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:o :o :o :o ;D
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/183997
MK Ben-Ari Demands Discussion on Anat Kam Scandal
Reported: 13:59 PM - Apr/08/10
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Speaking Thursday, MK Michael Ben-Ari (National Union), a member of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, demanded that the Committee meet in an emergency meeting to discuss the Anat Kam scandal, in which an IDF soldier stole more than 2,000 sensitive security documents while she worked as a secretary in the army. She transferred many of the documents to Uri Blau of Ha'aretz, whom Ben-Ari also wants investigated.
Ben-Ari is demanding to know how two people with extreme left-wing views were able to get hold of sensitive security information. “It appears that the left's viewpoints causes some of them to plot against the existence of the state, and to cooperate with the enemy,” Ben-Ari said.
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Someone give that whore a burqa.
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Beautiful? :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D
At least they are criticizing extreme left views. They usually go against the right.
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Someone give that whore a burqa.
If anyone needs one she does.Imagine being drunk and picking up that creature in a bar
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Someone give that whore a burqa.
If anyone needs one she does.Imagine being drunk and picking up that creature in a bar
Mord, we shouldn't even think about such a thing. :o
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Beautiful? That thing is hideous!!!
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Someone give that whore a burqa.
If anyone needs one she does.Imagine being drunk and picking up that creature in a bar
Mord, we shouldn't even think about such a thing. :o
TRUE I'LL HAVE NIGHTMARES
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BEAUTIFUL I'M BEING SARCASTIC :laugh: :laugh:
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I was kind of surprised when I saw that photo after reading the thread title. :yuck:
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I was kind of surprised when I saw that photo after reading the thread title. :yuck:
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That girl is UGLY!
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That girl is UGLY!
I second that
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I've seen better pictures of this traitor. In some she looks better and in other worse. But in any case I don't think she would need to look pretty in prison where she belongs.
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All Jew haters and Jew traitors are very, very ugly inside... I dont care how this animal looks on the outside, on the inside she is rotten and stinky.
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>:(Yemach Shemo to Israeli Leftists >:(
PS: I read a story the other day that 90% of Gazans believe that Arab traitors should be executed. I wish that 100% Israeli citizens hope that Israeli traitors will be executed. Trash like this animal Anat Kam should be put down by injection.
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That's beautiful?
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>:(Yemach Shemo to Israeli Leftists >:(
PS: I read a story the other day that 90% of Gazans believe that Arab traitors should be executed. I wish that 100% Israeli citizens hope that Israeli traitors will be executed. Trash like this animal Anat Kam should be put down by injection.
Muman, cursing a Jew, even a sinner or traitor one, is forbidden by Hallacha. Better pray that they may repent, or leave the issue to Ravs.
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As Vladimir Putin said to Condi Rice: "There's no women on Earth who won't be cured of ALL her mental hangups by being locked inside a Ukranian Army barracks for a month!"
Another Israeli traitoress, the "beautiful" Tali Fahima
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_G_ctFbLwC5I/RZ1ljixdcGI/AAAAAAAAAFA/tK0UUsCvbUY/s200/fahima.jpg)
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Then you say that when Rav Kahane himself said Yimach Shemo to Yossi Sarid he was sinning?
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Then you say that when Rav Kahane himself said Yimach Shemo to Yossi Sarid he was sinning?
Kahane WAS a Rav, who is a Rav in this forum?
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Rav Kahane cursed a fellow Jew who is a traitorous Communist beast, if so why do you think it's forbbiden for us to do so?
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I will take my chances with Hashem on this one... This kind of evil must be destroyed from our midst or there will be no Jews, no Jewish state, no nothing...
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>:(Yemach Shemo to Israeli Leftists >:(
PS: I read a story the other day that 90% of Gazans believe that Arab traitors should be executed. I wish that 100% Israeli citizens hope that Israeli traitors will be executed. Trash like this animal Anat Kam should be put down by injection.
Muman, cursing a Jew, even a sinner or traitor one, is forbidden by Hallacha. Better pray that they may repent, or leave the issue to Ravs.
My question to you ralmario2000 is who do you curse? I hope it is our enemies and not us... We are fighting for the Jewish state of Israel... Those who make themselves our enemies will be cut off. Remember when the sin of the golden calf occurred?
Parasha Ki Tisa: Shemot 32
25. And Moses saw the people, that they were exposed, for Aaron had exposed them to be disgraced before their adversaries.
