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What are your favorite Passover Traditions? By the 8th day, how many of you are sick of Matzoh?
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What are your favorite Passover Traditions? By the 8th day, how many of you are sick of Matzoh?
I like Gefilte Fish, and I usually only eat it on Shabbat and during Pesach (of course Kosher for Pesach gefilte fish)...
I do not think of it as being 'sick of matzoh' so much as not having to eat it. I surely enjoy resuming consumption of chametz, but I find religious reason to abstain from eating it... To satisfy the commandment...
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Not sick of Massa at all. Love it.
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Favorite tradition- Reading the Haggadah and understanding it well.
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Not so much Pesach itself, but I find the constant shop closures and chagim from Pesach through to Yom Hatzmaout, Yom Hazicharon, along with the mounting hot weather at the end a bit hard.
I get spelt or oat matzah on Pesach b/c I get stomach pains on wheat.
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My father has a funny story about Passover and the length of the holiday. When my dad was a kid, he went to shul for Passover services. On the last day of the holiday, the rabbi said, "I declare Passover for this year is now over. When you leave, please go to the local Chinese resturant because the owner has been suffering from bad business this past week." No Joke.
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Not so much Pesach itself, but I find the constant shop closures and chagim from Pesach through to Yom Hatzmaout, Yom Hazicharon, along with the mounting hot weather at the end a bit hard.
I get spelt or oat matzah on Pesach b/c I get stomach pains on wheat.
During the week its fine but for the Seder night and being Yotzi for it can be problematic. Eat the size of an olive worth of Massa at the Seder night, it wont be a problem. (About 3 to 5 grams minimally).
Oats- the Beracha is Haadama and you don't fulfill your obligation. Spelt- I am not too sure, but its a big question definitely.
Wheat and Barely is for sure good and I would suggest you eat one of these (at least the minimum amount I specified for the Seder night at least). After eating that amount (and its very small) you can then eat Oat and other Massa and foods as well.
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My father has a funny story about Passover and the length of the holiday. When my dad was a kid, he went to shul for Passover services. On the last day of the holiday, the rabbi said, "I declare Passover for this year is now over. When you leave, please go to the local Chinese resturant because the owner has been suffering from bad business this past week." No Joke.
Yea but they get much more business the week before Passover. Look at all the restaurants a few days before Passover and they are packed. Many people clean the house in advance and clean the ovens and such so they don't cook in the last few days. So they are having many of their meals eating out (more than usually), so the restaurants are making good $ at this time.
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When i was younger about 3-7 we lived in New Haven Conn. About a mile and 1/2 outside of the city they had a kosher slaughter house i enjoyed when they performed the shechita on cows.They had this long knife with no point it was nice
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When i was younger about 3-7 we lived in New Haven Conn. About a mile and 1/2 outside of the city they had a kosher slaughter house i enjoyed when they performed the shechita on cows.They had this long knife with no point it was nice
:::D That's some Taliban Sh^t. You cracked me up.
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I like gefilte fish if it is made right & every year after my wife makes it goes out the window to the cats.
Sephardim do not know from gefilte fish.
So nowadays I prefer salmon or filet fish is sauce.
I only eat shmura matzos the whole week hand made only,but I allow my wife to eat the machine.
No reason to push my chumros on her.
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I like gefilte fish if it is made right & every year after my wife makes it goes out the window to the cats.
Sephardim do not know from gefilte fish.
So nowadays I prefer salmon or filet fish is sauce.
I only eat shmura matzos the whole week hand made only,but I allow my wife to eat the machine.
No reason to push my chumros on her.
What's the Humra in this case?
Ooh do you mean you eat hand made Shmura but allow your wife to eat Machine (non-Shmura) ?
I personally have Machine Shmurra, for the Seder and probably for the whole Hag as well although I don't take it upon myself as a neder or anything. Just will eat this unless something else happens (like if I ran out or I get invited to someone's house or something else).
May I ask why hand made only? What is the difference or preference for the hand made over the Machine made if both are Shmurra?
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What's the Humra in this case?
Ooh do you mean you eat hand made Shmura but allow your wife to eat Machine (non-Shmura) ?
I personally have Machine Shmurra, for the Seder and probably for the whole Hag as well although I don't take it upon myself as a neder or anything. Just will eat this unless something else happens (like if I ran out or I get invited to someone's house or something else).
May I ask why hand made only? What is the difference or preference for the hand made over the Machine made if both are Shmurra?
According to some hand made is more machmir & according to others machine shmura is more machmir either is fine but I prefer hand made which chasidim are particular consider more machmir.
