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LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy - Pope Benedict XVI reasserted the primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says other Christian communities are either defective or not true churches and Catholicism provides the only true path to salvation.
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silly goozes...who's to judge that one religion is correct?
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Apparently some Catholics and Muslims.
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And black "hebrews"
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and Allen-T...He even told me so.
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Catholics and Muslims are of the same the vatican was the one that created the evil religion called Islam. and Its the Vaticans Jesuit Order that is destroying USA & Israel. They use the Muslims as a weapon when there "crusades" fail.
As you can see the Muslims & Catholics both practice self-mutilation
Opus Dei torture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp83MqjO9tg
Muslim Torture
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Catholic-Muslim love
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Dexter I can't believe how smart you are. You are only 13 and you write like a real intellectual. When I was 13 all I did was waist time. its amazing that at your age, you are able to read and write a foreign language so proficiently. Dexter, all the kooshim in America can't read and write even when they graduate college.
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I always think the same thing DownwithIslam. When I was 13 I was concerned with skateboarding and chasing girls. I did not devote one gram of my brain to politics or any intellectual pursuit whatsoever. In a few years, Dexter will have better English skills than 99% of schvartzas. Dexter is a self-taught genius, he already has the motivation to learn at such a young age and I have no doubt that it will continue and he will do many great things.
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Dexters english skills are already far ahead of any shvartza. Most shvartzas can't even wipe their tuchis properly let alone anything else.
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Well I hate to break the news to everyone, especially on a forum that professes a desire to 'save Western civiliation', but the Catholic church and European civilization are inextricable. The Catholic church has funded and promoted an extremely disproportionate of European cultural output.
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Well I hate to break the news to everyone, especially on a forum that professes a desire to 'save Western civiliation', but the Catholic church and European civilization are inextricable. The Catholic church has funded and promoted an extremely disproportionate of European cultural output.
We just wish they'd stop kissing the koran.
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Well I hate to break the news to everyone, especially on a forum that professes a desire to 'save Western civiliation', but the Catholic church and European civilization are inextricable. The Catholic church has funded and promoted an extremely disproportionate of European cultural output.
We just wish they'd stop kissing the koran.
Agreed. That's nasty on more than one level.
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I think the Roman Catholic Church has made and is still making some poor decisions, but I am not going to flame it. I don't agree with what Pope Benedict said this week about Catholicism being the only true church... beyond that, I don't have anything to add.
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I think the Roman Catholic Church has made and is still making some poor decisions, but I am not going to flame it. I don't agree with what Pope Benedict said this week about Catholicism being the only true church... beyond that, I don't have anything to add.
I have to agree with you CF and the way you put in this post. The Catholic church has done quite a bit of good in the world over the years however It has also had some very bad policies that went along with that good. I think that the fact that the prior Pope stayed on so long while he was sick and debilitated really left the church open to many bad things. The fact that this new pope was almost hand picked by him only allows bad policy to continue. This pope may or may not be as evil as he seems. I really have come to believe that the pope is only a mouthpiece for policy that the hierarchy lays out for him. If this pope was younger and more aggressive he might have been able to influence that policy. This pope has stated himself that his reign will only be a care taker one designed to continue the path the church is was on already. Statements like "Catholicism being the only true church" are only really designed to impress the faithful. Everyone thinks what they believe in is the best so why should that statement bother anyone.
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Admittedly getting off-topic, but for the record what exactly is your avatar, CJD? It appears to be a rabid strawberry... :o ???
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Admittedly getting off-topic, but for the record what exactly is your avatar, CJD? It appears to be a rabid strawberry... :o ???
Yea your right it is off topic however....... Its a subjective avatar it can be anything you want it to be. As far as it being rabid maybe it is ;D
The avatar is from the original JTF proboards forum. I started off with and have had it since the start of the forum.
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Dexter I can't believe how smart you are. You are only 13 and you write like a real intellectual. When I was 13 all I did was waist time. its amazing that at your age, you are able to read and write a foreign language so proficiently. Dexter, all the kooshim in America can't read and write even when they graduate college.
and DWI you are like in your 20's maybe? And you can't spell waist right either...it's WASTE.
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LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy - Pope Benedict XVI reasserted the primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says other Christian communities are either defective or not true churches and Catholicism provides the only true path to salvation.
Oh great!! Now he is behaving like an evangelist.
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First of all, Dexter i think its great that you are this wellinformed, but actually if you were out now skating and chasing tail, that would be equally great. You have only one childhood, use it the best way!
