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Title: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on March 09, 2014, 10:30:09 PM
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Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: TruthSpreader on March 09, 2014, 10:31:03 PM
Thank you
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 09, 2014, 10:56:50 PM
Disappointed in the Haredi answer to Dr. Dan question.
What is the % of Secular who don't join? + Haredim aren't only problem with army, but their mindset + big and growing financial problem. + making the Torah look bad in the eyes of the public.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: muman613 on March 10, 2014, 01:45:25 AM
Putin was operating as a KGB agent when Reagan visited Moscow...
I agree with Chaim on the Haredie question. It is a convenient way to rally the seculars against the religious, both the Zionist and non-Zionist.
I disagree with Tag that it makes the Torah look bad.... To who does it do this? The seculars don't really care about the Torah, and they also avoid service in the IDF... It is not as simple as you think...
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: muman613 on March 10, 2014, 01:59:51 AM
We also are commanded to not eat the 'Gid HaNefesh' or the sciatic nerve...
11) [line 31] GID HA'NASHEH V'ALIBA D'REBBI YEHUDAH (a) The Gid ha'Nasheh is the sciatic nerve, the large main nerve of the lower extremity, running down the back of the leg. Eating the part of the Gid ha'Nasheh that is located on the rounded part of flesh ("Kaf") that sits on the hipbone is prohibited by the Torah (Bereishis 32:33). Rebbi Yehudah (Pesachim 83b, Chulin 90b) rules that the prohibition only applies to one leg. There is a question whether he says that it "definitely applies" or "most likely applies" to the right leg. According to the other Tana'im, the prohibition applies to both legs (and the Halachah follows this opinion). (b) This prohibition applies only to wild or domestic four-legged animals but not to birds. (c) Besides the Gid that is prohibited by the Torah, the Rabanan prohibited certain nearby fats and nerves. (d) Rebbi Yehudah (Chulin 100b) states that Gid ha'Nasheh was prohibited to the sons of Yakov, who were considered Benei Noach before HaSh-m gave the Torah to Benei Yisrael on Mount Sinai. The Rabanan argue, claiming that the prohibition was only given to Benei Yisrael on Mount Sinai. HaSh-m, however, instructed Moshe to write the verse along with the story of Yakov as an injunction for the future, to reveal the reason for the prohibition. Even Rebbi Yehudah agrees that only Benei Yisrael, and not all Benei Noach, were commanded not to eat the Gid ha'Nasheh, as the verse states, "Al Ken Lo Yochlu Venei Yisrael Es Gid Ha'Nasheh..."
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: muman613 on March 10, 2014, 02:15:35 AM
Here is additional information concerning why Hashem made the vegetation grow after Adam was created...
http://ohr.edu/5532
The First Prayer by Rabbi Yitzchak Botton
“Now all the trees of the field were not yet on the earth, and all the herbs of the field had not yet sprouted, for G-d had not sent rain upon the earth and there was no man to work the land.” (Gen. 2:6)
Rashi explains this verse, based on Talmud (Chullin 60b), that when G-d finished creating the world the earth remained desolate until Adam was created. Once Adam realized that both he and the world depended on rain for their survival, Adam began praying. Once the rain began to fall, trees and plants appeared on the earth.
Why did G-d wait for Adam to pray before He sent rain? Furthermore, why was man needed to work the land? G-d could surely have maintained the trees and plant life without man’s assistance!
Chazal explain in the Zohar that man is referred to as a “miniature world” since he was endowed with a portion of all the worlds –– a soul from the upper worlds and a body that was formed from the four corners of the earth. Consequently, man was charged with the duty to turn to G-d and pray on behalf of all of creation.
Working the Land
Man’s first expression of working for the betterment of the world was not by actually cultivating the land, but rather by praying for it. Why, then, is it stated in this verse: “and there was no man to work the land”?
