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Israel => Save Israel => Topic started by: Dexter on September 23, 2007, 08:15:38 AM
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I prefer Socialism, because I don't want the riches will stay riches because they utilized the poor people.
The eliete in Israel (18 families in Israel, that controlling everything, everything!!) are extream leftists, so called socialist, but they enjoy the free-market in Israel, the keep tham in control, allways.
Also the big corps have just too much power and influince on Israel politics, and it's very very dangerous .
Though Socialism is originaly universal, I prefer "National Socialism" (very bad connotation, huh :-X ), means that only the people that will mostly enjoy the goverment's benefits will be the Jews, and of course the ethnic groups that are loyel to tham .
I don't know what is better though, centrel planning or free market, that's somthing I should check .
I don't want tyranny, only democracy, and real one of course .
What economic way do you prefer, and why ?
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Anthing but extreme communism and capatalism. Minor concepts of all economic ways have their benefits, its when everything takes an extreme side does it lead to unfairness.
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Every time socialism has been tried in the world, it has FAILED. It NEVER works.
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Every time socialism has been tried in the world, it has FAILED. It NEVER works.
A. Not really (Sweaden, Norway etc'), and I'm not talking about liberal socialism and democrat socialism as I said above .
B. National Socialism made Nazi Germany to an economic empire .
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Anthing but extreme communism and capatalism. Minor concepts of all economic ways have their benefits, its when everything takes an extreme side does it lead to unfairness.
There are many sections in Capitalism .
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Every time socialism has been tried in the world, it has FAILED. It NEVER works.
A. Not really (Sweaden, Norway etc'), and I'm not talking about liberal socialism and democrat socialism as I said above .
B. National Socialism made Nazi Germany to an economic empire .
Germany had capitalism under (s)hitler, not socialism. They only called it that. Without free market capitalism there's no incentive to work hard. Socialism just taxes those who work to give to bums who don't.
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Every time socialism has been tried in the world, it has FAILED. It NEVER works.
A. Not really (Sweaden, Norway etc'), and I'm not talking about liberal socialism and democrat socialism as I said above .
B. National Socialism made Nazi Germany to an economic empire .
Germany had capitalism under (s)hitler, not socialism. They only called it that. Without free market capitalism there's no incentive to work hard. Socialism just taxes those who work to give to bums who don't.
You can't have free market under tyranny, because all the market is holded by the goverment ("Centrel planning"), therefor it was socialism, surly not cummonism or capitalism .
The rule that if you are poor you can't work is nonsense, if you can't work or some people (the eilite, for exm.) utilized tham, don't expect those people to secsses .
Besides, if you have damocracy and socialism than you have to ultimate democracy because the chance that corps. will control you become lower .
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Every time socialism has been tried in the world, it has FAILED. It NEVER works.
A. Not really (Sweaden, Norway etc'), and I'm not talking about liberal socialism and democrat socialism as I said above .
B. National Socialism made Nazi Germany to an economic empire .
Germany had capitalism under (s)hitler, not socialism. They only called it that. Without free market capitalism there's no incentive to work hard. Socialism just taxes those who work to give to bums who don't.
You can't have free market under tyranny, because all the market is holded by the goverment ("Centrel planning"), therefor it was socialism, surly not cummonism or capitalism .
The rule that if you are poor you can't work is nonsense, if you can't work or some people (the eilite, for exm.) utilized tham, don't expect those people to secsses .
Besides, if you have damocracy and socialism than you have to ultimate democracy because the chance that corps. will control you become lower .
In the democracies with the best living standards, people vote AGAINST socialism. How can you have socialism AND democracy when everbody will vote against it?
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Every time socialism has been tried in the world, it has FAILED. It NEVER works.
A. Not really (Sweaden, Norway etc'), and I'm not talking about liberal socialism and democrat socialism as I said above .
B. National Socialism made Nazi Germany to an economic empire .
Germany had capitalism under (s)hitler, not socialism. They only called it that. Without free market capitalism there's no incentive to work hard. Socialism just taxes those who work to give to bums who don't.
You can't have free market under tyranny, because all the market is holded by the goverment ("Centrel planning"), therefor it was socialism, surly not cummonism or capitalism .
The rule that if you are poor you can't work is nonsense, if you can't work or some people (the eilite, for exm.) utilized tham, don't expect those people to secsses .
Besides, if you have damocracy and socialism than you have to ultimate democracy because the chance that corps. will control you become lower .
In the democracies with the best living standards, people vote AGAINST socialism. How can you have socialism AND democracy when everbody will vote against it?
If you think people in Israel will vote against it than you are mistaking, we had enough of the schmuks that taking our money and utilizing us, but because the only socialists (actually, democrat socialists :-X) are leftists, it is bad, because most people are workers and are right wings, they want better conditions AND right wing goverment .