Second. Seriously Benedick<-, What exactly has the great (sarcasm) church of catholicism ever done that was good. The church have condoned genocide during WW2, Eradicated the Indians in South America etc. the list is endless.
the also said that the Orthodox church isn't so bad, but that it has a wound because they don't see the Pope as their church head.. We have God,Jesus and the Holy Ghost, I think that's enough. The Orthodox churches (Since every Country has their own) have never condoned any killings, in fact Serb Monks Saved many muslims during the Balkan wars.
And what coward that Benedick is seriously, He "offends" the muslims by reading something that a Byzantine emperor wrote (btw most of the Byzantine emperors were either Serbs or Greeks;) ). And then he apologized, but going after your allies that's fair game?
Hypocritic Coward
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First of all, Dexter i think its great that you are this wellinformed, but actually if you were out now skating and chasing tail, that would be equally great. You have only one childhood, use it the best way!
Second. Seriously Benedick<-, What exactly has the great (sarcasm) church of catholicism ever done that was good. The church have condoned genocide during WW2, Eradicated the Indians in South America etc. the list is endless.
the also said that the Orthodox church isn't so bad, but that it has a wound because they don't see the Pope as their church head.. We have G-d,Jesus and the Holy Ghost, I think that's enough. The Orthodox churches (Since every Country has their own) have never condoned any killings, in fact Serb Monks Saved many muslims during the Balkan wars.
And what coward that Benedick is seriously, He "offends" the muslims by reading something that a Byzantine emperor wrote (btw most of the Byzantine emperors were either Serbs or Greeks;) ). And then he apologized, but going after your allies that's fair game?
Hypocritic Coward
He only apoligized for the reaction his speech caused.
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Catholics and Muslims are of the same the vatican was the one that created the evil religion called Islam. and Its the Vaticans Jesuit Order that is destroying USA & Israel. They use the Muslims as a weapon when there "crusades" fail.
It was mohammed who started islam with elements stolen from arab paganism, Judaism & Christianity. If Catholicism and islam are of the same, then why are they also persecuted under islam along with every other non muslim?
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He only apoligized for the reaction his speech caused.
That IS what I meant. Do you see any Imams apologizing?
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Catholics and Muslims are of the same the vatican was the one that created the evil religion called Islam. and Its the Vaticans Jesuit Order that is destroying USA & Israel. They use the Muslims as a weapon when there "crusades" fail.
It was mohammed who started islam with elements stolen from arab paganism, Judaism & Christianity. If Catholicism and islam are of the same, then why are they also persecuted under islam along with every other non muslim?
Cause people are "replaceable" according to some of the Jesuits. In the sixth century, Catholic leaders manipulated the Arabian tribesman Mohammed into creating the religion of Islam to use as a weapon against the Jews, Bible following Christians, and to conquer Jerusalem for the pope. But it back fired on them as the false religion grew to large. Research it on google for yourself. "Jesuit" catholic" created" Islam"
Don't fall prey to the Sabbatean Jews who love the Pope.
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/
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Dexter I can't believe how smart you are. You are only 13 and you write like a real intellectual. When I was 13 all I did was waist time. its amazing that at your age, you are able to read and write a foreign language so proficiently. Dexter, all the kooshim in America can't read and write even when they graduate college.
Dexter is not 13 ? ?
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I agree with SerbianCetnik,
The western church of Rome which represents it selves as the Catholic church has a bloody and dark history. During the middle ages this church participated into so called inquisitions. Crime and torture were daily committed by the members of the Roman church.
During the crusades direction Jerusalem the catholic crusaders committed serious atrocities against Serbian and other orthodox civilizations.
These serious crimes were not even committed by the Ottoman invader which also wanted to destroy everything what is Orthodox.
During WW2 the Vatican supported the Croatian Nazi Ustashi regime which organized, prepared and conducted genocide against Serbs, Jews and Romas.
Even during the collapse of Yugoslavia in the beginning of the nineties the Vatican supported and prepared again the separatist forces of Yugoslavia.
This testified the hatred of the Catholic church against orthodox Christian civilization.
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Wow, the Catholic Church created islam, it must be true, it is on google. Come on now. As a raised Roman Catholic who sees very much wrong with the church itself(I believe a true Christian does not follow any particular church, man made rules, but the words of Jesus as written in the gospels) and yes, they have committeed many atrocities over the years, they can also be credited with saving western civilization. The Crusades were many faceted, yes, atrocities against Jews and Orthodox Catholics happened and many battles were lost to the muslims they did greatly slow down the advance of islam, as bad as it was, things could have turned out much worse. The first Christians(Catholics) did not get such great treatment from the Romans. Every group has had their atrocities committeed against them and also by them, not making it right or wrong, it's just history.