26. So Moses stood in the gate of the camp and said: "Whoever is for the Lord, [let him come] to me!" And all the sons of Levi gathered around him.
27. He said to them: "So said the Lord, the God of Israel: 'Let every man place his sword upon his thigh and pass back and forth from one gate to the other in the camp, and let every man kill his brother, every man his friend, every man his kinsman.' "
28. The sons of Levi did according to Moses' word; on that day some three thousand men fell from among the people.
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I wasn't cursing anybody. I just said that Hallacha forbids cursing a fellow Jew. And saying "Ymach Shemo" to 100% of leftist Israelis sounds like calling for a genocide. Judging by elections results in Israel, about half of Israeli Jews are Leftists either convinced ones or mostly due to ignorance or indoctrination.
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I wasn't cursing anybody. I just said that Hallacha forbids cursing a fellow Jew. And saying "Ymach Shemo" to 100% of leftist Israelis sounds like calling for a genocide. Judging by elections results in Israel, about half of Israeli Jews are Leftists either convinced ones or mostly due to ignorance or indoctrination.
I am not saying anything other than I pray that these traitors will be removed from the world because of Hashems divine will. Bnai Israel cannot afford to lose any ground due to enemies within. I do not change my wish that Hashem will either bring these traitors to teshuva, or destroy them from our midst. When one is kind to the cruel one will ultimately be cruel to the kind...
Another thought... Chesed or kindness is a wonderful quality. Chesed is the quality which we meditate on during the first week of the Omer count (which is started after Pesach ends)... But Chesed is destructive if it doesn't have the boundries which are established by the middah of Gevurah or restraint/strength.... Chesed is the ultimate goal but without restraint and strength it becomes a destructive force.
http://www.aish.com/sp/k/48961961.html
THE COUNTERBALANCE
But let us now take a different case. A person is hammering a nail into a board. The right hand pounds in the nail, whilst the left one holds the board down. A person screws in a screw with his right hand, and the left one pressures a nut in the opposite direction. Or a sculptor's right hand chisels stone, while his left hand holds the stone steady. In these examples, the right and left hand are cooperating -– by acting in a counter fashion!
We see from this that chesed and gevurah are acting simultaneously towards the same goal –- by exerting forces in opposite directions.
Let us be a little more specific regarding the specific roles of chesed and gevurah. When the sculptor chisels the stone, his right hand naturally takes the chipped stone along with the motion of his chisel. His left hand, however, holds the stone in place, and through the resistance to the movement of the chisel gives the stone its sense of "self." Thus, the stone is not taken along with the chisel, but rather it stands its own ground. Although the right hand has acted upon it, it has retained its own properties, while bearing the right hand's "message."
This describes exactly the relationship of chesed as the "right hand" and gevurah as the "left hand."
The main purpose of G-d's deeds is kindness -- thus chesed is stronger than gevurah.
The main purpose of G-d's deeds is kindness. Thus chesed is the stronger and more dominant of the two sefirot. And it is performing the act that G-d really had in mind.
But we have previously described the problem inherent in chesed. If a person lives as a beneficiary of someone else's largesse, then he loses his own identity. He becomes a vessel of the benefactor. This would be similar to the board being swept up in the motion of the hammer.
Therein, the sefirah of gevurah assists. It is the "left hand" that pushes in the opposite direction and gives the board its own existence. Whereas the right hand pulls along, the left hand pushes back. Whereas the attribute of chesed draws things into G-d's sphere of being, gevurah pushes the object away and proclaims: "Away from me, stand on your own two feet; earn your own keep."
The Rabbis of the Talmud have taught us:
A person should always draw people closer by means of his right hand, and push them aside with his left hand. (Sotah 47)
It is an important lesson in human relationships. The stronger and more dominant feature of human interaction should be the drawing closer and friendship of people. But enough "push" must be included to allow for the retaining of individual self. Benevolence towards an independent individual creates bonds and bridges; towards a dependant person, it creates annexation and is overwhelming.
http://www.aish.com/tp/i/moha/48915467.html
Chesed, "kindness," is a wonderful attribute. But even kindness must have its limits. We know that chesed taken to an extreme is associated with incest, and illicit sexual relations:
And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter, and see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness; it is a chesed. And they shall be cut off in the sight of their people. He has uncovered his sister's nakedness; he shall bear his iniquity. (Leviticus 20:17; see Rashi)
Chesed is wonderful, but too much chesed can be destructive. On a normal basis God holds back one moment a day from chesed, and allows strictness in order to help man avoid this spiritual pitfall. However, on that day while Balak and Bil'am were plotting and trying to harm the Jews there was not even a moment of judgement – only chesed.
