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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Edward on February 10, 2010, 07:17:56 AM
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Hey! I've noticed that there are some Muzzies here in this forum...
WTF??!?!?
Even if they seem to be nice and peaceful, I can't entirely trust 'em.. yes, yes..... I know I sound like a real islamophope, but hey, they might be using their ''Taqqiya'' thing, right?
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If they're using taqiyah it can be spotted
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A year or so ago we had a 15 year old muslim who was confused. However she hasn't returned and might have slipped into the dark side. Most if not all other muzzies who came on the forum were trolls.
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A year or so ago we had a 15 year old muslim who was confused. However she hasn't returned and might have slipped into the dark side. Most if not all other muzzies who came on the forum were trolls.
No Sarah wasn't a troll she posted here for a long time.Due to certain events she is no able longer able to post here
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A year or so ago we had a 15 year old muslim who was confused. However she hasn't returned and might have slipped into the dark side. Most if not all other muzzies who came on the forum were trolls.
She was a few years ago, and she didn't use taqqiyah, she said exactly what she was.
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I think we should keep him a little bit longer. If anything, it's good for us to work on our debating skills, and it livens things up. Besides, I can always ban him if he starts excusing terrorism.
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neither do i trust them. But yes its good to have arguments with them and to see them lose it and make a complete clown of themself, is something which i like to see.
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If they're using taqiyah it can be spotted
Explain taqiyah.
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If they're using taqiyah it can be spotted
Explain taqiyah.
In the many religions lying is a sin but in Islam its a very laudable thing to do
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Actually, the Taqqiya was, according to the Qur'an, Muhammad taught his people that they shouldn't lie to one another, but when they face the infidels, they might lie and swindle, in order to get what they need from them.
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If they're using taqiyah it can be spotted
Explain taqiyah.
muslims generally use taqqiya to conceal their faith when living in the land of kaffirs, therby deceving them.
also taqqiya means cushion in Hindi ;D
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Well they need to crawl back into the worm hole they came out of!! >:(
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If they're using taqiyah it can be spotted
Explain taqiyah.
muslims generally use taqqiya to conceal their faith when living in the land of kaffirs, therby deceving them.
also taqqiya means cushion in Hindi ;D
Yes i think the Shi'a started it so they could lie to the sunni after they lost the fight over ali
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ANYTHING which furthers Islam is permitted, and taqiyya [lying for Islam] is a practice used by all Islamic schools of jurisprudence. It was invented by the Shia; it is not universally used [everyone has already seen this many times; it has a name: Taqiyya].
Kitman is another form of Islamic lying.
Dirty.Deceitful.Dogs.
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I think its good to allow opposing views to be members here for discussion. As long as they follow the rules of the forum why not? I understand people have trust issues, but why is trust even an issue? If someone comes on here, says right off the bat that they are a Muslim, but act civil and seek discussion or debate that is civil, then what's the problem?
Not like you have to give them your SS # and Mothers Maiden name...
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If there are any Muslims here I hope that they leave soon
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If there are any Muslims here I hope that they leave soon
A little peck from me Ruby, you are so right. Animals belong in the zoo and not on our beloved forum.
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I have come to find out though, that people who are your enemies and are just coming here to PRETEND to be peaceful, will take the opportunity to TURN on you, BETRAY you, and then try to HURT you at the next chance they can get.
Why are you minimizing it?
People here talk about their personal lives.....so if the enemy is allowed here, how is that good for us?
I think its good to allow opposing views to be members here for discussion. As long as they follow the rules of the forum why not? I understand people have trust issues, but why is trust even an issue? If someone comes on here, says right off the bat that they are a Muslim, but act civil and seek discussion or debate that is civil, then what's the problem?
Not like you have to give them your SS # and Mothers Maiden name...
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I had no idea my being here would be such a big issue for you guys. I am a believer and have faith in God and know that i would be answerable for all my deeds here in this world. For what I have learned from Quran " the killing of of a human being is as killing of humanity " .
I have for the first time in my life have been able to feel what minorities would be going though in their regular life and that would be the 2nd good thing I would be taking from here other than Lisa and Mord's help on understanding your religion.
I feel bad making you feel myself as a threat. I want to stay but your arguments I am sure are not base less. I think you guys should vote and decide. After reading your comments even I wont be comfortable in staying thinking that my existence could be such a huge threat to any other human being. Please decide and let me know the time till you guys can come up with a consensus. I dont want to be thought as any sort of intrusion by the majority. I will leave.
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Belief in which God?
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Belief in which G-d?
Arent Jewish monotheist?
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Chughtai:
Well arguments and flamewar are unproductive, are they not?
I have for the first time in my life have been able to feel what minorities would be going though in their regular life and that would be the 2nd good thing I would be taking from here other than Lisa and Mord's help on understanding your religion.
Yes, of course it is very tough to be a minority.
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I had no idea my being here would be such a big issue for you guys. I am a believer and have faith in G-d and know that i would be answerable for all my deeds here in this world. For what I have learned from Quran " the killing of of a human being is as killing of humanity " .
I have for the first time in my life have been able to feel what minorities would be going though in their regular life and that would be the 2nd good thing I would be taking from here other than Lisa and Mord's help on understanding your religion.
I feel bad making you feel myself as a threat. I want to stay but your arguments I am sure are not base less. I think you guys should vote and decide. After reading your comments even I wont be comfortable in staying thinking that my existence could be such a huge threat to any other human being. Please decide and let me know the time till you guys can come up with a consensus. I dont want to be thought as any sort of intrusion by the majority. I will leave.
Your religion stole everything from Judaism... The line "Taking one life is like taking the life of a whole world" is verbatim from the Jewish Talmud.... Your religion has stolen our heritage and will be held accountable on the day of Judgment.
Islam is a wicked cult and will be destroyed when Moshiach arrives...
Blessed is Hashem who redeems his people Israel, with love...
http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/192,2230417/From-where-does-the-saying-Save-a-life-save-a-whole-world-originate.html
Question:
Where does the saying, "save a life, save a whole world" come from? I'm not even sure it's Jewish. Thanks, Milty N.
Answer:
The Talmud asks why the human race was created as a single human being, as opposed to creating many people at once (like the animals which were created en masse1 )?
This teaches us that just as Adam was created in the beginning, and he was the entire human population of the world, likewise we need to look at each individual as if he/she were the entire population of the world. Therefore, when you save one life it is as if you saved the entire world.
Talmud, Sanhedrin 37a states:
"FOR THIS REASON WAS MAN CREATED ALONE, TO TEACH THEE THAT WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL... SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL..., SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD."
you know the holy Talmud was written almost 700 years before the pervert mohammud. piss be on him, was even born. Islam is guilty of theft, and will be punished for its sins against the Children of Israel.