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According to some hand made is more machmir & according to others machine shmura is more machmir either is fine but I prefer hand made which chasidim are particular consider more machmir.
They are actually totally equal. The only "preference" although very very minute possibility is that the Machine in affect can't be Hamess and the hand made especially the extremely "Haredi type" Massa can become Hamess if and when they put it in a very extremely hot oven and the top get's burnt and their is dough inside that doesn't get cooked.
I also heard it claimed that hand made is made for the Mitsswah, but then again why wouldn't the machine made not be? I mean really, who would do the Massa's especially the Shmurra and when pressing the button not have it Lishma just the same as the Hand made.
Either way I get the Machine Schmurra. It is cheaper, it tastes better (isn't burnt). And on top of that one can see the grams in the nutrition panel to see how much to divide it up for the Kzait (although this isn't really an issue as I and most of us eat much more then the Kzait which is only ~3.5 or even more then 5 grams)
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They are actually totally equal. The only "preference" although very very minute possibility is that the Machine in affect can't be Hamess and the hand made especially the extremely "Haredi type" Massa can become Hamess if and when they put it in a very extremely hot oven and the top get's burnt and their is dough inside that doesn't get cooked.
I also heard it claimed that hand made is made for the Mitsswah, but then again why wouldn't the machine made not be? I mean really, who would do the Massa's especially the Shmurra and when pressing the button not have it Lishma just the same as the Hand made.
Either way I get the Machine Schmurra. It is cheaper, it tastes better (isn't burnt). And on top of that one can see the grams in the nutrition panel to see how much to divide it up for the Kzait (although this isn't really an issue as I and most of us eat much more then the Kzait which is only ~3.5 or even more then 5 grams)
Either is just fine for the seder.
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Shmura (Mitzvah) Matzah for me during the 1st two seder nights and days.... Then Machine matzah is fine by me...
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Here is what Chabad says about it:
http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/1680/jewish/Handmade-and-Machine-Made-Matzah.htm
About one hundred and fifty years ago, a machine was designed for baking matzah. Most of the process was automated and the matzot were untouched by human hands.
The introduction of the machine created a difference of opinion among the halachic authorities of that time, a difference of opinion which continues to this very day. Some authorities permitted the machine made matzot, whereas others prohibited them. Both sides offered reasons to support their contentions.
Those who permitted the use of the machine made matzot contended that these matzot are preferable, since the automated process is faster than making matzot by hand and there is thus less possibility of the dough becoming chametz, provided that special care is taken to ensure that the machinery is kept clean and that no dough is allowed to remain in the machinery between the processing of one batch and the next.
Those who prohibited the use of machine made matzot contended that baking matzah requires conscious intent that it is being done for the purpose of fulfilling the mitzvah.
Machines can have no intent, and thus, matzot prepared by machine lack this prerequisite. They also pointed out that the intricacy of the machinery makes it extremely difficult to ensure that no dough remains in the grooves or gears, for if dough is left in the machinery, it will render subsequent batches chametz.
Furthermore, since the parts of the machinery are made of metal and generate friction, the heat may cause the dough to ferment more rapidly.
Additionally, our tradition that fermentation occurs if the dough is left unworked for eighteen minutes applies to dough that was prepared by hand.
We have no tradition as to when this will occur in dough prepared by machine. Because it is feasible that such dough will ferment more quickly, we should be stringent, these authorities contend, and retain the original hand method of preparation.
Another objection was raised as well. The use of these matzot was liable to harm the poor, for many indigent families looked forward to the several weeks before Passover when there were abundant work opportunities in the bakeries and they could earn enough money to provide their families with the holiday needs.
Those who permitted the use of machine made matzot, and they are the majority today, countered all these arguments, and it is generally accepted that the obligation of eating matzah on Passover can be fulfilled with machine made matzot.
Nevertheless, many people take great pains to use handmade matzot for the mitzvah of eating matzah at the Seder. Some people are even more stringent and will use only handmade matzot all of Passover.
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My Buby's fried Matzoh for breakfast. YUMMMMY!!
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Muman didn't read your article (at least yet) but this is the funniest and saddest reason I read some place else
"He provided a sociological reason for the poor. Since the cost of Matzos would lower considerably people would no longer provide them with charitable contributions. ”
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Not sick of Massa at all. Love it.
Did you get the soft stuff? Or you're saying you enjoy the ashkenazi style bakery stuff?
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Did you get the soft stuff? Or you're saying you enjoy the ashkenazi style bakery stuff?