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Dexter you're right that the elite should not monopolize the power, but we should have opportunity for all righteous people to start their own business with SAFFEGUARDS of course....so that one business cannot monopolize or cannot discriminate against righteous people. We should have affirmative action for righteous qualified people, instead of hiring all these ignorant creatures.
Bill Gates for example, stole the ideas for his operating system from Xerox and then choked all other operating systems because these stupid PC companies only buy HIS operating systems. I think that is wrong. We have to at least provide some incentives to prevent this..
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Dexter you're right that the elite should not monopolize the power, but we should have opportunity for all righteous people to start their own business with SAFFEGUARDS of course....so that one business cannot monopolize or cannot discriminate against righteous people. We should have affirmative action for righteous qualified people, instead of hiring all these ignorant creatures.
Bill Gates for example, stole the ideas for his operating system from Xerox and then choked all other operating systems because these stupid PC companies only buy HIS operating systems. I think that is wrong. We have to at least provide some incentives to prevent this..
I think you are suprised that in Sweaden most of the people have a lot of quality, why you ask ?
Because they are taking the education in their country as the main and the most importent thing ever, so the creat very smart people that can gain the country the money it lost in the citizens education .
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Socialism always involves high taxes. Taxes destroy incentive to work and make good.
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Socialism always involves high taxes. Taxes destroy incentive to work and make good.
Texas that goes on your education, your education will make you rich or at least pretty good economical status .
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Socialism always involves high taxes. Taxes destroy incentive to work and make good.
Texas that goes on your education, your education will make you rich or at least pretty good economical status .
That NEVER works. Nobody can get rich when the government is taking 40% or 50%+ of their income. Let people keep their taxes and pay for their own education.
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Socialism always involves high taxes. Taxes destroy incentive to work and make good.
Texas that goes on your education, your education will make you rich or at least pretty good economical status .
That NEVER works. Nobody can get rich when the government is taking 40% or 50%+ of their income. Let people keep their taxes and pay for their own education.
40%-50% ???
You just took it out proportion, no one will take you 40%-50%, that's nuts .
The education in Israel is the worst or one of the worst in the weastern world, the Israeli goverment always take money from the education to their puckets, Israel is in the last place at investment of the education, no wonder there are poor people, because they are ignorent, ignorent people just can't work, that is a fact and a logical conclusion .
If you are smart, you will work in a job that gives you money, and if you want your children to be money, you should give money, the goverment will make the PUBLIC SCHOOL as a great place that will make you ready for the real life, there is no need parents will give thousends of dollars for privet school because public school isn't so good .
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I prefer Socialism, because I don't want the riches will stay riches because they utilized the poor people.
The eliete in Israel (18 families in Israel, that controlling everything, everything!!) are extream leftists, so called socialist, but they enjoy the free-market in Israel, the keep tham in control, allways.
Also the big corps have just too much power and influince on Israel politics, and it's very very dangerous .
Though Socialism is originaly universal, I prefer "National Socialism" (very bad connotation, huh :-X ), means that only the people that will mostly enjoy the goverment's benefits will be the Jews, and of course the ethnic groups that are loyel to tham .
I don't know what is better though, centrel planning or free market, that's somthing I should check .
I don't want tyranny, only democracy, and real one of course .
What economic way do you prefer, and why ?
Dexter, I prefer capitalism, but with people required to give to charity...The problem here socialism is that some people get educated....work really hard and DO make a lot of money. I think people like that he are hard workers should be the richest and shoud not be affected by lazy poor people in a socialist economy.
However, the duty of ALL people is Tzedaka..and the duty of the poor is that when they get jealous or envious of the rich, that they take it upon themselves to work harder...
A society with classes: rich people/poor people is necessary to get the economy going...I like the US's system because poor people can become rich if they work hard and get a good edumacation...and rich people can become poor if they do stupid things and are lazy...
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Socialism always involves high taxes. Taxes destroy incentive to work and make good.
Texas that goes on your education, your education will make you rich or at least pretty good economical status .
That NEVER works. Nobody can get rich when the government is taking 40% or 50%+ of their income. Let people keep their taxes and pay for their own education.
40%-50% ???
You just took it out proportion, no one will take you 40%-50%, that's nuts .
The education in Israel is the worst or one of the worst in the weastern world, the Israeli goverment always take money from the education to their puckets, Israel is in the last place at investment of the education, no wonder there are poor people, because they are ignorent, ignorent people just can't work, that is a fact and a logical conclusion .
If you are smart, you will work in a job that gives you money, and if you want your children to be money, you should give money, the goverment will make the PUBLIC SCHOOL as a great place that will make you ready for the real life, there is no need parents will give thousends of dollars for privet school because public school isn't so good .
Dexter, the Swedes pay OVER 50% in taxes in some income brackets. ALL socialist countries are high tax.
Look at everything governments control: Gov't schools, hospitals and transport. All dirty, dangerous and inefficient. Private is better.