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I asked YOU a direct question...who is your God?????
Belief in which G-d?
Arent Jewish monotheist?
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I worship Allah the creator of all the universe. I dont understand the question. God is the God.
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You worship a FALSe God.
The one true God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
I just wanted to be clear.
I worship Allah the creator of all the universe. I dont understand the question. G-d is the G-d.
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I worship Allah the creator of all the universe. I dont understand the question. G-d is the G-d.
Prove it!
When Hashem made himself known at the revelation at Sinai he introduced himself to the Jewish people as "The one who brought you up out of Egypt" and not "I created the Universe"... Our Rabbis and sages have taught that the reason Hashem said "I took you up out of Egypt" was because over 3 million Jews witnessed the Exodus, and all the nations also heard and saw about it... So when the question is asked why didn't he say "I created the earth and the stars and the universe" the answer would be because nobody was around to witness that event....
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I asked YOU a direct question...who is your G-d?????
Belief in which G-d?
Arent Jewish monotheist?
Obviously, they believe that God commands them to spread their obvious lies as well as they believe that God commands them to enslave and murder every non-member of their group.
I heard this ideas before I gained knowledge about Islam. But not from their mouths, but from the mouths of thousands of screaming people who applauded and cheered someone other ...
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I worship Allah the creator of all the universe. I dont understand the question. G-d is the G-d.
Then you really are a Muslim and you don't belong on this forum. There is only God and his name is not Allah.
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Ya I understand that, but how can they hurt us? Keep in mind also that this forum is public anyways, so if you are talking about your personal life they see it regardless of whether or not they actually register and comment.
I have come to find out though, that people who are your enemies and are just coming here to PRETEND to be peaceful, will take the opportunity to TURN on you, BETRAY you, and then try to HURT you at the next chance they can get.
Why are you minimizing it?
People here talk about their personal lives.....so if the enemy is allowed here, how is that good for us?
I think its good to allow opposing views to be members here for discussion. As long as they follow the rules of the forum why not? I understand people have trust issues, but why is trust even an issue? If someone comes on here, says right off the bat that they are a Muslim, but act civil and seek discussion or debate that is civil, then what's the problem?
Not like you have to give them your SS # and Mothers Maiden name...
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I am talking about name calling, etc.
Ya I understand that, but how can they hurt us? Keep in mind also that this forum is public anyways, so if you are talking about your personal life they see it regardless of whether or not they actually register and comment.
I have come to find out though, that people who are your enemies and are just coming here to PRETEND to be peaceful, will take the opportunity to TURN on you, BETRAY you, and then try to HURT you at the next chance they can get.
Why are you minimizing it?
People here talk about their personal lives.....so if the enemy is allowed here, how is that good for us?
I think its good to allow opposing views to be members here for discussion. As long as they follow the rules of the forum why not? I understand people have trust issues, but why is trust even an issue? If someone comes on here, says right off the bat that they are a Muslim, but act civil and seek discussion or debate that is civil, then what's the problem?
Not like you have to give them your SS # and Mothers Maiden name...
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Name calling as in flaming or making personal attacks? If anyone is doing that then of course they should be banned, if the forum rules forbid it.
I thought you meant their presence would be a threat in terms of personal safety or issues of 'outing' and such.
I am talking about name calling, etc.
Ya I understand that, but how can they hurt us? Keep in mind also that this forum is public anyways, so if you are talking about your personal life they see it regardless of whether or not they actually register and comment.
I have come to find out though, that people who are your enemies and are just coming here to PRETEND to be peaceful, will take the opportunity to TURN on you, BETRAY you, and then try to HURT you at the next chance they can get.
Why are you minimizing it?
People here talk about their personal lives.....so if the enemy is allowed here, how is that good for us?
I think its good to allow opposing views to be members here for discussion. As long as they follow the rules of the forum why not? I understand people have trust issues, but why is trust even an issue? If someone comes on here, says right off the bat that they are a Muslim, but act civil and seek discussion or debate that is civil, then what's the problem?
Not like you have to give them your SS # and Mothers Maiden name...
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Chughtai, I hope you convert away from Islam soon. Islam is toxic and deciding to deliberately associate yourself with such evil will rightfully cause hatred to be put in your direction. No matter how nice of a guy you might be on a personal level, if you give donations (Zakat) to poor Muslims, then how do you know they won't use it for nefarious purposes? Many Muslim "charities" have been exposed as being sources of funding for terrorism.
You also choose to believe in a religion that includes the following:
1. That a man Mohammed is a prophet who raped a little girl, Aisha
2. That it's ok to deny sexual relations with your wife and then to beat her if she's not being obedient
3. That criminals can be horribly dismembered for minor crimes such as petty thievery
4. That you must go on Hajj during your lifetime, funneling money into the evil and corrupt Saudi government.
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Chughtai, I hope you convert away from Islam soon. Islam is toxic and deciding to deliberately associate yourself with such evil will rightfully cause hatred to be put in your direction. No matter how nice of a guy you might be on a personal level, if you give donations (Zakat) to poor Muslims, then how do you know they won't use it for nefarious purposes? Many Muslim "charities" have been exposed as being sources of funding for terrorism.
You also choose to believe in a religion that includes the following:
1. That a man Mohammed is a prophet who raped a little girl, Aisha
2. That it's ok to deny sexual relations with your wife and then to beat her if she's not being obedient
3. That criminals can be horribly dismembered for minor crimes such as petty thievery
4. That you must go on Hajj during your lifetime, funneling money into the evil and corrupt Saudi government.
I hope Chughtai wakes up and finally sees the light that Islam is a religion of darkness and evil. Not only that, I also want every Muslim on Earth to realize that Islam is an evil religion that is bent on world domination!
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WE must always be careful in dealing with people online. You would not believe the things people have said to me in emails and IMs.
Name calling as in flaming or making personal attacks? If anyone is doing that then of course they should be banned, if the forum rules forbid it.
I thought you meant their presence would be a threat in terms of personal safety or issues of 'outing' and such.
I am talking about name calling, etc.
Ya I understand that, but how can they hurt us? Keep in mind also that this forum is public anyways, so if you are talking about your personal life they see it regardless of whether or not they actually register and comment.
I have come to find out though, that people who are your enemies and are just coming here to PRETEND to be peaceful, will take the opportunity to TURN on you, BETRAY you, and then try to HURT you at the next chance they can get.
Why are you minimizing it?
People here talk about their personal lives.....so if the enemy is allowed here, how is that good for us?