Naa, unfortunately. Darn, you reminded me now and yea I could have had it better.
But either way I don't mind the "Askenasi style" machine Massa's as well. I like them also, but would like to do the Korech properly next time perhaps. And not just have a wrap but may we soon have the full way with the soft Massa, the Korban Pessah inside and the marror inside as well. Basically a Passover swarma.
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I love love LOVE charoset!
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I love love LOVE charoset!
Did you get those (soft) Massas?
- Me 2. Especially when it has a lot of whine added to it.
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Does anyone like making pizzas out of matzoh? Or making eggs in the morning with crumbled matzoh. There is also chocolate covered matzoh mmm.
I love charoset too. A few days ago I had Persian charoset sample at my shul's women's group and it was incredible. Looking forward to the seders, it's going to be fantastic! :)
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Does anyone like making pizzas out of matzoh? Or making eggs in the morning with crumbled matzoh. There is also chocolate covered matzoh mmm.
I love charoset too. A few days ago I had Persian charoset sample at my shul's women's group and it was incredible. Looking forward to the seders, it's going to be fantastic! :)
Matzah Pizza is not my favorite... It just doesn't have the 'pizza crust' aspect of pizza... But I throw just about anything on my Matzah...
PB&J (Peanut Butter & Jelly)
Tuna
Cheese Tomatoe & Lettuce
I don't think anyone dislikes Charoset.... It is SWEET!
http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/2002/jewish/The-Paste.htm
A mixture of apples, nuts and wine which resembles the mortar and brick made by the Jews when they toiled for Pharaoh.
Preparation: Shell walnuts and peel apples and chop finely. Mix together and add a small amount of wine.
Role in the Seder: This is used as a type of relish into which the maror is dipped (and then shaken off) before eating.
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Peanut butter is kitniyot and is available for the first time this year under the OU. But I thought you are Ashkenazic.
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Some 'Kosher for Passover' recipes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn6-xPL6Qi8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5qPFFI5wWc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUr25_Od8y8
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Peanut butter is kitniyot and is available for the first time this year under the OU. But I thought you are Ashkenazic.
Ok, I got a little excited... I don't eat PB&J during Pesach, but when I have left-over matzah (as I usually do because I buy several boxes of machine matzah besides the shmura matzah)... I like PB&J on matzah...
I know we don't eat peanuts on Passover...
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Ashkenazim used to use peanut oil even though they didn't use actual peanuts.
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Matzah Pizza is not my favorite... It just doesn't have the 'pizza crust' aspect of pizza.
That's true. In my case, it's easy because I love thin crispy crust pizza, so it works for me ;)
I'm pretty open to recipes. The only thing I hate is matzah kugel.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KfyoUYD1BA
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Ashkenazim used to use peanut oil even though they didn't use actual peanuts.
Some still do because it is considered mei kitniyos or a derivative so according to Rav Moshe,ZT"L,ZY"A it's allowed.
I don't use it because most Ashkenazim are strict about it,but for those who do Rav Moshe is a more than sufficient source to rely on.
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True, Kitniyot is only forbidden from being eaten during Pesach, but we are permitted to own it and have it in our homes, and benefit from it...
We are not permitted to own, posses, or have any Chametz during the 8 days...
http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/1686/jewish/More-on-Chametz.htm
Chametz may not be consumed on Passover, either by eating it, or dissolving it in water and drinking it, and no benefit may be derived from it. It must be either burned or destroyed of in some manner.
Even a minute particle of chametz is forbidden on Passover. Even if the amount of chametz in a mixture is only 1/1000th of the total, the entire mixture is forbidden as chametz!
However, if chametz became mixed into food before Passover, it is nullified, provided that it is less than 1/60th of the volume of the entire mixture and that it has become completely dissolved into the mixture and cannot be discerned.
It is forbidden to eat chametz from midday on the fourteenth of Nissan, that is, from the beginning of the seventh hour. One who transgresses this prohibition is subject to lashes according to the Torah, for the verse states (Deuteronomy 16:3): You shall not eat chametz with it [the Paschal sacrifice]. The traditional explanation for this verse is that the prohibition of eating chametz starts from the time when the Passover sacrifice could be offered after midday of the fourteenth of Nissan.
The Sages, in order to prevent people from transgressing the prohibition inadvertently, decreed that the prohibition of eating and deriving benefit from chametz starts at the beginning of the sixth hour. Thus, during the sixth hour, the prohibition is Rabbinic; afterwards the prohibition is from the Torah.