The Torah calls prayer “the work of the heart” (Ta’anit 2a). It follows that the word “work” in the above verse can be understood as a reference to Adam’s prayer. Accordingly, the phrase “There was no man to work the land” teaches us that there was no one to pray for the land.
In the Beginning
Before man committed the first sin, he was not required to do any physical work. All he had to do was adhere to G-d’s instructions; namely, to fulfill the mitzvot required of him, and to help sustain the creation through his prayers. By fulfilling these precepts, man expresses his devotion to G-d and dependence on G-d. Consequently, these deeds alone provided Adam with the necessary merit of partaking of the world’s goodness.
The requirement for man to do physical work was added to his role as a punishment for his having committed the first sin. Nowadays, even though according to the natural order of things man must do physical work, one must not forget that the essential work of man is the work of the heart — i.e., prayer. Prayer serves as a testimony to man’s faith in G-d and it is the true source of all G-d’s blessings.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Rational Jew on March 10, 2014, 03:21:23 AM
Chaim, I apologize for correcting you but, near the end of the program, you accidentally called Michelle Bachmann 'Michelle Obama' at least twice.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Israel Chai on March 10, 2014, 04:25:14 AM
Chaim, I apologize for correcting you but, near the end of the program, you accidentally called Michelle Bachmann 'Michelle Obama' at least twice.
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No need to apologize. You are right. That's really embarrassing. That's what happens when I do a program late at night after a very long day.
My apologies to Michelle Bachmann, who is a righteous person. Comparing her to that Jew-hating racist beast Michelle Obama is a terrible insult.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 10, 2014, 12:12:02 PM
Muman- "I disagree with Tag that it makes the Torah look bad.... To who does it do this? The seculars don't really care about the Torah, and they also avoid service in the IDF... It is not as simple as you think..."
Yes they do. The vast majority of Jews in Israel aren't hardcore "seculars". People are traditional and such and of course it matters and makes an impression especially on them.
Those darn "seculars" who don't care anything about Torah and Judaism.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayAMfg9YSPk
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on March 10, 2014, 01:23:11 PM
I'm sorry Chaim, it was really funny to finally hear you admit how much you really like Michele Obama.
Great show!
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 10, 2014, 02:03:21 PM
I also don't understand what was said against Bennett. He first tried making an alliance with the Haredi parties (Shas and UTJ) but they refused. He then had to make an alliance with Lapid, that is how politics works. And let's say he made an alliance with Shas and UTJ instead Chail you could have easily made the same claim that he is working with the Haredim and pointed out the bad things they made in the past. So either way whatever Bayit Yehudi would hae done would have been or could have been looked upon negatively. And about the Bayit Yehudi voters- I think many of them just like the country see's the growing Haredi problems and they want to and need to solve it now while they are out of the coalition. Its a long overdue needed thing.
And about Lapid- why would he be an anti-Semite? Im not a fan of him but why the anti-Semitic claim. I hate some of his policies especially what he perhaps wants to do with the Settlements, but at the same time his party and him have some Religious Jews as well in his party. I don't see why it would be MORE of a problem for Bayit Yehudi to make a strategic (temporary) alliance with them then with the Haredim or anyone else. And by the way the Haredi party(ies) especially the Askenasi one was talking about "taking revenge" against the Settlers. So I think the fact that Bayit Yehudi now is in the coalition that is destroying their ideology and their funding is such is a great thing. Not anti-Semitic at all and a much needed action that will solve a lot of the problem's especially down the line.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Binyamin Yisrael on March 10, 2014, 02:27:14 PM
That's what happens when the Bolshevik media bombards everyone with the Obama and his wife. You see them everywhere. Even on ads in Yahoo Mail, you see them. So everyone once and a while, someone might say Michelle Obama by accident.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Binyamin Yisrael on March 10, 2014, 02:33:13 PM
Why would the Israeli Navy publically desecrate Shabbat by recording Kiddush? The status quo in Israel is that official functions of the State other than Pikuach Nefesh have to keep Shabbat. Even Netanyahu walks back to his hotel on Friday Night when abroad.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 10, 2014, 05:15:31 PM
Why would the Israeli Navy publically desecrate Shabbat by recording Kiddush? The status quo in Israel is that official functions of the State other than Pikuach Nefesh have to keep Shabbat. Even Netanyahu walks back to his hotel on Friday Night when abroad.