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dannycookie57 :
Of course it is impossible to cancell the classes, but let's just reduce the gap between tham .
Besides, Pipi Netanyoyo, tried the wonderfull capitalism with his reforms, and now old people just get 81 shekels (One Shekel = quart of a US dollar) per month .
And, there are 1.5 milion poor people because of him .
Dexter, the Swedes pay OVER 50% in taxes in some income brackets. ALL socialist countries are high tax
Newman, did I said that the Sweadish Socialism is what I want ?
By the way, I would like refernces for your claims, it is very intresting .
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Why, The Plantation System, of course!
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Swedish Socialism bites.
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Re: "...Socialism always involves high taxes. Taxes destroy incentive to work and make good..."
It doesn't matter how much tax is levied...What matters is the purchasing power of your remaining disposable income.
The U.S.A. currently is practicing a form of Fascism, whereby already wealthy & prosperous Corporations are subsidized by the Federal Government, as well as subsidized by State Governments in the form of waiving all taxes for Corporations in exchange for locating to States.
Where does the $ come from to subsidize the wealthy Corporations?
Why, from the taxes levied on the citizenry.
Add to the burden on the citizens the brutal illegality of the IRS, which again, has its "code" re-written constantly to waive taxes owed by Corporations (which can then rent a small store-front in Cayman Islands and legally claim that they are no longer a U.S.-based Corporation; thereby escaping Federal taxes).
Insult to injury?--Current Federal "code" gives additional "tax breaks" to each and every Corporation which will relocate to China or elsewhere, and make all of its loyal work force join the ranks of the unemployed.
As the Red Chinese Communist Party so correctly tells its masses of slave laborers..."Capitalism is in Crisis!"
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It isn't an accident that the poor in capitalists countries ae richer than most people in the non-capitalist countries.
Socialism didn't make Hong Kong prosper.
Capitalism did.
Socialism didn't make America prosper.
Capitalism did.
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It isn't an accident that the poor in capitalists countries ae richer than most people in the non-capitalist countries.
Socialism didn't make Hong Kong prosper.
Capitalism did.
Socialism didn't make America prosper.
Capitalism did.
The poor blacks in America are richer than the poors in Sweaden/Norway ?
:D
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It isn't an accident that the poor in capitalists countries ae richer than most people in the non-capitalist countries.
Socialism didn't make Hong Kong prosper.
Capitalism did.
Socialism didn't make America prosper.
Capitalism did.
The poor blacks in America are richer than the poors in Sweaden/Norway ?
:D
Yes.
The poor in America are humungously fat.
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The poor blacks in America are richer than the poors in Sweaden/Norway ?
:D
Poor blacks in the USA are poor because of their own stupidity or laziness.
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When will people learn that in order to alleviate poverty, you must make it possible to get rich?
It amazing how most people don't understand this simple concept.
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It isn't an accident that the poor in capitalists countries ae richer than most people in the non-capitalist countries.
Socialism didn't make Hong Kong prosper.
Capitalism did.
Socialism didn't make America prosper.
Capitalism did.
The poor blacks in America are richer than the poors in Sweaden/Norway ?
:D
Yes.
The poor in America are humungously fat.
humungously...means ??
Anyway..Sweaden is one of the richest countries in the whole country, and the sweaden GRP per Capita is very high :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/6/6a/20070221173640!Image-GRP_per_capita_Sweden.png
Just read how Sweaden is rich BECAUSE it is socialist :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Sweden
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When will people learn that in order to alleviate poverty, you must make it possible to get rich?
It amazing how most people don't understand this simple concept.
You can get rich in Socialism, it isn't communism .
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When will people learn that in order to alleviate poverty, you must make it possible to get rich?
It amazing how most people don't understand this simple concept.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel or envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - -- Winston Churchill
"We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle." --- Winston Churchill
"Any man who is under 30, and is not a socialist, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." --- Winston Churchill
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It isn't an accident that the poor in capitalists countries ae richer than most people in the non-capitalist countries.
Socialism didn't make Hong Kong prosper.
Capitalism did.
Socialism didn't make America prosper.
Capitalism did.
The poor blacks in America are richer than the poors in Sweaden/Norway ?
:D
Yes.
The poor in America are humungously fat.
humungously...means ??
Anyway..Sweaden is one of the richest countries in the whole country, and the sweaden GRP per Capita is very high :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/6/6a/20070221173640!Image-GRP_per_capita_Sweden.png
Just read how Sweaden is rich BECAUSE it is socialist :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Sweden
Bullcrap.
Commie propaganda. Sweden is an evil country that borrows it's prosperity.
Why don't we look at the economy of hong kong instead, Dexter?
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Bullcrap.
Commie propaganda. Sweden is an evil country that borrows it's prosperity.
Why don't we look at the economy of hong kong instead, Dexter?
Hong Kong is a City on an island for God's sake .
Do you prefer the country will be rich or it citizens ?
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Bullcrap.