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As Vladimir Putin said to Condi Rice: "There's no women on Earth who won't be cured of ALL her mental hangups by being locked inside a Ukranian Army barracks for a month!"
Another Israeli traitoress, the "beautiful" Tali Fahima
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_G_ctFbLwC5I/RZ1ljixdcGI/AAAAAAAAAFA/tK0UUsCvbUY/s200/fahima.jpg)
She describes her nationality as Palestinian.
Until 2003 she was a Likud supporter; she then read an interview in which Zubeidi described his transformation from peace activist to wanted terrorist; intrigued, she found Zubeidi's phone number, and spoke with him several times. When she learned that Zubeidi was at the top of Israel's list of intended assassinations, she decided to travel to Jenin and live in his home as a human shield.
She became involved in the Palestinian children's project in Jenin which featured in the film Arna's Children, along with Zubeidi before his imprisonment.
On April 23, 2007, she participated in an alternative torch-lighting ceremony for Israeli Independence Day, where she lit a torch in honor of Zubeidi.
Nowadays, Tali lives as a Palestinian in the Arab village Ara'ra, and works as a Hebrew teacher.
Wonga you sure know how to pick 'em :o :o :o
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An Israeli calling herself P-alestinian, that's awufull. Now, Muman, if you wish about 3 million Israeli Leftists to be removed, then what's the point of having a Jewish State in EY? You won't be able to populate it with 'olim either because Leftists Reform Jews are quite a majority in the Galuth. It is a sad fact, but a fact anyway, that about a half of Israelis have bought in the lie of a P-alestinian people's existance. And only 10% of Israeli Jews are fully Torah Observant. Better pray for them to do Teshuvah, instead of cursing.
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Extreme leftists are almost always ugly. Look at Adam Keller from Gush Shalom.
(http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/galleries/gallery_1213649724/IMG_0040.jpg)
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Extreme leftists are almost always ugly.
The prototoype of all ugly leftists: Shulamit Aloni!
(http://www.yairgil.com/050717-Fahima/TaliFahima18July2005%20008x-b.jpg)
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I wasn't cursing anybody. I just said that Hallacha forbids cursing a fellow Jew. And saying "Ymach Shemo" to 100% of leftist Israelis sounds like calling for a genocide. Judging by elections results in Israel, about half of Israeli Jews are Leftists either convinced ones or mostly due to ignorance or indoctrination.
Maybe according to some opinions/approaches to the halacha (including seemingly the Chazon Ish based on what my gemara rabbi told me). But obviously not according to Rav Kahane's opinion and his approach to the halacha. And I'm sure there are other rabbis like him (Rabbi Kahane) on this issue because it sounded like Chazon Ish was stating a chiddush! (even though one that my gemara rabbi apparently holds by). This based on what was said to me a month ago or so, although the exact wording I do not remember, I certainly remember the circumstance.
It cannot be more clear that Rabbi Kahane did not forbid cursing a traitorous Jew.
So he must be holding like other prominent poskim who also did not forbid that.
Generally this board goes according to the approach of Rabbi Kahane, so it is rather senseless to rebuke people every time a jewish traitor is cursed here. Furthermore, to not acknowledge that there can be mahloketh (disagreement) in halacha is a further mistake that seems to be the foundation of your rebuke.
You seem to say that there is no possible way anyone disagrees with that halacha. Rav Ovadia Yosef is also on record as cursing Yossi Sarid. If this is true, obviously he does not agree with Chazon Ish on this issue.
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As a matter of fact Rav Ovadia Yosef even said that we should have a feast the day Shulamit Aloni dies.
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I think it's better to be carefull with curses. Here, the Kehilah (AMIA) had been destroyed by a bomb in the capital. A man passed by my house in this twon and sarcastically shouted AMIA BOOM. I called him and told him, the victims in AMIA were killed by falling bricks, now, as you mock the dead, may a brick strike your head. A time later, that man went to a disco and fought with some boys from another town nearby. He was in fact struck by a brick on his head in the square outside the disco, and his blood stained the Monument to the Mother's here. He was in hospital for a long time.