I thought the same thing at first, BUT their are ways that what they did was perfectly fine as well. For example the person doing Kiddush and others in the room took in Shabbat early before Sunset and the camera men did not take in Shabbat yet. Or it could be that that person personally doesn't keep Shabbat and just decided to record with his phone or something.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Israel Chai on March 10, 2014, 09:08:38 PM
I get what you're saying about the videos. I spent 10 hours promoting one, and got an extra 60 views. Granted, it was only posted on 300 of my 1500+ potential pages, but it's not worth the time.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 10, 2014, 11:37:26 PM
Chaim their is nothing "anti-Semitic" is wanting Haredim to participate in the army. I can't believe you said that. Can you please let me know why you changed directions in regards to Haredim?
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Binyamin Yisrael on March 11, 2014, 12:10:04 AM
Chaim their is nothing "anti-Semitic" is wanting Haredim to participate in the army. I can't believe you said that. Can you please let me know why you changed directions in regards to Haredim?
I agree with Chaim. Even if it was okay to force Haredim to join the army, the fact that this is from the Amalekite Yair LaPig is a reason to be against it. This is especially so for an army that would rather throw good Jews in jail for refusing to destroy Jewish homes than protect the Land of Israel and that would rather protect the lives of Arab "civilians" than the lives of Jewish soldiers.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 11, 2014, 12:31:46 AM
I agree with Chaim. Even if it was okay to force Haredim to join the army, the fact that this is from the Amalekite Yair LaPig is a reason to be against it. This is especially so for an army that would rather throw good Jews in jail for refusing to destroy Jewish homes than protect the Land of Israel and that would rather protect the lives of Arab "civilians" than the lives of Jewish soldiers.
Dude come on. That's not the majority of what it does. I never claim or claimed that I agree with everything they did and do but when you really see it OVERALL, its a different picture. If no army, no nation. Plain and simple as that.
And I hate such vile language of calling him or others "Amalikites". Its way over the top and quite sickening especially after the Haredim have been using it against Dati-Leumi Jews recently.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Binyamin Yisrael on March 11, 2014, 12:36:12 AM
Chaim has said the same thing I said multiple times. Maybe you are too young to remember the Expulsion in 2005. I was in Israel during the Expulsion. It was a really upsetting event.
Do you remember Amona? Ehud Smolmert sent soldiers on horseback to beat up Israeli teenage girls. Remember Amona was the call like Remember The Alamo.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Binyamin Yisrael on March 11, 2014, 12:40:53 AM
There are enough soldiers in the army.
I remember Chaim said all good Jews should refuse to serve the day of the Expulsion so Expulsion troops would be sent elsewhere to things that were necessary for security. Israel has enough soldiers. The extra soldiers are used to expel Jews. Others are made career radio personalities like the pig Lapid. I remember how evil his father was when they were first elected in 1999.
ANY party that runs on an anti-religious platform qualifies it as an Amalekite party. That was literally the whole raison d'etre of his father's evil party. He looks even more vicious than his late and unlamented father who was ashamed of his Hebrew name Yosef and preferred to be Tommy.
The reason Lapid has religious Jews in his party is so people won't claim his party is anti-religious. Chaim said that's baloney. The party supports homosexuality so anyone claiming to be a rabbi is not a real rabbi according to Chaim if they are in that party.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 11, 2014, 12:48:20 AM
Chaim has said the same thing I said multiple times. Maybe you are too young to remember the Expulsion in 2005. I was in Israel during the Expulsion. It was a really upsetting event.