Commie propaganda. Sweden is an evil country that borrows it's prosperity.
Why don't we look at the economy of hong kong instead, Dexter?
Hong Kong is a City on an island for G-d's sake .
Do you prefer the country will be rich or it citizens ?
Exactly, Dexter. A city on an island with no natural resources.
The perfect laboratory for the capitalist experiment.
Hong Kong is filthy rich. Because of Capitalism.
Face it, Dexter.
Socialism doesn't work and capitalism does.
The sooner you realize that, the more money you'll begin to make.
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And your second question contradicts itself.
A rich country has rich citizens.
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Bullcrap.
Commie propaganda. Sweden is an evil country that borrows it's prosperity.
Why don't we look at the economy of hong kong instead, Dexter?
Hong Kong is a City on an island for G-d's sake .
Do you prefer the country will be rich or it citizens ?
Exactly, Dexter. A city on an island with no natural resources.
The perfect laboratory for the capitalist experiment.
Hong Kong is filthy rich. Because of Capitalism.
Face it, Dexter.
Socialism doesn't work and capitalism does.
The sooner you realize that, the more money you'll begin to make.
You can't compare a city with country like israel .
It's a fact that the Capitalism make people more poor, it is a fact in Israel, face it .
And your second question contradicts itself.
A rich country has rich citizens.
That's why Israel become richer but it citizens become more poor ?
Wow, very impresive !
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free market.dexter those who control israeli economy,you know how evil they are.
they dont care about us,they dont care about the jewish ppl and to the israeli ecomy,those evil ppl is bringing to israel illegal aliens,becuse the jewish ppl in israel is sicken tired to work hard and to get poor salary.
.they are selfish and egoist,they are atticted to money,even in socialism u will have poor.
it doesnt matter if it's free market or socialism ,it depends on the ppl.instead of taking from us high tax,we will donate 5% or 10% frpm our salary to poor ppl.if we give our money to the goverment,they will use the money for they own purpose.
in israel it doesnt matter if it would be free market or socialism,we are agoist.
in israel ppl is working for the money,but most of them have problems with money.
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You're right , Dexter.
Israel was much better off in the 70's with 300 percent inflation a year.
I concede the point.
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Japan is capitalist and it's MEGA $$$$$$$$$$$ RICH.
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dannycookie57 :
Of course it is impossible to cancell the classes, but let's just reduce the gap between tham .
Besides, Pipi Netanyoyo, tried the wonderfull capitalism with his reforms, and now old people just get 81 shekels (One Shekel = quart of a US dollar) per month .
And, there are 1.5 milion poor people because of him .
Dexter, the Swedes pay OVER 50% in taxes in some income brackets. ALL socialist countries are high tax
Newman, did I said that the Sweadish Socialism is what I want ?
By the way, I would like refernces for your claims, it is very intresting .
Dexter the failure in ISrael was that you can't go straight from socialist to capitalist...that's what pipi was doing...it should be a gradual process so that thsoe who are used to socialism begin realizing they need to work harder or send their children for great education. Secondly there should be the fewest number of poorest people and fewest number of the richest people..and then a lot in the middle. Those who are the richest can stay rich but need to work harder than ever and stay smart to stay rich...and the poorest have the opportunity to go up the classes...
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I hope all the Jewish billionairs give away a lot of their $, if this would happen their wouldnt be financial problems for Jews.
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You're right , Dexter.
Israel was much better off in the 70's with 300 percent inflation a year.
I concede the point.
It's hard for me to understand sarcasm in English, but I guess what you've said was in sarcasam .
Anyway, Socialism do better for those who work .
-==--But most of the people that respond here didn't say what economic way they support .-==-
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anyway the amount of $ someone and a country has doesnt necessarily determine the quality of life its citizens will have. - Im not saying that I support Capitalism or socialism or any other ism, but it would be nice to see that if you are going to have more than average amount of kids that you wont have to worry about providing them with an education and other necessities. In Israel are good Yeshivot for free? or are they reduced priced? Here it costs thousands of dollers ever year ($5,000- $10,000) and its really unpleasent even thinking about it. (and its bullsh*t, becuase people in public schools go for free while sending kids to yeshiva costs a lot of $, gov. doesnt give them any $. even though we all pay taxes, and they are allways having problems financially and teachers a lot of times get their payments delayed).
- I wish that life would be a lot more simpler, fewer working hours and people not having a materialistic outlook.
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And your second question contradicts itself.
A rich country has rich citizens.
Do you think this applies to the US as well? The way I see it, the US is a very rich country where most of its people are poor or lower class.
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Anyway..Sweaden is one of the richest countries in the whole country, and the sweaden GRP per Capita is very high :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/6/6a/20070221173640!Image-GRP_per_capita_Sweden.png
Just read how Sweaden is rich BECAUSE it is socialist :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Sweden
Dexter - Norway, Sweden and Finland are EXCEPTIONS.. don't use them as examples.