Actually, I refer to myself as a Christian who happened to be raised Roman Catholic. To me the whole idea of a pope is blashpemous.
I am sure Judaism's history is not squeaky clean either. You know,calling yourself God's chosen people may put off a lot of people too. This is just like what is going on with nations, it's leaders may be saying one thing but it's citizens/followers believe entirely something else.
As far as kissing the quran, disgusting, but he is far from alone here as so called leaders from many faiths and nations have also committeed this despicable act.
Now, before I get attacked for the chosen people remark I made, I was just using it to make a point, I have no problems with Judaism or any other religion, as long as they practice theirs and let me practice mine without harming each other. Obviously this leaves out the violent political ideology of islam that poses as a religion.
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LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy - Pope Benedict XVI reasserted the primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says other Christian communities are either defective or not true churches and Catholicism provides the only true path to salvation.
Dexter, you gave us only the half of Benedikts statement.
He said in addition to that, that other "Christian communities" are indeed only "entities likewise the real [Catholic] church", but a membership there don't avoid your salvation.
I don't agree with the most of the catholic teachings, but the position of the RCC of today is one of the most tolerant if you compare with other groups.
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Look at it this way:
Coca-Cola doesn't go around advertising for Pepsi-Cola, unless it wants its place in the market to slip.
Vatican City has a very high overhead.
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Wow, the Catholic Church created islam, it must be true, it is on google. Come on now. As a raised Roman Catholic who sees very much wrong with the church itself(I believe a true Christian does not follow any particular church, man made rules, but the words of Jesus as written in the gospels) and yes, they have committeed many atrocities over the years, they can also be credited with saving western civilization. The Crusades were many faceted, yes, atrocities against Jews and Orthodox Catholics happened and many battles were lost to the muslims they did greatly slow down the advance of islam, as bad as it was, things could have turned out much worse. The first Christians(Catholics) did not get such great treatment from the Romans. Every group has had their atrocities committeed against them and also by them, not making it right or wrong, it's just history.
Actually, I refer to myself as a Christian who happened to be raised Roman Catholic. To me the whole idea of a pope is blashpemous.
I am sure Judaism's history is not squeaky clean either. You know,calling yourself G-d's chosen people may put off a lot of people too. This is just like what is going on with nations, it's leaders may be saying one thing but it's citizens/followers believe entirely something else.
As far as kissing the quran, disgusting, but he is far from alone here as so called leaders from many faiths and nations have also committeed this despicable act.
Now, before I get attacked for the chosen people remark I made, I was just using it to make a point, I have no problems with Judaism or any other religion, as long as they practice theirs and let me practice mine without harming each other. Obviously this leaves out the violent political ideology of islam that poses as a religion.
Your comparison is invalid. How can you say "Well, Judaism calls itself the Chosen people" as if this is even a bad thing? First of all, it isn't a bad thing. Second of all, how can this in any way diminish the RCC's role in the Crusades against Jews, the Inquisition, the Holocaust, the Nonrecognition of Israel, the re-establishment of Arafat yimach shemo 's credibility after his defeat in Lebanon, and then recognizing Israel only on condition of Israel recognizing the PLO and its leader nazi arafat. Clearly the pope has sided with the Fakestinians. All of these things show the problems with the RCC as a political institution, not saying anything about the Catholics' religious faith or at all trying to bash it. Why would you ever compare this to Judaism as a religion? Judaism's not a political institution, and it doesn't compare even slightly if it was.
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Don't want to flame but you're saying that only ortodox Judaism is real thing too, and that conserved and reformed movements are not cosher for Jews... At least this pope don't walk into "new age" one world religion direction and you can always stop being catholic if you don't agree with him on ussues like I did.
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Catholics and Muslims are of the same the vatican was the one that created the evil religion called Islam. and Its the Vaticans Jesuit Order that is destroying USA & Israel. They use the Muslims as a weapon when there "crusades" fail.
It was mohammed who started islam with elements stolen from arab paganism, Judaism & Christianity. If Catholicism and islam are of the same, then why are they also persecuted under islam along with every other non muslim?