I think its good to allow opposing views to be members here for discussion. As long as they follow the rules of the forum why not? I understand people have trust issues, but why is trust even an issue? If someone comes on here, says right off the bat that they are a Muslim, but act civil and seek discussion or debate that is civil, then what's the problem?
Not like you have to give them your SS # and Mothers Maiden name...
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In the bottom line, if that Paki-boy is a Muslim (and indeed he is) then he has nothing to do here!!!!! This is the Jewish Task Force! God damn it?!? What's the matter with you people!? Get him out of here! As I said, if he wants to join some organization, he can go to; Al Qaida, Taliban, Hizballah etc..... The JTF is only for Jews&Righteous Gentiles!! Righteous!! a person who believes in that cursed, hateful book Quran, can't be 'righteous'!
Be gone!!!!!!
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In the bottom line, if that Paki-boy is a Muslim (and indeed he is) then he has nothing to do here!!!!! This is the Jewish Task Force! G-d damn it?!? What's the matter with you people!? Get him out of here! As I said, if he wants to join some organization, he can go to; Al Qaida, Taliban, Hizballah etc..... The JTF is only for Jews&Righteous Gentiles!! Righteous!! a person who believes in that cursed, hateful book Quran, can't be 'righteous'!
Be gone!!!!!!
Exactly. You can not be righteous if you believe in a pedophile like Muhammed and if you believe in that hideous book, the Quran you are certainly not righteous. It is a book of hate and lies. Therefore, it must be destroyed.
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I want to be here and its not that I need to be here. I had no clue this world, God , internet forum and all the things you have been saying were occupied so dearly as to sharing would become such a huge issue. I thought a group of muslim was upto no good and they have been fed by some evil thought that only their God owns this world and they had the right to consider every entity of this world as their own. I was here to figure out the differences and now I am realizing you are all the same. You hold your thought and pride so dear that another person's dignity means nothing to you. What I am thinking is for internet, I wonder what you might have done to me had I been there in person.
Also tells me why the poor shiyas resorted to takiya listening to the thoughts of Christians, Jews and Hindu here. You say democracy is good I wonder if out of this world the muslims having so much hatred for you and number aroun 1.5 bilion democratically decide against Jewish or any other minority for that matter of fact what would happen then. When you are not allowing free unbiased thought to flow among cultures here.
I see couple of you people telling me to go join any terrorist organization out of just to have what pleasure I cant even imagine. What many of you doing is the same I came here for, after hearing it against you guys. Why would do you think I listen to you. I have notice that its not the opinion of majority that satisfies my soul its always the purity of the concepts. After going through the Noahides I was starting to believe the purity of the religion when out of no where you guys started cursing Muhammad PBUH and Quran for no obvious reason.
You know its only the purity of the character of one of you Albert Einstein that allowed me to make space in my mind in knowing Judism other than what I read of it. He did something not for one group or nation or for his self but for entire humanity. For me and many others he is a very good human being before being a good or a bad Jew. The positivity of his character dragged me here.
I could read all about your thoughts and belief but it was the thought of Human Being accepting that philosophy that I am intrigued about. What are they thinking about it and what good that philosophy is bringing to them. I am truly disappointed about how I was treated and what I witnessed here.
Just a couple of you could talk to me as human to human. I never asked you to compare your religion with anything or my religion, that aside you guys started comparing GOD. Your God created me even if considering that I am lost, I wonder if you God wants me to treat the way you are treating me!
One particular thing that I want to comment on, someone from here asked if I could tell him someway to deal with the muslims of palestine. Well for me worship is seeking guidance for the right path and help of God. You should start worshiping.
I would also like to comment on Justice mentioned in Noahides. Justice starts with your own self from within one, is it justice that you cursed my belief my philosophy my thoughts and was it justice that you say your God as if you own your God. Is it just to try to explain the God where as for me a robot can never explain its creator. I dont know what you guys are thinking before commenting most that you did using the profanity that you did that with. Was all that needed ? How do you justify within you the feelings that you have given to me. Did I do something to deserve that ?
I tried my best to be open minded and acceptable but I think I still lack the strength to bear all this hatred for things I have absolutely no connection with that happened in the past or happening presently. Yes I pay zakat to those who need it and its rightly said that " charity begins at home" and so its mentioned in the Quran that first one should look if there is someone in the family other than immediate family and then their relatives and then people close to you and working for you. If you find no one in need of help then it should be paid to bait ul mal, banking system of islam no longer available who would pay that to widows, orphans , homeless and needy. I belong to a developing country and people here find alot of needy in the family before they can throw their zakat to those these very people want to stop the chaos being created. Those people were paid in dollar once and huge amounts by USA for many years and they have forgotten the values of decent living and hard labor and still want that sort of money through power of their guns.
Sometimes I see those people on TV, holding guns. Even other than them armies holding guns and fire arms. I can see in their expressions the satisfaction they are having with the show of power of a human predictor, the satisfaction that they can prey on human beings. Even animals like loins and sharks hunt when they are in need of food and never to show of their strength they kill an animal. What developments are you guys talking about. 60% development that I see is in the technology and art of taking lives.
I have decided that I should no longer be a member to this forum, I am feeling disappointed for the last 2 days as well as an intrusion after reading most of the above. I want to thank those who tried to help God bless you and those who welcomed me in anyway. For those who are really angry I still dont think bad of you guys and just want to say that before everything we are all sons and daughters of Adam and Noah and even above it is that we are human beings with souls. If someone wants to communicate with you as a human being please listen to what they are trying to say.
I wont forget the arguments of HinduZionist, I admit that a part of Jane Mandir was damaged in 1992 in the fury that erupted in retaliation to the destruction of Baburi Mosque in india, and khiljis are not mughals and even I am not the blood thirsty mongol any more, even you are not those hindus any more who use to burn alive the wives of the deceased along with the corpses of their husbands. We are not living in the history any more and not repeating the mistakes of our elders. The point of claiming royalty pun as you are doing so much to get decent rights to Zionist perhaps you could have done something for me ). No hard feelings intended friend.
If someone could help me in my quest further do feel free to contact me [email protected].
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Muhammad PBUH
Mohammed doesn't deserve peace. He's burning and screaming in torment in HELL because that's where he deserves to be. I'm sure if Mohammed could speak to you, he'd tell you to stay away from Islam so you don't end up in the horrible place that he is in.
and Quran for no obvious reason.
A book of pure evil.
Burn it like Mohammed is burning.
Just a couple of you could talk to me as human to human. I never asked you to compare your religion with anything or my religion, that aside you guys started comparing G-d. Your G-d created me even if considering that I am lost, I wonder if you G-d wants me to treat the way you are treating me!