Norway has less than 5 million, Sweden 10 million and Finland 6 million.... those extremely small populations are sitting on the riches of the North Sea. That's the only reason why they're able to give their people 2 months of sick days, 3 year maternal leave etc. But it makes them lazy - productivity has dropped significantly in Scandinavia over the past 30 years because of their socialist government. Europeans even have jokes about "lazy Swedes".
Now all these Muslims are coming in and receiving the same benefits.. what happens when they populate and the oil runs out?
Their economies don't work BECAUSE of socialism, they work DESPITE socialism.
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The poor and lower classes of America are majority obese.
I think that says something about poor being redefined in America.
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The poor and lower classes of America are majority obese.
I think that says something about poor being redefined in America.
Who's poor in America? Melangianas and belly rubbers and some white trash... look at their diets - fried chicken / rice, beans and tacos... of course they're going to be fat.
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Anyway..Sweaden is one of the richest countries in the whole country, and the sweaden GRP per Capita is very high :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/6/6a/20070221173640!Image-GRP_per_capita_Sweden.png
Just read how Sweaden is rich BECAUSE it is socialist :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Sweden
Dexter - Norway, Sweden and Finland are EXCEPTIONS.. don't use them as examples.
Norway has less than 5 million, Sweden 10 million and Finland 6 million.... those extremely small populations are sitting on the riches of the North Sea. That's the only reason why they're able to give their people 2 months of sick days, 3 year maternal leave etc. But it makes them lazy - productivity has dropped significantly in Scandinavia over the past 30 years because of their socialist government. Europeans even have jokes about "lazy Swedes".
Now all these Muslims are coming in and receiving the same benefits.. what happens when they populate and the oil runs out?
Their economies don't work BECAUSE of socialism, they work DESPITE socialism.
So they have those Jokes..so ?
We have jokes that Russians stinks and more...so ?
It's a fact that it works, and no, 3 countries are no EXCEPTIONS .
In Israel only 5.2-5.5 milion are Jews, socialism is encouraging to work, and work hard, and as I said, I want Justice, Capitalism give some fat rich people the option to steal from you over and over, in the Captalism way the rich will stay rich, because they taking money from other people, and the poor will stay poor because some people are taking money from tham .
Does it make sense that 0.2 of the people will hold 90%+ of the assets in Israel ?
NO!
About the Muslim problem, read my last posts on this topic .
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Anyway..Sweaden is one of the richest countries in the whole country, and the sweaden GRP per Capita is very high :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/6/6a/20070221173640!Image-GRP_per_capita_Sweden.png
Just read how Sweaden is rich BECAUSE it is socialist :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Sweden
Dexter - Norway, Sweden and Finland are EXCEPTIONS.. don't use them as examples.
Norway has less than 5 million, Sweden 10 million and Finland 6 million.... those extremely small populations are sitting on the riches of the North Sea. That's the only reason why they're able to give their people 2 months of sick days, 3 year maternal leave etc. But it makes them lazy - productivity has dropped significantly in Scandinavia over the past 30 years because of their socialist government. Europeans even have jokes about "lazy Swedes".
Now all these Muslims are coming in and receiving the same benefits.. what happens when they populate and the oil runs out?
Their economies don't work BECAUSE of socialism, they work DESPITE socialism.
So they have those Jokes..so ?
We have jokes that Russians stinks and more...so ?
It's a fact that it works, and no, 3 countries are no EXCEPTIONS .
In Israel only 5.2-5.5 milion are Jews, socialism is encouraging to work, and work hard, and as I said, I want Justice, Capitalism give some fat rich people the option to steal from you over and over, in the Captalism way the rich will stay rich, because they taking money from other people, and the poor will stay poor because some people are taking money from tham .
Does it make sense that 0.2 of the people will hold 90%+ of the assets in Israel ?
NO!
About the Muslim problem, read my last posts on this topic .
Dexter it's quite oposite; socialism encourage people to steal not work; Belive I lived in socialist country for 15 years of my life and it was all about waste of time, human talents and resources people pretended to work and goverment pretended topay them so everybody was forced to steal; which suited gov fine; couse it made criminal of every citisen; so the people didn't dared to protest the gov; Sweden was rich thanks to all this Iron sold to Hitler; and Israel with its 5 milions Jews shoud be richest countryin the world;
unfortunetly oligarchs and A-rabs are slowing you down.
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Poland wasn't communist ?
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Dexter, your idea that rich people are rich because they took money from poor people and poor people are poor because their money was taken by rich people is an idea that doesn't make sense.
Money is not inherently worth anything. It REPRESENTS value.
That is all.
Businesses provide services and products that people want and therefore they EARN money. They don't TAKE it from po' folk.
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Re: "...When will people learn that in order to alleviate poverty, you must make it possible to get rich?..."
This universal truth proves that The Plantation System is the one true human values system capable of enabling, producing, and preserving wealth.