One who willfully eats a piece of chametz which is as big as an olive, from the night of the fifteenth of Nissan until the end of the twenty first of Nissan incurs the penalty called karet, Divine excision, for the verse states: For whoever eats chametz, that soul shall be cut off from Israel (Exodus, 12:15).
One is permanently forbidden to derive any benefit from chametz which remained in one's possession during Passover. This prohibition is a penalty which the Sages levied to punish the person for having transgressed the Torah prohibitions of not seeing or having chametz in one's possession during Passover.
This penalty applies whether the chametz remained in his possession on purpose or by accident or through oversight. The Sages levied this penalty so that people would not leave chametz in their possession for use after Passover (ibid.).
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http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-passover-kitniyos.htm
Why are kitniyos forbidden for consumption on Pesach. The Mishna Brura enumerates a number of reasons. One reason is that there is a possibility that chometz grains could be mixed amongst the kitniyos grains, creating an inadvertent yet real chometz problem when the grains are cooked together. Another reason posited is that if kitniyos products would be permitted, confusion within the general public could mistaking permitted kitniyos flour and forbidden chometz flour. Although these might not be problems of epidemic proportions, the Rema considered them to be real enough to forbid the eating of kitniyos on Pesach. Sephardim check the kitniyos grains three times to make sure no chometz grains are intermixed withiin the kitniyos, and then permit their use on Pesach.
The kitniyos restriction is not as all encompassing as chometz. One does not sell kitniyos as he would chometz.One may derive benefit from kitniyos and may use them for non-eating purposes, such as fuel for candle lighting and heating or for pet food. It is important to note that in the case of medications, kitniyos restrictions are not applicable, and pills that use corn starch as binders would be permissible for medication.
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Kfar Chabad's video on making Matzah Pizza...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxmTxmE3u3g
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During the week its fine but for the Seder night and being Yotzi for it can be problematic. Eat the size of an olive worth of Massa at the Seder night, it wont be a problem. (About 3 to 5 grams minimally).
Oats- the Beracha is Haadama and you don't fulfill your obligation. Spelt- I am not too sure, but its a big question definitely.
Wheat and Barely is for sure good and I would suggest you eat one of these (at least the minimum amount I specified for the Seder night at least). After eating that amount (and its very small) you can then eat Oat and other Massa and foods as well.
Thanks, I did not know that.
Next year I won't buy oat matzah, I'll just get the spelt. I think spelt is counted the same as wheat.
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Thanks, I did not know that.
Next year I won't buy oat matzah, I'll just get the spelt. I think spelt is counted the same as wheat.
Again Spelt is a question mark as well. Just get wheat, its widely available and the most common Massa everywhere. You can also get Barely but I don't see it as much as the wheat one's.
If you want to eat the other Massa's you can. But for the minimum for the seder night eat either Wheat or Barley Massas.
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Again Spelt is a question mark as well. Just get wheat, its widely available and the most common Massa everywhere. You can also get Barely but I don't see it as much as the wheat one's.
If you want to eat the other Massa's you can. But for the minimum for the seder night eat either Wheat or Barley Massas.
What is massas ?
Do you mean matzos.
Nobody says massas they say either matzos,matzot or matzoth.
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What is massas ?
Do you mean matzos.
Nobody says massas they say either matzos,matzot or matzoth.
Massa= 1 Massot= many
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What is massas ?
Do you mean matzos.
Nobody says massas they say either matzos,matzot or matzoth.
He's into the pronunciation that Rabbi Bar Chayim teaches. He acutally meant to write massot. By ss, he means tzadi. He spelled it massas to make it seem like an English plural word.
I think it's silly that people think the singular is matzo. When I see it that way, I just read it as if it said matzah. If I see the plural spelled matzos, I read it as matzot.
The English is matzah and matzas. The Hebrew is matzah and matzot. The Ashkenazic Hebrew is matzah and matzos.
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Massa= 1 Massot= many
So why not write matzos oe matzot like everybody else?
I have never seen anybody transliterate it like that before.
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Did you get those (soft) Massas?
- Me 2. Especially when it has a lot of whine added to it.
I actually forgot again this year. Lol
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Peanut butter is kitniyot and is available for the first time this year under the OU. But I thought you are Ashkenazic.
Peanuts are NOT Kitniyot!! They routinely ate peanuts during Pesach in Russia. Most poskim hold that the custom (if one can call it that) of kitniyot ( if one follows it) applies ONLY to those foods which were included and considered kitniyot in europe where this originated and was practiced. So a food that was not known there would not count even if it has similar properties (example quinoa) or a food that one might think was kitniyot based on its properties but was nevertheless eaten routinely does not fall under this custom. Peanuts is such a food. Rav Isser Zalman Meltzer attested that in russia it was customary to put out peanuts for the guests during Pesach.