The kindest thing we can do is to tell you the truth about Islam. If you are really a good man you will reject it.
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This is the TRUTH...YES!!!
We are telling you the TRUTH!!!!
Muhammad PBUH
Mohammed doesn't deserve peace. He's burning and screaming in torment in HELL because that's where he deserves to be. I'm sure if Mohammed could speak to you, he'd tell you to stay away from Islam so you don't end up in the horrible place that he is in.
and Quran for no obvious reason.
A book of pure evil.
Burn it like Mohammed is burning.
Just a couple of you could talk to me as human to human. I never asked you to compare your religion with anything or my religion, that aside you guys started comparing G-d. Your G-d created me even if considering that I am lost, I wonder if you G-d wants me to treat the way you are treating me!
The kindest thing we can do is to tell you the truth about Islam. If you are really a good man you will reject it.
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Chughtai,
I am trying to understand where you are coming from. I do believe that all mankind is made in Hashems image, and as a result their life is worth caring for. I do not go around hating anyone based on how they look, what they believe, etc. I only reserve undying hatred for mine own enemies and the enemies of my people. I will give any person the benefit of the doubt and will be forgiving as is commanded of me by my creator. A Jew is commanded to walk in the ways of Hashem which our sages explain to mean that we are to emulate the kindness and the mercy of the L-rd G-d of Israel.
It bothers me when I use harsh words against someone because I worry maybe that person is a truly righteous individual who doesn't know better and was brought up in a house where the evil religion of Islam is taught. There is hope for those people who are raised by parents who only teach hatred to their children.... The Children have free will and must choose, when they are old enough, whether to follow the evil path of their parents, or to drop all their false beliefs and turn to G-d for help.
If you are truly looking for truth and you invest the time and energy into reading the Scriptures and comparing them to the corrupted Koran you will realize that you are following a false path. The Torah is true, it is the tree of life for those who cling to it. The Koran is a corruption of the ways of G-d, preaching death and destruction and wickedness to its followers.
Please consider what you are trying to attain in life. If you seek life and goodness then you must turn away from Islam...
Shemot 20
2. "I am the Lord, your G-d, Who took you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3. You shall not have the gods of others in My presence.
4. You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness which is in the heavens above, which is on the earth below, or which is in the water beneath the earth.
5. You shall neither prostrate yourself before them nor worship them, for I, the Lord, your G-d, am a zealous G-d, Who visits the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons, upon the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me,
6. and (I) perform loving kindness to thousands [of generations], to those who love Me and to those who keep My commandments.
7. You shall not take the name of the Lord, your G-d, in vain, for the Lord will not hold blameless anyone who takes His name in vain.
8. Remember the Sabbath day to sanctify it.
9. Six days may you work and perform all your labor,
10. but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord, your G-d; you shall perform no labor, neither you, your son, your daughter, your manservant, your maidservant, your beast, nor your stranger who is in your cities.
11. For [in] six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day. Therefore, the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it.
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Chughtai,
I am trying to understand where you are coming from. I do believe that all mankind is made in Hashems image, and as a result their life is worth caring for. I do not go around hating anyone based on how they look, what they believe, etc. I only reserve undying hatred for mine own enemies and the enemies of my people. I will give any person the benefit of the doubt and will be forgiving as is commanded of me by my creator. A Jew is commanded to walk in the ways of Hashem which our sages explain to mean that we are to emulate the kindness and the mercy of the L-rd G-d of Israel.
It bothers me when I use harsh words against someone because I worry maybe that person is a truly righteous individual who doesn't know better and was brought up in a house where the evil religion of Islam is taught. There is hope for those people who are raised by parents who only teach hatred to their children.... The Children have free will and must choose, when they are old enough, whether to follow the evil path of their parents, or to drop all their false beliefs and turn to G-d for help.
If you are truly looking for truth and you invest the time and energy into reading the Scriptures and comparing them to the corrupted Koran you will realize that you are following a false path. The Torah is true, it is the tree of life for those who cling to it. The Koran is a corruption of the ways of G-d, preaching death and destruction and wickedness to its followers.
Please consider what you are trying to attain in life. If you seek life and goodness then you must turn away from Islam...
Shemot 20
2. "I am the Lord, your G-d, Who took you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3. You shall not have the gods of others in My presence.
4. You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness which is in the heavens above, which is on the earth below, or which is in the water beneath the earth.
5. You shall neither prostrate yourself before them nor worship them, for I, the Lord, your G-d, am a zealous G-d, Who visits the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons, upon the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me,
6. and perform loving kindness to thousands [of generations], to those who love Me and to those who keep My commandments.
7. You shall not take the name of the Lord, your G-d, in vain, for the Lord will not hold blameless anyone who takes His name in vain.
8. Remember the Sabbath day to sanctify it.
9. Six days may you work and perform all your labor,
10. but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord, your G-d; you shall perform no labor, neither you, your son, your daughter, your manservant, your maidservant, your beast, nor your stranger who is in your cities.
11. For [in] six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day. Therefore, the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it.
Where is Chughtai from? Pakistan?
Can he even get a copy of the Torah in his native language over there?
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I don't mind if there are Muslims here as long as they don't insult anyone and troll (i.e. break the rules). I don't think it's a bad thing to have members who disagree with JTF as long as they present their views in a respectful manner. If we do have members like that then no one can say that JTF is discrimanatory, racist or that we don't allow people who have different views.
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I was his worst enemy... but I don't have anything agains Muslim individuals... I just despise their religion. I truly hope that they all convert to Christianity or Judaism or whatsoever..... Just let them leave this madness called Islam.
I truly have nothing against Arabs, Iranians, Pakistanis, Afghanis, Turks, Indonesians, Malesians etc..... I care about them, and I pray that the good Lord have mercy on them, and show them the path to the truth, to the holy Bible...... The Quran fills their hearts will venom, its evil verses are poisoning their minds......
Please Lord, erase that evil book from the world!
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I worship Allah the creator of all the universe. I dont understand the question. G-d is the G-d.
Then you really are a Muslim and you don't belong on this forum. There is only G-d and his name is not Allah.
A-llah is the short form of the Arabic "al-Il-lah" (the G-d). Il-ah is closely related to the Hebrew E-l and Elokim. Both in Hebrew and Arabic, the term is often used also to refer to false gods. Just consider the expression "elokim acheirim" in the Torah. So Arabs use the term Al Il-lah shortened to A-llah to mean the (One) G-d.
Al-lah is not the Hebrew name of G-d, but neither is the English Name.