The wealth of America was produced using African slaves to do all of the menial labor for approximately 400 years. Without slaves, America would not have developed its resources within such a short period of time.
Today, corrupt and inept leadership has once again placed America and its free enterprise capitalist system in the position of either finding new slaves for the 21st Century, or disappearing. This is why both the Republicans and the Democrats are surreptiously seeking to flood America with up to 300 million campesino Mexican wetback illegal aliens.
The White Caucasian Elite Plutocrats, now in control of all of America's remaining wealth (the greater sum of it long ago sent out of the U.S. to Communist and Muslim dictatorships; some 4 Trillion dollars of it apparently missing, unaccounted for, stolen by an individual) are hell bent on turning illegal wetbacks into their new slaves, and equally determined to starve, kill, and imprison all of the loyal American middle and lower class.
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Poland wasn't communist ?
Oficialy we were building socialism; even USSR was not Comumnist; acording to Gensek Chruschow they builded their socialism (after 45 years and 50 milions of victims) in 1960 ; Thanks G-d they run out of time in Poland; thanks to capitalism I can write post here on my new computer plagued into imperialist American internet ::) .
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The world would be a better place without greedy people.
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Tzvi ben Roshel: "The world would be a better place without greedy people."
I agree 100%!
And that is precisely why I should be given all of the assets accumulated by those among us so greedy that they want more and more and more all the time!
I deserve them--but they don't!
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MassuhDGoodname,
"(the greater sum of it long ago sent out of the U.S. to Communist and Muslim dictatorships; some 4 Trillion dollars of it apparently missing, unaccounted for, stolen by an individual) are hell bent on turning illegal wetbacks into their new slaves, and equally determined to starve, kill, and imprison all of the loyal American middle and lower class."
Could you explain more about this?
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Re: "...Socialism always involves high taxes. Taxes destroy incentive to work and make good..."
It doesn't matter how much tax is levied...What matters is the purchasing power of your remaining disposable income.
The U.S.A. currently is practicing a form of Fascism, whereby already wealthy & prosperous Corporations are subsidized by the Federal Government, as well as subsidized by State Governments in the form of waiving all taxes for Corporations in exchange for locating to States.
Where does the $ come from to subsidize the wealthy Corporations?
Why, from the taxes levied on the citizenry.
Add to the burden on the citizens the brutal illegality of the IRS, which again, has its "code" re-written constantly to waive taxes owed by Corporations (which can then rent a small store-front in Cayman Islands and legally claim that they are no longer a U.S.-based Corporation; thereby escaping Federal taxes).
Insult to injury?--Current Federal "code" gives additional "tax breaks" to each and every Corporation which will relocate to China or elsewhere, and make all of its loyal work force join the ranks of the unemployed.
As the Red Chinese Communist Party so correctly tells its masses of slave laborers..."Capitalism is in Crisis!"
Did US corporations used to not be located in the US?
The 16th amendment was established around the time of the Federal Reserve and around Woodrow Wilson's tenure as president.
"The U.S. Constitution provides (in part):
The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises [ . . . ] but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States [ . . . ]
The Constitution also provides (in part):
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers [ . . . .
The Constitution further provides:
No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken. "
I'm not sure how this should work though so could you explain how things would be if there was no IRS?
I assume these same tax breaks existed during when Bill Clinton was president? Democrats seem to imply that they didn't have tax breaks then. I think they're lying.
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Let's take this example, and should I:
G-D made his people, they Boers fend of the blacks, and reclaim their country.
Now, BIG corps control most South African mines.
So now, the new white SA government nationalizes the new mines. So now, those damned elite previous owners don't get to keep ALL of the money.
The South African government takes lets say %40 of the mines' profits (for upkeep, expansion etc), and 60% goes to the workers. That way, the workers get a hell of a lot more money!!! ANd so really, the wealth goes to the people, not freakin %80 to 1 family!
But that's the case with mines, the services sectors are a different story, and really need to be privately owned. BUT, the government needs to keep these large supermarkets etc under control!
Anyway, that's what i think, what do you think?
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Dexter, your idea that rich people are rich because they took money from poor people and poor people are poor because their money was taken by rich people is an idea that doesn't make sense.
Money is not inherently worth anything. It REPRESENTS value.
That is all.
Businesses provide services and products that people want and therefore they EARN money. They don't TAKE it from po' folk.
You don't live here and you don't know what is happening here .
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Rav Kahane mentions the economic crisis in I believe it was OUR CHALLENGE. He states that a capitalist economy without all the taxes for starting businesses would be best, because many American and World Jews would start businesses in Israel, but the taxes are too high right now. Second he states in order to overcome poverty Israel should raise money from American Jews. The Jews that paid millions of dollars to the right wingers not to destroy the infrastructure when they left gaza (only to have it destroyed by the arabs), can certainly afford to help out their fellow Jew in need. Most important though in Israel is not the economic wealth but the spiritual wealth. Here in America I see many Jews from Israel coming here. The source of the yerida epidemic is that aside from the Orthodox very few Jews in Israel consider themselves Jews, they are "Israelis" or "Humans". We must change the entire education system, our children must be taught Jewish history and Jewish values not universal ones.