Cause people are "replaceable" according to some of the Jesuits. In the sixth century, Catholic leaders manipulated the Arabian tribesman Mohammed into creating the religion of Islam to use as a weapon against the Jews, Bible following Christians, and to conquer Jerusalem for the pope. But it back fired on them as the false religion grew to large. Research it on google for yourself. "Jesuit" catholic" created" Islam"
Don't fall prey to the Sabbatean Jews who love the Pope.
http://www.vaticanassassins.org/
Thats BS with all respect, in VII century the catholic Eastern Roman Empire controled Eretz Yisrael, and Pope or bishop of Rome was one of five top patriarchs of the imperial Nicean church; I read many revisionist history but this... :D And this site is anti catholic "protocols".
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A while back Chaim posted something saying not to bash Catholics, because there are Catholic supporters of JTF.
What I will say though, is that I personally believe that true Christians are not limited to one denomination only, and I'm definitely not a follower of that Church, with which I have strong disagreements on several pieces of doctrine.
In fact I do not associate myself with any denomination precisely because they can tend to be exclusivist.
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Wow, the Catholic Church created islam, it must be true, it is on google. Come on now. As a raised Roman Catholic who sees very much wrong with the church itself(I believe a true Christian does not follow any particular church, man made rules, but the words of Jesus as written in the gospels) and yes, they have committeed many atrocities over the years, they can also be credited with saving western civilization. The Crusades were many faceted, yes, atrocities against Jews and Orthodox Catholics happened and many battles were lost to the muslims they did greatly slow down the advance of islam, as bad as it was, things could have turned out much worse. The first Christians(Catholics) did not get such great treatment from the Romans. Every group has had their atrocities committeed against them and also by them, not making it right or wrong, it's just history.
Actually, I refer to myself as a Christian who happened to be raised Roman Catholic. To me the whole idea of a pope is blashpemous.
I am sure Judaism's history is not squeaky clean either. You know,calling yourself G-d's chosen people may put off a lot of people too. This is just like what is going on with nations, it's leaders may be saying one thing but it's citizens/followers believe entirely something else.
As far as kissing the quran, disgusting, but he is far from alone here as so called leaders from many faiths and nations have also committeed this despicable act.
Now, before I get attacked for the chosen people remark I made, I was just using it to make a point, I have no problems with Judaism or any other religion, as long as they practice theirs and let me practice mine without harming each other. Obviously this leaves out the violent political ideology of islam that poses as a religion.
Your comparison is invalid. How can you say "Well, Judaism calls itself the Chosen people" as if this is even a bad thing? First of all, it isn't a bad thing. Second of all, how can this in any way diminish the RCC's role in the Crusades against Jews, the Inquisition, the Holocaust, the Nonrecognition of Israel, the re-establishment of Arafat yimach shemo 's credibility after his defeat in Lebanon, and then recognizing Israel only on condition of Israel recognizing the PLO and its leader nazi arafat. Clearly the pope has sided with the Fakestinians. All of these things show the problems with the RCC as a political institution, not saying anything about the Catholics' religious faith or at all trying to bash it. Why would you ever compare this to Judaism as a religion? Judaism's not a political institution, and it doesn't compare even slightly if it was.
I did not say that the chosen people thing is a bad thing, just that it could be offsetting to those not of the Jewish faith.
I am not trying to diminish atrocities committeed by the Catholic Church, but you know, those who live in glass houses thing.
I am not comparing an institution, the Catholic Church, to a religion, Judaism, if it came off that way I apologize, maybe I did not explain my thought clearly enough. An official group of Jewish leaders were responsible for getting Christ crucified but I do not claim that Jews crucified him, but there are many that do, this is the point I was trying to make. Separate the practicioners of a theology from the leaders of an established institution with man made rules.
Maybe you did not bash the Catholic faith and only the church itself(as I said, I myself have some issues with the church) there are some here who did comparing Catholics to muslims and even using the wacko's from Opes Dei as representing Catholicism.
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I did not say that the chosen people thing is a bad thing, just that it could be offsetting to those not of the Jewish faith.
I am not trying to diminish atrocities committeed by the Catholic Church, but you know, those who live in glass houses thing.
LOL, so 'potentially offsetting' equals an atrocity? How is that a glass house? You are way off base.
I hope you know that "Chosen people" isn't a supremacist thing at all, and many people have no idea what it really means. G-d chose us to give His Torah to. Do you deny that? And why? Because we at the time were the descendents of Abraham Isaac and Jacob (and still are obviously). He said it's not because we merited it that we were so great, or that we were a large nation but that we descended from these great men and G-d promised them long ago. Obviously G-d keeps his promises. Simple as that. Now for someone who has no idea what it means and they hear an irreligious Jew say it as some kind of slogan, could that be offputting to him? I don't know, it might be, but so what? If someone is so upset about it, find out what it really means. And being upset doesn't equal 'committing atrocities' so again I fail to see your point.