Believing in Al-ah is techmnically not idolatry. However, as G-d is spiritual and we cannot see or understand Him, except through His Creation, His miracles and His Commandements, anyone who claims to believe in Him but believes he commands to kill or do any other misdeeds is in fact worshipping a false mental concept of Him and not Him. But this could happen happen to any misleaded person, regardless of the language in which he calls Him or his religiuos background.
BTW, polytheists. agnostics and secualrists are admitted in this forum. I dont see why we should reject someone who believes in G-d calling him Al-lah.
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Amen...
I was his worst enemy... but I don't have anything agains Muslim individuals... I just despise their religion. I truly hope that they all convert to Christianity or Judaism or whatsoever..... Just let them leave this madness called Islam.
I truly have nothing against Arabs, Iranians, Pakistanis, Afghanis, Turks, Indonesians, Malesians etc..... I care about them, and I pray that the good Lord have mercy on them, and show them the path to the truth, to the holy Bible...... The Quran fills their hearts will venom, its evil verses are poisoning their minds......
Please Lord, erase that evil book from the world!
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I was his worst enemy... but I don't have anything agains Muslim individuals... I just despise their religion. I truly hope that they all convert to Christianity or Judaism or whatsoever..... Just let them leave this madness called Islam.
I truly have nothing against Arabs, Iranians, Pakistanis, Afghanis, Turks, Indonesians, Malesians etc..... I care about them, and I pray that the good Lord have mercy on them, and show them the path to the truth, to the holy Bible...... The Quran fills their hearts will venom, its evil verses are poisoning their minds......
Please Lord, erase that evil book from the world!
You must NOT wish or encourage any Gentile's conversion to Judaism. Judaism is for those who truly want to serve Hashe-m in the Jewish way and request guerus at their own initiative. A Gentile who believes in the Torah and wants to serve G-d as stated in the Hallacha should practise Noachidism. ( the Code of Seven Laws G-d gave to Noah after the Flood). Convertion to Judaism is not requiered and not encouraged.
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I was his worst enemy... but I don't have anything agains Muslim individuals... I just despise their religion. I truly hope that they all convert to Christianity or Judaism or whatsoever..... Just let them leave this madness called Islam.
I truly have nothing against Arabs, Iranians, Pakistanis, Afghanis, Turks, Indonesians, Malesians etc..... I care about them, and I pray that the good Lord have mercy on them, and show them the path to the truth, to the holy Bible...... The Quran fills their hearts will venom, its evil verses are poisoning their minds......
Please Lord, erase that evil book from the world!
You must NOT wish or encourage any Gentile's conversion to Judaism. Judaism is for those who truly want to serve Hashem in the Jewish way and request guerus at their own initiative. A Gentile who believes in the Torah and wants to serve G-d as stated in the Hallacha should practise Noachidism. ( the Code of Seven Laws G-d gave to Noah after the Flood). Convertion to Judaism is not requiered and not encouraged.
I don't think that there is anything wrong with wishing that everyone convert to Judaism.... As a matter of fact we believe that just before Moshiach comes that a great number of non-jews will want to convert to Judaism. There will come a time when the whole world will know that Hashem is the ONE TRUE G-D. On that day he will be one, and his name will be one...
http://www.aish.com/tp/i/moha/48910232.html
http://www.moshiach.com/scholars/essays/the-business-end-of-exile.php
The Glitter in the Gold
The Talmud states that "The people of Israel were exiled amongst the nations only so that converts may be added to them."
On the most basic level, this is a reference to the many non-Jews who, in the course of the centuries of our dispersion, have come in contact with the Jewish people and have been inspired to convert to Judaism. But Chassidic teaching explains that the Talmud is also referring to "souls" of a different sort that are transformed and elevated in the course of our exiles: the "sparks of holiness" contained within the physical creation.
Every object, force and phenomenon in existence has a spark of G-dliness within it: a spark that embodies G-d's desire that it exist and its function within His overall purpose for creation; a pinpoint of divinity that constitutes its "soul" - its spiritual content and design. When man utilizes something to serve his Creator, he penetrates its shell of mundanity, revealing and realizing its divine essence. It is to this end that we have been scattered across six continents: so that we may come in contact with the sparks of holiness that await redemption in every corner of the globe.
Every soul has its own "sparks," which actually form an integral part of itself - no soul is complete until it has redeemed those sparks related to its being. Thus a person moves through life, impelled from place to place and from occupation to occupation by seemingly random forces; but everything is by divine providence, which guides every man to those possessions and opportunities whose essence is intimately connected with his.
(These consist of two general types, alluded to in the verse, "Every woman shall ask from her neighbor, and from her that dwells in her house, vessels of gold and vessels of silver."
Every soul has permanent "dwellers in her house" - constant, routine involvements, dictated by its natural talents and inclinations. It also has "neighbors" or casual acquaintances - the "chance encounters" of life, in which it comes in fleeting contact with something, unintentionally, or even unwillingly. Both of these, however, must be exploited as a source of "gold" and "silver."
The very fact that a certain resource or opportunity has presented itself to a person indicates that it constitutes part of his mission in life; that it is the purpose of his galut or subjugation to that particular corner of the material world. It is he, and he alone, who can redeem the spark it contains by utilizing it toward a G-dly end.)
Thus the Torah relates (Rashi, Genesis 32:25) how Jacob risked his life to retrieve some "small jugs" he had left behind after crossing the Yabbok River upon his return to the Holy Land. "The righteous," remarks the Talmud (Chulin 91a), "value their possessions more than their bodies." For they recognize the divine potential in every bit of matter, and see in each of their possessions a component of their own spiritual integrity.
We do not actively urge people to convert because as you said being Jewish requires a great deal of responsibility and we don't want to create souls which will violate the Torah.... But i dont think that there is something wrong with wishing that the nations would see the light and convert..
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A Gentile must keep the Noahide Laws. That 's seeing the light. Some may also want to take up more responsibilities and seek a valid conversion. But Judaism cannot be used just to fill the gap in those who convert away from Islam.
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Look, I'm not a religeous person, and as a Jew, I think that it will be very good if they convert to our religion, but if it raises problems with you religious Jews than O.K....
I don't encourage them to go to Judaism specifically, they convert to Christianity, Buddhaism, Hinduism, Shinto or even convert to Paganism...
All the mentioned above religions are much better than Islam.
This is my personal opinion.
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I know some very good righteous converts and the ones I know are very sincere and Torah observant. I have spent Shabbat with some of these converts and they keep kosher and some have even had circumcisions in their adulthood. To me this indicates a commitment to the Jewish people.