Do you remember Amona? Ehud Smolmert sent soldiers on horseback to beat up Israeli teenage girls. Remember Amona was the call like Remember The Alamo.
No one should take part in any Amona or Gush Katif type thing.
-Rav Kahane served in the IDF and that was after something worse then Amona and Gush Katif- it was after the Altellena incident and other very serious problems as well. - Haredi "protest" has NOTHING to do with Amona nor Gush Katif. In fact now they are seeking "revenge" against the Settlers because of Bayit Yehudi (who's base is the Settlers).
"ANY party that runs on an anti-religious platform "
Yesh Atid don't say they are an anti-religious party, and it isn't their platform. They include Rabbis (#2, and Lipman as well). I'm not endorsing them I'm just saying that when you said anyone running in an anti-religious platform, that isn't true. They aren't about being anti-religious.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Binyamin Yisrael on March 11, 2014, 12:53:36 AM
Chaim told me on Ask JTF that Lipman is not a real rabbi. I couldn't find the link. It must have been about one year ago. He certainly doesn't represent the "Anglo Jews" in Israel. "Anglo Jews" vote for the National Union party. I voted for the National Union and I was betrayed by Bennett, like Chaim said.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 11, 2014, 12:57:07 AM
Anglo Jews voted for different parties including Yesh Atid.
National Union? You mean the Bayit Yehudi?
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Binyamin Yisrael on March 11, 2014, 01:01:08 AM
Anglo Jews voted for different parties including Yesh Atid.
The majority of Anglo Jews, at least the Religious Zionist ones, hold by Arutz 7 and would support a party like The National Union. Ketzaleh was a better leader than Bennett. I don't know why they had to put a phony as leader. Just look at him with Lapid. He looks effeminate in those pictures. His voters HATE Lapid. If there is a primary where any of his voters would be able to pick a leader, he would lose. But most Israeli parties don't have open primaries.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 11, 2014, 01:05:24 AM
The BY will grow in next elections expecially with Bennett (my prediction). The other party before didn't grow and was running into extinction. Lapid will probably slide, as will the Haredim especially Shas (w/e Rav Ovadia)
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Binyamin Yisrael on March 11, 2014, 01:08:52 AM
I was thinking what did you mean by BY but then I realized Bayit Yehudi. I forgot they didn't use the name National Union in the election. Bayit Yehudi in the 2009 Election was even worse than under Bennett.
I voted in the 2003 and 2013 elections. The first time for National Union when they had a joint ticket with Lieberman's Yisrael Beiteinu. Even then, there was a traitor in YB that voted for the Expulsion. In 2013 I voted for Bayit Yehudi. I didn't vote in the other elections because Israeli doesn't have absentee ballots but I was in Israel for a month last year so I was able to vote.
I also voted for the late and unlamented fat pig in 2001 in the only special election for PM where the only choices were Sharon and Barak. Of course Sharon was the worse betrayal in Israeli History.