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I think it's better to be carefull with curses. Here, the Kehilah (AMIA) had been destroyed by a bomb in the capital. A man passed by my house in this twon and sarcastically shouted AMIA BOOM. I called him and told him, the victims in AMIA were killed by falling bricks, now, as you mock the dead, may a brick strike your head. A time later, that man went to a disco and fought with some boys from another town nearby. He was in fact struck by a brick on his head in the square outside the disco, and his blood stained the Monument to the Mother's here. He was in hospital for a long time.
Raulmarrio2000,
I myself am very careful with curses. I have come down on some people on the forum who use this curse on people who do not warrant such a curse {like hollywood celebrities and other lowlifes}. I do not take cursing lightly and have posted several times the halachas concerning Lashon Hara and who we can, and who we cannot, according to Halacha speak negatively about.
But in this case. This woman may have done some irreparable damage to the security of the Jewish people in Israel. I think a curse is fitting such a case. This woman may have blood on her head.
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It's obscene to compare the Kehilah of Buenos Aires to filthy self-hating dogs like Sarid and Aloni.
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I was not refering to her. I was refering to that statement saying "Ymach Shemo" to all Israeli leftists.
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It's obscene to compare the Kehilah of Buenos Aires to filthy self-hating dogs like Sarid and Aloni.
I was not comparing the Kehilah with anybody. I was saying that I cursed a Gentile man here for having mocked the dead, and wished him that he may be struck by a brick in his head, and he was. So I said that it's better to be carefull with curses, because sometimes they seem to have effect.
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It's obscene to compare the Kehilah of Buenos Aires to filthy self-hating dogs like Sarid and Aloni.
I was not comparing the Kehilah with anybody. I was saying that I cursed a Gentile man here for having mocked the dead, and wished him that he may be struck by a brick in his head, and he was. So I said that it's better to be carefull with curses, because sometimes they seem to have effect.
Do you see what the liberal-left media is doing with this story. This woman has been made into some kind of hero for betraying the security of Israel. I think she is a traitor who warrants the death penalty.
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I think Muman meant the Israeli Leftist who sin because of Rish'ut (Evilness) and not Tmimut (Naivete, Ingenuousness, Innocence).
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That woman should be judged by a court, and perhaps, yes, the case is worth an execution (if not, at least a life sentence in prison)
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I think Muman meant the Israeli Leftist who sin because of Rish'ut (Evilness) and not Tmimut (Naivete, Ingenuousness, Innocence).
Of course I do not mean all innocent leftists who don't know any better. I have stood up for the 'liberal reform' Jews many times, as my family comes from that background. I do not hope that all will be destroyed as I know many will make teshuva when their time has come. I am so lucky that both my mother and father have been drawn back toward our Jewish heritage because of my teshuva. My father, before he died, said he was proud of my observance of Jewish faith. He himself did teshuva for the things he did which hurt my mother and me and my brother.
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It's obscene to compare the Kehilah of Buenos Aires to filthy self-hating dogs like Sarid and Aloni.
I was not comparing the Kehilah with anybody. I was saying that I cursed a Gentile man here for having mocked the dead, and wished him that he may be struck by a brick in his head, and he was. So I said that it's better to be carefull with curses, because sometimes they seem to have effect.
I'm amazed at what I'm seeing. Do you really think that when people curse a traitor they don't want the curse to come true?
"The curse seems to have effect"..... This is reason NOT to do it? I would think the exact opposite, All the Moreso reason to curse the traitors!
Let me ask you. Does her delivering the lives of Jewish soldiers and the entire Jewish nation into the hands of the enemy - Does this seem to have effect? Or are her actions somehow nullified because she's a Jewess-by-birth? She should die for this along with the jihadists because she wants us all dead like they do.
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Its no surprise that left-wing Ideology is destroying Israel and America.
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Kahane-was-Right, read the whole post, I was refering to the post which reads "Ymach Shemo" to Israeli leftists.
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Kahane-was-Right, read the whole post, I was refering to the post which reads "Ymach Shemo" to Israeli leftists.
Really? Should I quote you?
Muman, cursing a Jew, even a sinner or traitor one, is forbidden by Hallacha. Better pray that they may repent, or leave the issue to Ravs.
Don't play games with me Raul, I really don't have time for this. I was in this thread from the beginning. And it was quite obvious what you were saying and what you were not saying. Not only that, but you have repeated this response several times now in multiple threads. Each and every time, it is pointed out to you that Rav Kahane did NOT hold that the halacha forbids cursing a traitor Jew. Yet you persist in your rebukes, which as shown by your words above, are completely generic and about ANY Jew ("even a traitor one") according to you.