We learn from the Torah that we are to love the convert. As I have said before I do not suggest that Jews evangelize non-Jews to convert to our sacred beliefs. But if a non-Jew has the spark of a Jewish neshamah, and the Torah commandments are seen like precious stones to them, I am completely supportive of their desire to convert.
I may have a bit of a liberal position concerning this. But I have my sources in Torah for feeling like this.
http://www.jewishmag.com/40mag/shamai/shamai.htm
The stories of Hillel and Shammai told in the Talmud do seem to justify this unhappy reputation: "The gentile came before Shammai and requested, 'Convert me on condition that you teach me the entire Torah while I stand on one foot.' He [Shammai] pushed him out with the ruler in his hand. He then came before Hillel, who converted him. Hillel addressed to him the immortal words, 'That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the entire Torah; the rest is commentary. Go and learn.'" Afterwards, the successful convert declared in the presence of Hillel and Shammai that it was Hillel who had been his salvation.
http://www.aish.com/tp/i/oai/48964556.html
Ekev(Deuteronomy 7:12-11:25)
Loving the Convert
"...[G-d] loves the stranger, giving him food and clothing. You must also show love toward the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt." (Deut. 10:18-19)
The Torah informs us of G-d's great love for the ger (convert). Since we are required to emulate G-d, it follows that we must also love the convert. Why, then, is it necessary to add, "for you were gerim in Egypt?"
Maimonides (Responsa No. 369) points out that the Torah commands us to respect and honor our parents and obey a prophet, but it does not command us to love them. Yet we are commanded to love the convert just as we are commanded to love G-d. To understand this we must understand the Torah concept of love.
The numerical value of "love" is the same as "one." Love is the product of unity between individuals, a recognition of a commonality and affinity. In our relationship to G-d this commonality is intrinsic, since we are created in G-d's image. Likewise, we share common responsibilities and goals with our fellow Jew. He is our peer in Torah and mitzvot. Parents and spouses, however, aside from the intrinsic commonality they share as Jews, may have nothing else in common.
Of course we must work to develop and nurture an affinity and commonality in the latter relationships. Love of a parent is an enhancement of honor; love of a spouse is a rabbinical directive (Maimonides, Ishus 15:19). And most certainly it is an ideal to love and honor the righteous. However, the Torah did not command us to create an affinity where it does not exist intrinsically. Rather, where such an affinity exists naturally, the Torah commands us to develop it.
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I am just wondering if there are any non converts that you love?
I know some very good righteous converts and the ones I know are very sincere and Torah observant. I have spent Shabbat with some of these converts and they keep kosher and some have even had circumcisions in their adulthood. To me this indicates a commitment to the Jewish people.
We learn from the Torah that we are to love the convert. As I have said before I do not suggest that Jews evangelize non-Jews to convert to our sacred beliefs. But if a non-Jew has the spark of a Jewish neshamah, and the Torah commandments are seen like precious stones to them, I am completely supportive of their desire to convert.
I may have a bit of a liberal position concerning this. But I have my sources in Torah for feeling like this.
http://www.jewishmag.com/40mag/shamai/shamai.htm
The stories of Hillel and Shammai told in the Talmud do seem to justify this unhappy reputation: "The gentile came before Shammai and requested, 'Convert me on condition that you teach me the entire Torah while I stand on one foot.' He [Shammai] pushed him out with the ruler in his hand. He then came before Hillel, who converted him. Hillel addressed to him the immortal words, 'That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the entire Torah; the rest is commentary. Go and learn.'" Afterwards, the successful convert declared in the presence of Hillel and Shammai that it was Hillel who had been his salvation.
http://www.aish.com/tp/i/oai/48964556.html
Ekev(Deuteronomy 7:12-11:25)
Loving the Convert
"...[G-d] loves the stranger, giving him food and clothing. You must also show love toward the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt." (Deut. 10:18-19)
The Torah informs us of G-d's great love for the ger (convert). Since we are required to emulate G-d, it follows that we must also love the convert. Why, then, is it necessary to add, "for you were gerim in Egypt?"
Maimonides (Responsa No. 369) points out that the Torah commands us to respect and honor our parents and obey a prophet, but it does not command us to love them. Yet we are commanded to love the convert just as we are commanded to love G-d. To understand this we must understand the Torah concept of love.
The numerical value of "love" is the same as "one." Love is the product of unity between individuals, a recognition of a commonality and affinity. In our relationship to G-d this commonality is intrinsic, since we are created in G-d's image. Likewise, we share common responsibilities and goals with our fellow Jew. He is our peer in Torah and mitzvot. Parents and spouses, however, aside from the intrinsic commonality they share as Jews, may have nothing else in common.
Of course we must work to develop and nurture an affinity and commonality in the latter relationships. Love of a parent is an enhancement of honor; love of a spouse is a rabbinical directive (Maimonides, Ishus 15:19). And most certainly it is an ideal to love and honor the righteous. However, the Torah did not command us to create an affinity where it does not exist intrinsically. Rather, where such an affinity exists naturally, the Torah commands us to develop it.
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I am just wondering if there are any non converts that you love?
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I understand many different levels of Love... I love all of humanity in a way. I love all of creation in a way. I see the world, I believe, as the Talmud tells us that Hashem wanted us to see it... That the entire world was created for me. I know that this sounds like a selfish outlook, and it can indeed be a selfish outlook on life. But the Jew is also supposed to emulate Hashems mercy and kindness. I have been blessed to have the opportunity to touch and influence people around me. I give what I can, help those in need with money and a place to live. And I love my animals, feed them before I eat. I say blessings on almost everything I can {though I really think I can say more}.
I love all the good JTFers here. I have no problem saying that to the women and the men alike. I am talking about the love of a community, the kind of love which I would miss if any one of you should no longer come to JTF. I hope to be around here for a long time, at least till Moshiach comes and Israel is restored to her former glory, with JTFers and Chaim having a special place in the world to come.
I hope that you understand what I am saying...
http://www.shemayisrael.com/Parasha/kahn/archives/chayei69.htm
Summary
Abraham went through a lot of effort to acquire the Cave of Machpeilah as a burial site for Sarah. The field and the Cave "rose" as they became the property of Abraham. "Every individual is obligated to say, 'The world was created for me." By creating man as an individual, G'd showed the importance of every single human being. The awareness of our importance is actually humbling and only helps us to make the right choices in life. A person should live with a constant awareness that every act one does may tip the scale and make a difference for the entire world. If a person uses this world as a means to serve G'd he will bring every part of Creation, that he is in touch with, to its purpose as it serves and assists G'd's servant to reach his potential and purpose. We all have our individual, unique purpose in life, and it is up to us to utilize our possessions and assets and elevate them as did our Patriarch Abraham.