In 2003, Sharon included Shinui but at least that time, the National Union and NRP did not make an alliance with the late and unlamented Amalek, Sr.. The Bolsheviks said that was the most Right Wing government. Sharon should have included Shas and UTJ and he would have had 69 seats but he chose the evil Shinui Party and settle for 68 seats, just like Netanyahu betrayed the Right Wing voters by having Amalek, Jr. in his coalition at the expense of the Haredim. Real Ahavat Yisrael would have ALL religious parties in the government. I can't blame Shas and UTJ for being mad at Bennett for making a pact with Amalek. It's wrong to make a pact with that hideous party. Bennett could have offered to join the government on his own without getting Ein Atid involved.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: kahaneloyalist on March 11, 2014, 04:53:44 AM
Tag, I am not against military service. I think it is a big mitzvah. But from all I have seen I do not believe that Yesh Atid and their supporters truly care if the Haredi serve or not. What Yesh Atid really wants is to de-Judaize the Charedim. The goal is to force them into the IDF in a irreligious or even anti-religious atmosphere with the hope of causing them to abandon Torah.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: ChabadKahanist on March 11, 2014, 05:38:50 AM
As much as I dislike Lapid,he did one great service for the Jewish nation by keeping both Shas & UTJ out of the government. I hate both because they will sell out settlements for welfare shekels.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 11, 2014, 10:15:35 AM
" I can't blame Shas and UTJ for being mad at Bennett for making a pact with Amalek. It's wrong to make a pact with that hideous party. Bennett could have offered to join the government on his own without getting Ein Atid involved. "
Dude what don't you understand about the political system? BY first went and asked to make an alliance with the Haredi parties. THEY refused. Then he made a strategic alliance with Yesh Atid. Its that simple. People work with people they can work with. BOTH parties got an advantage working together and having a stronger block in the government. From the point of view of BY why does or would it matter? Their alliance only made them stronger and any other alternative wouldn't be good. So why not? And their support will only grow coming next election. While all of these other 3 parties will drop.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 11, 2014, 10:34:45 AM
Also to add 1 more thing to what I was saying earlier about BY and Haredim, and Yesh Atid. It was from the Haredim that insults such as "Amalek" and such have been thrown from and not from Yesh Atid. So again why would or should the BY work with Haredim when some of them refer to you as "Amalek" and other such insults? After that I would just tell them to go **** themselves.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Israel Chai on March 11, 2014, 10:30:30 PM
Also to add 1 more thing to what I was saying earlier about BY and Haredim, and Yesh Atid. It was from the Haredim that insults such as "Amalek" and such have been thrown from and not from Yesh Atid. So again why would or should the BY work with Haredim when some of them refer to you as "Amalek" and other such insults? After that I would just tell them to go **** themselves.
Hardeim have referred to JTF as Amalek?
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 11, 2014, 11:45:16 PM
Read my post again. I was saying from the perspective of the Bayit Yehudi. Why would or should they comply with the Haredim after what they have been saying against them? Anyway I don't think Haredim know of JTF but to them JTF would either be just the same or maybe even worse (I don't know). But we are in the Religious Zionist world and not them (Haredim).
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Ephraim Ben Noach on March 11, 2014, 11:51:28 PM
ALL Haredim should be burned at the stake! All those evil G-d hating SOB's
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: muman613 on March 12, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
Read my post again. I was saying from the perspective of the Bayit Yehudi. Why would or should they comply with the Haredim after what they have been saying against them? Anyway I don't think Haredim know of JTF but to them JTF would either be just the same or maybe even worse (I don't know). But we are in the Religious Zionist world and not them (Haredim).
Don't act like Haredim are praised. We both need to make efforts to come together.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: ChabadKahanist on March 12, 2014, 04:46:43 AM
Not all Chareidim are the same. For example both Chabad & some Breslov are against giving up land. The ones to worry about are Shas & UTJ. Crooks & liars of the highest order.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Israel Chai on March 12, 2014, 05:07:16 AM
Not all Chareidim are the same. For example both Chabad & some Breslov are against giving up land. The ones to worry about are Shas & UTJ. Crooks & liars of the highest order.
What's UTJ? Which Breslovers are for giving up land??
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: ChabadKahanist on March 12, 2014, 05:13:26 AM
13. Some Breslover Chassidim travel to Rebbe Nachman's gravesite in Uman in the Ukraine. Why?
Rebbe Nachman made a promise no other Tzaddik in the whole of Jewish history has ever made. Taking two of his closest followers as witnesses, he said: `When my days are ended and I leave this world I will intercede for anyone who comes to my grave, recites the Ten Psalms of the Tikkun HaKlali, and gives some charity. No matter how serious his sins and transgressions, I will do everything in my power to save him and cleanse him. I will span the length and breadth of the Creation for him. By his peyot, his sidecurls, I will pull him out of Hell!' (Rabbi Nachman's Wisdom #141).