So enough wasting my time and let's move on. The point is, you should hear what I'm saying in this thread and let it influence how you react in the future. That's really what is important here.
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She's still prettier than Arab "women", but not by much.
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When the person who utters the curse has the intention of it being fullfilled due to his words, or when he believes that it may have effect, even if he doesn't intend it, that curse would have the same purpose of a Pulsa Denura. So, why do you think there are so many restrictions to use Pulsa Denura? Regarding Pulsa Denura, Ravs have said that it can be only used as a last resource to save the community, since noone has the right to attempt to kill a person without a proper trial, and even the Pulsa Denura does not specially attempt to kill, it's a prayer that the person be removed only if there is no other way to get rid of the evil he is doing.
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When the person who utters the curse has the intention of it being fullfilled due to his words, or when he believes that it may have effect, even if he doesn't intend it, that curse would have the same purpose of a Pulsa Denura. So, why do you think there are so many restrictions to use Pulsa Denura? Regarding Pulsa Denura, Ravs have said that it can be only used as a last resource to save the community, since noone has the right to attempt to kill a person without a proper trial, and even the Pulsa Denura does not specially attempt to kill, it's a prayer that the person be removed only if there is no other way to get rid of the evil he is doing.
So I see now you are changing your argument. You're going around in circles because your denial before didn't work? Look, like I said, don't play games with me and don't waste my time.
Rabbi Kahane ZT"L HY"D understood that the halacha did not forbid cursing a traitor Jew. And he meant what he said when he said such things.
Period. End of story.
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She's still prettier than Arab "women", but not by much.
no shes not she's much uglier
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I did not change arguments or play games, I only wanted to point out my disapproval to including all Israeli leftists, because what is leftist? who can be understood to be included in that definition? It was not my intention to defend a dangerous traitor, only that if I was going to quote an Hallacha I had to mention it in full as I learned it.
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So for how long, if at all, do you think the judges should sentence Anat Kamm to?!
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/plea-bargain-readied-in-anat-kamm-espionage-case-1.313633
(http://www.promisedlandblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/anat-kamm.jpg)
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So for how long, if at all, do you think the judges should sentence Anat Kamm to?!
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/plea-bargain-readied-in-anat-kamm-espionage-case-1.313633
For life.
If I was in power though, the death penalty would be carried out as the sentence for treason.
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I think the leftist lesbian bulldyke Israeli judgettes will sentence her to one year only!
(http://www.themarker.com/ibo/images/TM08/s/special_big/dorit_beinish.jpg)
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Tali Fahima has turned her back completly to the Jewish people, and to G-d; she is now a Muslim.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3902175,00.html [click link for full article]
"Leftist Tali Fahima converts to Islam
Woman who had affair with al-Aqsa Brigades commander Zubeidi, served time for aiding terrorists converts to Islam at Umm al-Fahm mosque. 'From now on she is a full-fledged Muslim,' sheikh says
Israeli left-wing activist Tali Fahima, previously convicted of aiding Palestinian terrorists, told Ynet that she had converted to Islam on Monday at a mosque in Umm al-Fahm in the presence of three sheikhs."
(http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/24012010/2599240/DSC04930_a.jpg)
This is a current picture. [she looks like a female terrorist version of Woody Allen]
(http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/20022007/1065947/Resize-of-20_a.jpg)
This is a picture of her from several years ago. [she looks like an average young woman]
Chaim's scientific theory of people getting uglier from being evil prevails again.
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Now that she's pleaded guilty http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=206676 the traitorous slut Kamm, instead of enjoying herself in a soft bull-dyke Israeli jail, should be punished by being sent to her Arab friends in Gaza for 6 months.
Anat'll come out singing like Um Kul Thum, as Gazans really know how to pleasure their Jewess whores!
(http://www.jpost.com/HttpHandlers/ShowImage.ashx?ID=143671)
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ymach shma to tali fahima that ugly filth.
Funny I hardly ever curse but I'm finding myself cursing the worst of the worst lately.
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The prototoype of all ugly leftists: Shulamit Aloni!
(http://www.yairgil.com/050717-Fahima/TaliFahima18July2005%20008x-b.jpg)
Shulamit Aloni, that crazy self-hating leftist beast, who said that every time she sees a religious Jew, she understands why there was the Shoah !
Shulamit Aloni, who lead, along with Geula Cohen, the disqualification of Rabbi Meir Kahane from the Knesset !