Whole world created for me
The Talmud (Sanhedrin 37a) discusses why the creation of the first human being was different than the creation of all other creatures. The male and female of every animal were created at that same time. However, Adam was created single, and lived for a little while as the only human being in the world, before Eve was created. Says the Talmud: "this is why Adam was created as an individual; to teach you that whoever destroys a single Jewish soul is considered destroying a complete world. And whoever saves a single Jewish soul is considered saving a complete world. [The Kabbalists explain that all Jewish souls were entailed in the soul of Adam.] … Therefore, every individual is obligated to say, 'The world was created for me.'"
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Yes, Muman, a sincere convert is 100% Jewish. But an ex-Muslim who feels empty cannot use Judaism to fill his emptiness. That would be a desecration!
Edward, a Muslim should never convert to Paganism because it's idolatry (forbidden by the Noahide Laws).
If someone is Muslim and finds mistakes or violence in Islam, his way is to be a faithfull Noachide. He may feel empty because Islam has many rites and the Noachides Laws involve no rites, except for some voluntary prayer. But a person must accept the truth and not live in a comfortable lie by converting to any religion to which he is not committed, just to enjoy celebrations for his own sake and not for G-od's sake.
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Yes, Muman, a sincere convert is 100% Jewish. But an ex-Muslim who feels empty cannot use Judaism to fill his emptiness. That would be a desecration!
Edward, a Muslim should never convert to Paganism because it's idolatry (forbidden by the Noahide Laws).
If someone is Muslim and finds mistakes or violence in Islam, his way is to be a faithfull Noachide. He may feel empty because Islam has many rites and the Noachides Laws involve no rites, except for some voluntary prayer. But a person must accept the truth and not live in a comfortable lie by converting to any religion to which he is not committed, just to enjoy celebrations for his own sake and not for G-od's sake.
Of course I would not recommend a Muslim convert... But there are stories of Muslims who find out that they were originally Jewish through their mothers and then I would say there may be hope that they can return to Judaism...
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Yes, I understand. I was just checking....
Thankyou....
I am just wondering if there are any non converts that you love?
<snip>
I understand many different levels of Love... I love all of humanity in a way. I love all of creation in a way. I see the world, I believe, as the Talmud tells us that Hashem wanted us to see it... That the entire world was created for me. I know that this sounds like a selfish outlook, and it can indeed be a selfish outlook on life. But the Jew is also supposed to emulate Hashems mercy and kindness. I have been blessed to have the opportunity to touch and influence people around me. I give what I can, help those in need with money and a place to live. And I love my animals, feed them before I eat. I say blessings on almost everything I can {though I really think I can say more}.
I love all the good JTFers here. I have no problem saying that to the women and the men alike. I am talking about the love of a community, the kind of love which I would miss if any one of you should no longer come to JTF. I hope to be around here for a long time, at least till Moshiach comes and Israel is restored to her former glory, with JTFers and Chaim having a special place in the world to come.
I hope that you understand what I am saying...
http://www.shemayisrael.com/Parasha/kahn/archives/chayei69.htm
Summary
Abraham went through a lot of effort to acquire the Cave of Machpeilah as a burial site for Sarah. The field and the Cave "rose" as they became the property of Abraham. "Every individual is obligated to say, 'The world was created for me." By creating man as an individual, G'd showed the importance of every single human being. The awareness of our importance is actually humbling and only helps us to make the right choices in life. A person should live with a constant awareness that every act one does may tip the scale and make a difference for the entire world. If a person uses this world as a means to serve G'd he will bring every part of Creation, that he is in touch with, to its purpose as it serves and assists G'd's servant to reach his potential and purpose. We all have our individual, unique purpose in life, and it is up to us to utilize our possessions and assets and elevate them as did our Patriarch Abraham.
Whole world created for me
The Talmud (Sanhedrin 37a) discusses why the creation of the first human being was different than the creation of all other creatures. The male and female of every animal were created at that same time. However, Adam was created single, and lived for a little while as the only human being in the world, before Eve was created. Says the Talmud: "this is why Adam was created as an individual; to teach you that whoever destroys a single Jewish soul is considered destroying a complete world. And whoever saves a single Jewish soul is considered saving a complete world. [The Kabbalists explain that all Jewish souls were entailed in the soul of Adam.] … Therefore, every individual is obligated to say, 'The world was created for me.'"
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I wont forget the arguments of HinduZionist, I admit that a part of Jane Mandir was damaged in 1992 in the fury that erupted in retaliation to the destruction of Baburi Mosque in india, and khiljis are not mughals and even I am not the blood thirsty mongol any more, even you are not those hindus any more who use to burn alive the wives of the deceased along with the corpses of their husbands. We are not living in the history any more and not repeating the mistakes of our elders. The point of claiming royalty pun as you are doing so much to get decent rights to Zionist perhaps you could have done something for me ). No hard feelings intended friend.
If someone could help me in my quest further do feel free to contact me [email protected].
1992 we destroyed a muslim mosque which was built by an invader on our Holiest shrine, and in retaliation you people destroyed a Jain(NOT Hindu,But Jain) temple. And the Jain Temple stood there before even Islam came to Sindh(Pak). Yet you seem to defend it by claiming it was done in retaliation. Man, you crack me up. ;D
ok Khiljis was a Turk and not Moghul, but he was Muslim anyway.. who followed the Quran. What about Moghul Muhammad Gazni who destoryed our Holy Temple of Somnath 18 TIMES?? You people till present day worship these people as Islamic heros of SOuth Asia(your earlier post revealed that you wish to claim royalties to the acts of Moghuls who ruled India for 800 yrs), yet you LIE by saying you people have moved on, Taqiyya at its best!!
Quote: "you are not those hindus any more who use to burn alive the wives of the deceased along with the corpses of their husbands" Yes its unfortunate we had to burn our women along with their deceased husbands, in the past" Which was only to protect the dignity of the women, who else would have been kidnapped by Muslim Kings and stored in Harem, and abused sexually by hungry muslim soldiers.
Even Sikhs did that watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WQtUYv1_-s) The Sikh father had to slaughter all his daughter, just so that they are saved from kidnapping of Muslims.
there may be certain things in Hindu scriptures like caste system,sati..etc which maybe unsuitable.. but understand that our books are philosphical, and not ordained or commandments for Hindus, we have thousands of philosphical scriptures, we can follow any one of them, and ignore others or We can easily discard any verse and move on, Can you edit parts of Quran and sell it?? Can you accept certain parts of quran are wrong and need to be revised? Absolutely Not. Which makes you rigid and wicked.