The practice of visiting the graves of the Tzaddikim to pray is an ancient one, going back to biblical times (Rashi, Numbers 13:22) and was well known in Talmudic times (see Sotah 13a; Zohar II:70b). Even today, many visit the cemetery before the High Holidays, to pray for good health and a successful year. After the death of the Tzaddik, his soul is permanently absorbed in God's infinity. Since according to the Kabbalah the nefesh, the lowest part of the soul, remains at the gravesite, this is a fitting place for Jews to pray to become attached to the infinity of God. While visiting the graves of Tzaddikim has its definite material benefits, the desire to be a good Jew, to serve God with all one's heart, is the focal point of the trip to Uman.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 12, 2014, 05:43:17 PM
Muman- Rebbe Nachman promised, so what? He isn't G-D or on the level of any Tanna yet their are many many great Taanaim in EY and its a real waste and pity to go to that sh^t-hole called "Ukraine" and Uman in order to go visit that grave. (W/E just realized I was aying this before and no need of repeating this conversation).
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: muman613 on March 12, 2014, 08:01:29 PM
Muman- Rebbe Nachman promised, so what? He isn't G-D or on the level of any Tanna yet their are many many great Taanaim in EY and its a real waste and pity to go to that sh^t-hole called "Ukraine" and Uman in order to go visit that grave. (W/E just realized I was aying this before and no need of repeating this conversation).
I really don't know what your problem with Breslev is... Nobody ever said he was 'G-d' that I know... It is believed, according to Chassidic tradition, that there is a concept of Tzadik (actually there are 36 hidden tzadikim in the world), and Rabbi Nachman was one such Tzadik. Those who associate with Breslev attempt to learn the Torah of Rebbe Nachman and his Likutie Moran (his famous writings).
It is really odd you don't know this, or you are just continuing the attempt to create machloket in Klal Yisroel.
As I said, in my opinion he could be moved, but I am tired of arguing with you about this. You can have any opinion on the topic you want, but I doubt you will really change anything.
What did Breslev ever do to you to deserve such disrespect?
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 12, 2014, 10:04:22 PM
What did Breslev ever do to you to deserve such disrespect?
Dude, know the difference between disagreement and disrespect.
+ to say he isn't on the level of the Tannaim isn't even an implication of any disrespect. EVERYONE knows that. So what's the big deal to go to 1 grave in Uman (don't forget Nazi anti-semites, that are taking in the tourist $) and leave Israel (or not go to Israel) (where $ can go to Jews and Jewish causes) where their are many many many such graves? + the whole obsession with graves isn't healthy. We strive for the land of the living and not the land(s) of the dead (especially Europe and the Galut in general).
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: muman613 on March 13, 2014, 02:21:09 AM
Dude, know the difference between disagreement and disrespect.
+ to say he isn't on the level of the Tannaim isn't even an implication of any disrespect. EVERYONE knows that. So what's the big deal to go to 1 grave in Uman (don't forget Nazi anti-semites, that are taking in the tourist $) and leave Israel (or not go to Israel) (where $ can go to Jews and Jewish causes) where their are many many many such graves? + the whole obsession with graves isn't healthy. We strive for the land of the living and not the land(s) of the dead (especially Europe and the Galut in general).
If you ever met and spoke with Breslev Chassids you would know that they are especially alive. How you could suggest that they dwell on death is beyond me. Both Chabad and Breslov both make pilgrimages to their Rebbes graves, and there is nothing morbid about it.
Tell me what rabbis you consider Taanim today? There are none because the era of Tanaaim ended in 190 CE... So what is your point? There were many great Chassidic Tzadiks and I respect them. You apparently can't give a hoot...