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An official group of Jewish leaders were responsible for getting [jesus] crucified but I do not claim that Jews crucified him, but there are many that do,
Really? Not according to our history. Do you have proof this event occurred? Even if it did, this lone act has been used to justify the atrocities I'm complaining about. "Christians" have used "Jews killed Jesus" slogan for CENTURIES to provoke and justify atrocities against innocent Jews. You really have no basis for any of your arguments. You cannot simply wipe away the Catholic Churche's many offense by saying, "Jews once did something I believe is bad as do all groups."
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Catholics = Muslims :o :( I'm very sad to hear that people feel that way.
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This is a very bad subject and usually causes too much argument and fighting.
It should not be said that Jews never did anything bad because Jews have killed Jews during the war who do you think were leading some of the Jews to their deaths?, so should all Jews during that time be condemned?
The Pope and church were not going to stick their necks out for Jews or anybody else, it was war and you had to do anything you could to survive yourself, if the Pope and church stuck their necks out they would have been wiped out.
I think a lot of people on this thread are making stupid statements.
I will not respond to anything more on this thread and this thread should be locked.
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This is a very bad subject and usually causes too much argument and fighting.
It should not be said that Jews never did anything bad because Jews have killed Jews during the war who do you think were leading some of the Jews to their deaths?, so should all Jews during that time be condemned?
The Pope and church were not going to stick their necks out for Jews or anybody else, it was war and you had to do anything you could to survive yourself, if the Pope and church stuck their necks out they would have been wiped out.
I think a lot of people on this thread are making stupid statements.
I will not respond to anything more on this thread and this thread should be locked.
Sorry, but the Church teaching a doctrine of "The Jews killed Jesus" and other institutional mandatory hatred against Jews, which only recently has even been moderated somewhat, contributed to centuries worth of antisemitism in Europe that led up to the Shoah (and all the other pogroms), and as you can see, this message of "the Jews killed jesus" has persisted. If you call this "stupid" it is simply that you are in denial.
No one is saying Jews never did anything bad. But why is that an argument for ignoring something as terrible as this? All people do bad and good. That doesn't come close to excusing this attitude, especially considering that people still believe it today!
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Catholics and Muslims are of the same the vatican was the one that created the evil religion called Islam. and Its the Vaticans Jesuit Order that is destroying USA & Israel. They use the Muslims as a weapon when there "crusades" fail.
Where did you get this idea from? Where is the EVIDENCE?
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This is a very bad subject and usually causes too much argument and fighting.
It should not be said that Jews never did anything bad because Jews have killed Jews during the war who do you think were leading some of the Jews to their deaths?, so should all Jews during that time be condemned?
The Pope and church were not going to stick their necks out for Jews or anybody else, it was war and you had to do anything you could to survive yourself, if the Pope and church stuck their necks out they would have been wiped out.
I think a lot of people on this thread are making stupid statements.
I will not respond to anything more on this thread and this thread should be locked.
Sorry, but the Church teaching a doctrine of "The Jews killed Jesus" and other institutional mandatory hatred against Jews, which only recently has even been moderated somewhat, contributed to centuries worth of antisemitism in Europe that led up to the Shoah (and all the other pogroms), and as you can see, this message of "the Jews killed jesus" has persisted. If you call this "stupid" it is simply that you are in denial.
No one is saying Jews never did anything bad. But why is that an argument for ignoring something as terrible as this? All people do bad and good. That doesn't come close to excusing this attitude, especially considering that people still believe it today!
I can only speak for myself but I was never taught to hate Jewish people.
I attended Catholic school for eight years.
In fact and for example - we were taken to a local Synagogue (in Flushing, NY located on the service road of the Long Island Expressway) for a class trip.
It was the most memorable, educational and moving class trip I ever went on.
Not one person in 8 years ever told me to hate Jewish people...just the opposite we were taught to respect the Jewish people and their religion.
I know that the Catholic Church is far from perfect...but being equated with a Muslim is a bit much. That is just how I feel. You are certainly entitled to your feelings.
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Yes blame one another when the world is in flames; I'm sure the muslimes who read us now must lough their asses seeing the kufars arguing who is the greatest MOPer in history. ::) They love to see their victims divided as it always helped them in Jihad. I'm locking this thread.