And i can see your jealously of seeing Hindus co-operating with Jews,Zionists and benefiting. This is just the beginning, a time will come when the whole world will corner Islam. You keep saying that Islam has 1.5 billion followers and so it is powerful,blah blah. Remember that many bigger and wealther civilizations have gone, like Greeks,Egyptions,Persians,Mongols who wanted to conquer continents, in the end each one of them imploded. Islam is only existing cause of Oil. Islamic countires who dont have oil resources have pathetic conditions (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia..etc).
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Oh wow HZ, I just watched the video....the Sikh was explaining what happened, in 1947. He was there. :'( :'( :'(
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And i can see your jealously of seeing Hindus co-operating with Jews,Zionists and benefiting. This is just the beginning, a time will come when the whole world will corner Islam. You keep saying that Islam has 1.5 billion followers and so it is powerful,blah blah. Remember that many bigger and wealther civilizations have gone, like Greeks,Egyptions,Persians,Mongols who wanted to conquer continents, in the end each one of them imploded. Islam is only existing cause of Oil. Islamic countires who dont have oil resources have pathetic conditions (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia..etc).
Great post HZ!
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Oh wow HZ, I just watched the video....the Sikh was explaining what happened, in 1947. He was there. :'( :'( :'(
what happened in 1947 was in relatively smaller scale. It regularly happened when the Moghul's ruled india for 600-800 yrs..... So much so that it started to become a custom, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JauharAnd i can see your jealously of seeing Hindus co-operating with Jews,Zionists and benefiting. This is just the beginning, a time will come when the whole world will corner Islam. You keep saying that Islam has 1.5 billion followers and so it is powerful,blah blah. Remember that many bigger and wealther civilizations have gone, like Greeks,Egyptions,Persians,Mongols who wanted to conquer continents, in the end each one of them imploded. Islam is only existing cause of Oil. Islamic countires who dont have oil resources have pathetic conditions (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia..etc).
Great post HZ!
thanks, i can go on and on, but it will cause nervous breakdown for this fagtai, who then might take out his frustration on a poor Jain in Pakistan ;D
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Islam is only existing cause of Oil. Islamic countries who don't have oil resources have pathetic conditions (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia..etc)
This is the absolute truth. As soon as we are off oil... Islam will atrophy.
Of course Islam may be beaten into a pulp before this happens.
Either way a world sans Islam is a good one. No more "Islamic thighing" [WTF! Mohamed/Khomeini were nuts].
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Oh wow HZ, I just watched the video....the Sikh was explaining what happened, in 1947. He was there. :'( :'( :'(
what happened in 1947 was in relatively smaller scale. It regularly happened when the Moghul's ruled india for 600-800 yrs..... So much so that it started to become a custom, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JauharAnd i can see your jealously of seeing Hindus co-operating with Jews,Zionists and benefiting. This is just the beginning, a time will come when the whole world will corner Islam. You keep saying that Islam has 1.5 billion followers and so it is powerful,blah blah. Remember that many bigger and wealther civilizations have gone, like Greeks,Egyptions,Persians,Mongols who wanted to conquer continents, in the end each one of them imploded. Islam is only existing cause of Oil. Islamic countires who dont have oil resources have pathetic conditions (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia..etc).
Great post HZ!
thanks, i can go on and on, but it will cause nervous breakdown for this fagtai, who then might take out his frustration on a poor Jain in Pakistan ;D
India has a huge unparalleled horrific saga of massacres, cruelty and vandalism brought by muslamics and the eternal retaliations by the Indians, so much so that billions of Chugadtai's can not convince anyone.
My own ancestors had to migrate to the Nepali Himalayan regions for hundreds of years till muslamic rule was shattered and India shall be retaliating till the last muslamic is withdrawn from the earth.
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I was sad when HZ said that Muslims had attacked a Jain temple. Talk about a religion of peace! Jainism followers don't even want to step on bugs! I obviously don't agree with the Jain religion but the idea of such peaceful people getting visciously attacked by bloodthirsty Muslims is very sad.
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I was sad when HZ said that Muslims had attacked a Jain temple. Talk about a religion of peace! Jainism followers don't even want to step on bugs! I obviously don't agree with the Jain religion but the idea of such peaceful people getting visciously attacked by bloodthirsty Muslims is very sad.
Indeed. Jains don't even kill insects. Why are they being attacked?
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I noticed the muslim that was on this tread earlier was making excuses for islam.
This is the problem with muslims...they are brainwashed and have no identities.
muslims defend islam blindly knowing full well their cult is responsible for most of
the autrocities commited on Earth.
Shalom - Dox
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I was sad when HZ said that Muslims had attacked a Jain temple. Talk about a religion of peace! Jainism followers don't even want to step on bugs! I obviously don't agree with the Jain religion but the idea of such peaceful people getting visciously attacked by bloodthirsty Muslims is very sad.
bugs? they dont even want to kill bacteria's, No i'm not joking. Read the tenth question here: http://yja.org/jainism-faq/
Bacteria have many of the same capabilities that human cells do. Therefore, they are living organisms just like us. That is why you see sadhus and sadhvis (monks and nuns) covering their mouth while speaking. This is in order to prevent their breath from killing bacteria in the air.(http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/42643/2764199470100360316S425x425Q85.jpg)
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I've read about that before HZ. Is it true that their religious leaders starve themselves to death? I wasn't sure whether to believe that or not.
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yes its called Santhara http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santhara
according to Indian Laws it is prohibited and comes under the category of attempted sucide. Many Jain organisations have challeged this in courts, as they feel it goes against their belief. Only highly revered jain scholars do it mostly. 100 each year i guess.
There is a similar concept in Hinduism, but it doesnt involve fasting, but just deep meditation, the person goes into deep trance/meditation.. so much so that he/she forgets to breath, stopping oxygen supply to the brain and resultant death. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samadhi). i think atleast 5 Hindu yogis achieve this every year.
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Thanks for the information HZ. I think it's really sad that people do that. I don't think any good can be accomplished in the world if you're dead. I think people are here for a reason and should try to use their lives to accomplish good things rather than choose to die like that.
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I think we should keep him a little bit longer. If anything, it's good for us to work on our debating skills, and it livens things up. Besides, I can always ban him if he starts excusing terrorism.
I think you hit the nail right on the head here. I don't think it will do us as much good to just have forum members who all have the same exact views. Having a diversity of views will help us sharpen our debating skills and will only help us to make our cases that much stronger. So I think we should welcome people of all different persuasions including muslims, leftists, anti-zionists, and even relative liberals like myself :)