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 13, 2014, 02:24:23 AM
Did I say that they are "dead"? I said that the galuth represents death and destruction. Eress Yisrael (the land of Israel) represents and is the land of the living.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: muman613 on March 13, 2014, 02:26:58 AM
Did I say that they are "dead"? I said that the galuth represents death and destruction. Eress Yisrael (the land of Israel) represents and is the land of the living.
The mystical and other sources indicate that the entire world will be filled with Hashem. There are sparks spread through-out the exile, and unless you know something I don't, Moshiach has not come. It is believed this is due to the fact that more rectification is needed.
Breslevers made Aliyah very early on... They have established yeshivas in Eretz Yisroel, they for the most part are pro modern state... So they want to fulfill the wishes of their tzadik... I do not think it is a reason to do what you are doing.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Israel Chai on March 13, 2014, 02:31:06 AM
The mystical and other sources indicate that the entire world will be filled with Hashem. There are sparks spread through-out the exile, and unless you know something I don't, Moshiach has not come. It is believed this is due to the fact that more rectification is needed.
Breslevers made Aliyah very early on... They have established yeshivas in Eretz Yisroel, they for the most part are pro modern state... So they want to fulfill the wishes of their tzadik... I do not think it is a reason to do what you are doing.
He's been going postal recently. Tag, stay away from that Dana, Zevi Chaim, and their fanboys. These are really despicable people, and even though a broken clock is right twice a day, it's broken, and will lead you astray.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 13, 2014, 12:21:09 PM
LKZ- but you were saying the exact things I was saying about going to the exile! So why say I'm doing something wrong when you said the same thing (in fact harsher language then me)
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 13, 2014, 01:21:09 PM
He's been going postal recently. Tag, stay away from that Dana, Zevi Chaim, and their fanboys. These are really despicable people, and even though a broken clock is right twice a day, it's broken, and will lead you astray.
Not true. Either way they don't get me riled up against the Haredi ideology. You want to know what makes me go against Haredi ideology more than anything else? For example its these types of constant statements.
LKZ- but you were saying the exact things I was saying about going to the exile! So why say I'm doing something wrong when you said the same thing (in fact harsher language then me)
Attack their positions, not them. Remember how change works?
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 13, 2014, 09:51:42 PM
C'mon brah. Understand what Rav. Mizrachi is. We need transitory groups for Satmar.
Transition? Meaning that he is to bring their message and send it over to the public especially the Sefardi- (naturally or culturally) "Right-Wing" public and then bring in the Satmar Haskoffa to them!
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 14, 2014, 12:15:43 PM
C'mon brah. Understand what Rav. Mizrachi is. We need transitory groups for Satmar.
Satmar doesn't roll like that. As long as someone is part of Satmar they are to follow their Rebbe (now Rebbe's) and their instruction. You won't get any "transition", and stop playing with BS. I'm calling a spade a spade. These "Haskaffot" are dangerous.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Israel Chai on March 14, 2014, 01:03:45 PM
Satmar doesn't roll like that. As long as someone is part of Satmar they are to follow their Rebbe (now Rebbe's) and their instruction. You won't get any "transition", and stop playing with BS. I'm calling a spade a spade. These "Haskaffot" are dangerous.
There's been successes.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Tag-MehirTzedek on March 14, 2014, 05:24:43 PM
How so? I would say almost the OPPOSITE. Its not our Haskaffa going to Satmar, but the Satmar Haskaffa gaining ground into other groups including Sefardim.
Title: Re: Ask JTF for March 9, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
Post by: Israel Chai on March 17, 2014, 12:29:40 AM
How so? I would say almost the OPPOSITE. Its not our Haskaffa going to Satmar, but the Satmar Haskaffa gaining ground into other groups including Sefardim.
Not at all, the Satmar are giving up on their anti-Israel positions, and the sephardim aren't leaving their shuls because of Rabbi mizrachi. Don't you see the "why you should support Israel" video on his site. And really, if a sephardim chilinom gets a count haskafot here and there and becomes religious, what's the problem?