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So they have those Jokes..so ?
We have jokes that Russians stinks and more...so ?
It's a fact that it works, and no, 3 countries are no EXCEPTIONS .
In Israel only 5.2-5.5 milion are Jews, socialism is encouraging to work, and work hard, and as I said, I want Justice, Capitalism give some fat rich people the option to steal from you over and over, in the Captalism way the rich will stay rich, because they taking money from other people, and the poor will stay poor because some people are taking money from tham .
Does it make sense that 0.2 of the people will hold 90%+ of the assets in Israel ?
NO!
About the Muslim problem, read my last posts on this topic .
Socialist economies NEVER worked. What you're saying about Sweden is exactly what many American's were saying about Russia in the 1920's - "look at the Soviets". Well, look at them now.
America and Israel are not TRUE capitalist economies. America used to have a capitalist economy until traitors took power. Japan and Taiwan have much better capitalist economies.. business is booming big time there.
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So they have those Jokes..so ?
We have jokes that Russians stinks and more...so ?
It's a fact that it works, and no, 3 countries are no EXCEPTIONS .
In Israel only 5.2-5.5 milion are Jews, socialism is encouraging to work, and work hard, and as I said, I want Justice, Capitalism give some fat rich people the option to steal from you over and over, in the Captalism way the rich will stay rich, because they taking money from other people, and the poor will stay poor because some people are taking money from tham .
Does it make sense that 0.2 of the people will hold 90%+ of the assets in Israel ?
NO!
About the Muslim problem, read my last posts on this topic .
Socialist economies NEVER worked. What you're saying about Sweden is exactly what many American's were saying about Russia in the 1920's - "look at the Soviets". Well, look at them now.
America and Israel are not TRUE capitalist economies. America used to have a capitalist economy until traitors took power. Japan and Taiwan have much better capitalist economies.. business is booming big time there.
Sweaden is socialist since 1830, than they were rich and now they are very rich, it's a fact that the soviet union killed 30-40 milion people, you can't comapre 3 years of success near 177 years of success .
How about Norway ?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/GDP_Norway_1865_to_2004.PNG
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Every time socialism has been tried in the world, it has FAILED. It NEVER works.
A. Not really (Sweaden, Norway etc'), and I'm not talking about liberal socialism and democrat socialism as I said above .
B. National Socialism made Nazi Germany to an economic empire .
Germany had capitalism under (s)hitler, not socialism. They only called it that. Without free market capitalism there's no incentive to work hard. Socialism just taxes those who work to give to bums who don't.
That may be true in some cases, but in the current economy there are places that people with skills, who want to work, can not find work......In that case don;t you think society has an obligation to help people.....or should people be homeless and destitute because their job was outsourced to China or India?
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Every time socialism has been tried in the world, it has FAILED. It NEVER works.
A. Not really (Sweaden, Norway etc'), and I'm not talking about liberal socialism and democrat socialism as I said above .
B. National Socialism made Nazi Germany to an economic empire .
Germany had capitalism under (s)hitler, not socialism. They only called it that. Without free market capitalism there's no incentive to work hard. Socialism just taxes those who work to give to bums who don't.
That may be true in some cases, but in the current economy there are places that people with skills, who want to work, can not find work......In that case don;t you think society has an obligation to help people.....or should people be homeless and destitute because their job was outsourced to China or India?
Society through charity? YES; state throu corrupt and obese buerocracy? NO!
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The best economic way is free-market capitalism. But with a caveat, it must be LOCAL; Goods and services provided within the same population that supports the economy works perfectly, it creates prosperity and jobs for all those involved, it's circular, the businesses create jobs, those employed create demand for the goods and services of the businesses, the businesses were accountable to both their employees and customers. That's how the founding fathers of this nation set it up, and it was spot on.
What we have now, with Globalization has screwed the whole system up, the employees are offshore, no prosperity or jobs are returned to community, the un-employed don't buy products, houses, etc. With globalization we are destroying the middle class and returning to surfdom, the very rich and the dirt poor.
Side note: Socialism is NOT the answer!
What we need is new laws, laws that treat companies that outsource as the foreign companies that they've made themselves, they should be subject to high import tarriffs like any other foreign company.
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Sweaden is socialist since 1830, than they were rich and now they are very rich, it's a fact that the soviet union killed 30-40 milion people, you can't comapre 3 years of success near 177 years of success .
How about Norway ?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/GDP_Norway_1865_to_2004.PNG
They didn't have the same economy then as they do now. Swedes weren't taxed to death as they are now. It's very expensive to start and run a business there. Sweden and Norway are filthy rich in natural resources with extremely low populations.. you don't seem to be getting the point Dexter.