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Talk of Kitniyot reminds me of this
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154025984185022&set=a.10150158077100022.413728.552445021&type=1&theater
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Again there is machloket concerning the issue of Peanutes re: Kitniyot... A) Are peanuts considered Kitniyot & B) Is oil derived from Peanuts permitted or forbidden...
I cannot find a definitive answer via the web at this time:
More from that Star-K site:
http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-passover-kitniyos.htm#list
Kitniyos Derivatives
There is a question amongst poskim as to whether kitniyos derivatives, such as corn oil, would be considered part of the ban and, thus, forbidden. Maybe these derivatives could be considered a separate category, “shemen kitniyos,” exclusive of the kitniyos restriction. There are additional reservations linked to peanuts and peanut oil , and whether are peanuts considered to be a legume i.e. kitniyos. Subsequently, peanut oil would present less of a problem than other kitniyos oils. Due to this sfeka, compounded doubt, Rav Moshe Feinstein zt”l permitted the use of peanut oil on Pesach. Nevertheless, most reputable kashrus agencies in the United States and Israel do not permit the use of shemen kitniyos in their products, nor do they use peanut oil.
However, over the years products bearing a Kosher for Passover certification have used kitniyos-derived ingredients in their Kosher for Passover products. A common example of a kitniyos-derived product is corn syrup. Corn syrup is one of the leading versatile sweeteners in the food industry today. It is produced through a conversion process, whereby the white starchy of the corn kernel is converted into sugar. This is typically accomplished by using hydrochloric acid and enzymes or the less commonly used hydrochloric acid alone without the assistance of enzymes. In the corn sweetener industry today, enzymes are a key component in the conversion process and are commonly derived from barley, which is chometz.
What is of great halachic consequence is the halachic perception of these “corn converted” products. Since the final product is in liquid form, it was and still is considered to be shemen kitniyos by some authorities. Other poskim posit that there is an intrinsic difference between classical shemen kitniyos, i.e. oil that is pressed out of the kernel, and a liquid corn syrup converted from the actual starch. The liquid is not shemen kitniyos, it is actual kitniyos.
http://www.chabad.org/search/keyword_cdo/kid/12275/jewish/Kitniyot-Legumes.htm
Kitniyot (Legumes): Ashkenazi Jews refrain from eating kitniyot (legumes) on Passover. This prohibition includes rice, beans, peanuts and corn, as well as other items.
https://www.kby.org/english/torat-yavneh/view.asp?id=3951
Rav Moshe Feinstein, in Igros Moshe (Orach Chaim vol. III, Siman 63) discusses whether peanuts fall under the category of kitniyos or not. He says that since the prohibition against kitniyos came about through a minhag that people accepted upon themselves, only those foods that were accepted not to be eaten have the status of kitniyos. He cites potatoes as an example, which were never prohibited since potatoes were not widespread when the minhag first came about, and when potatoes became common the leaders of the generation did not want to forbid eating them. Because of the great need for potatoes, and since many great people did not forbid kitniyos (the Beis Yosef and Rabbeinu Yechiel), it was decided that while one cannot permit that which is already prohibited under the minhag – other foods should not be added and be made asur.
Rav Moshe concludes that if one does not have a minhag against eating peanuts – then they are permitted to be eaten, but if one has a minhag against them – then peanuts have the same status as any other type of kitniyos. He even recommends that a hechsher should be given to a manufacturer of peanuts that no chametz has been added to it and that those who have no minhag against it can eat the peanuts. (Rav Moshe's opinion does not seem to be the consensus of all Poskim, as the Seridei Eish in vol. II siman 37 brings a dispute over using peanut oil, with the Avnei Nezer and Minchas Elazar forbidding its usage, implying that peanuts do have a universal status of kitniyos.)
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Star K gives every chumra it can possibly give in its general guidelines. The OU has been open and honest about the peanut issue that many who refrain from kitniyos permit it and eat it during Pesach. Great poskim have said it is allowed.
Star K actually ticks me off. They put out this guide showing a whole listing of soaps and shampoos that are certified "kosher for pesach" but if you read closely, they acknowledge before that section begins that something which is not edible does not require that certification. So then what the hell are those 50 pages of things for? A list which drive people crazy trying to find the right brands for the chag?