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The poor and lower classes of America are majority obese.
I think that says something about poor being redefined in America.
I sense some animosity towards the poor.
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The poor and lower classes of America are majority obese.
I think that says something about poor being redefined in America.
Who's poor in America? Melangianas and belly rubbers and some white trash... look at their diets - fried chicken / rice, beans and tacos... of course they're going to be fat.
Could it be that those types of food are inexpensive to buy and prepare so therefore that is just what they eat because it's affordable to them? I don't know about statistics as far as poor people being fatter. Seems like quite a generalization to me.
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The poor in rich countries are fat and rich in poor countries are fat too. Thats like in this (poor) Joke: The indian beggear to American woman tourist: I didn't eat for three day. The tourist to beggar: I envy your self control. ::)
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The poor in rich countries are fat and rich in poor countries are fat too. Thats like in this (poor) Joke: The indian beggear to American woman tourist: I didn't eat for three day. The tourist to beggar: I envy your self control. ::)
;D
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The poor and lower classes of America are majority obese.
I think that says something about poor being redefined in America.
Who's poor in America? Melangianas and belly rubbers and some white trash... look at their diets - fried chicken / rice, beans and tacos... of course they're going to be fat.
Could it be that those types of food are inexpensive to buy and prepare so therefore that is just what they eat because it's affordable to them? I don't know about statistics as far as poor people being fatter. Seems like quite a generalization to me.
Yea, look at the diets that poor people have compared to richer people. Its not a justification but poor people eat a lot of fast food, while richer people eat in fancy resturants. Also richer people have more time on their hands to exercise and do other activities while poorer people work all day. + the factor of stress, the more stress one has the more fatter one is prone to get.
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The poor and lower classes of America are majority obese.
I think that says something about poor being redefined in America.
Who's poor in America? Melangianas and belly rubbers and some white trash... look at their diets - fried chicken / rice, beans and tacos... of course they're going to be fat.
Could it be that those types of food are inexpensive to buy and prepare so therefore that is just what they eat because it's affordable to them? I don't know about statistics as far as poor people being fatter. Seems like quite a generalization to me.
Melangianas eat fried chicken.. that's their diet. It's not because they're poor.. they would eat the same thing if they were rich. Same with the belly rubbers, tacos, rice and beans is their cultural diet.
Italians were poor when they first came to America, but I can assure you that they weren't eating fried chicken.
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is fried chicken, beans and rice bad ???, maybe the fried chicken, but beans are really good for you. (protein, and dietary fiber) anyway it comes down to portion size.
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is fried chicken, beans and rice bad ???, maybe the fried chicken, but beans are really good for you. (protein, and dietary fiber) anyway it comes down to portion size.
Rice and beans is fine in moderation.. but they eat that on a daily basis. Hens the term "belly rubbers".
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The poor and lower classes of America are majority obese.
I think that says something about poor being redefined in America.
Who's poor in America? Melangianas and belly rubbers and some white trash... look at their diets - fried chicken / rice, beans and tacos... of course they're going to be fat.
Could it be that those types of food are inexpensive to buy and prepare so therefore that is just what they eat because it's affordable to them? I don't know about statistics as far as poor people being fatter. Seems like quite a generalization to me.
Melangianas eat fried chicken.. that's their diet. It's not because they're poor.. they would eat the same thing if they were rich. Same with the belly rubbers, tacos, rice and beans is their cultural diet.
Italians were poor when they first came to America, but I can assure you that they weren't eating fried chicken.
Hey what have you got against fried chicken? I like fried chicken......Of course I don't eat a bucket of the stuff every day, but.......come on?...fried chicken?...that's the problem with socialism, some buerocrat will decide that people shouldn't eat fried chicken...so they make you an outlaw and a bad guy for having a different opinion than they do about trivial things like...well fried chicken. Then we have another person here whio wants to outlaw American football.........Maybe I enjoy watching a football game and eating some fried chicken.....so what ??? ::) ;D
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Fried Chicken is greasy and since it is fried isn't healthy.
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Fried Chicken is greasy and since it is fried isn't healthy.
Ah, you just haven't lived until you've had some good southern fried food. :) Guess you Brits don't understand!
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Fried Chicken is greasy and since it is fried isn't healthy.
Ah, you just haven't lived until you've had some good southern fried food. :) Guess you Brits don't understand!
Its all about the fish and chips. :D.......even that lacks its title.
I think i've tried fried chicken once and it was more like......fried bones.
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Fried Chicken is greasy and since it is fried isn't healthy.
Ah, you just haven't lived until you've had some good southern fried food. :) Guess you Brits don't understand!
Its all about the fish and chips. :D.......even that lacks its title.
I think i've tried fried chicken once and it was more like......fried bones.
Fish & chips is an Aussie favourite, too.
There's NOTHING on Earth so good as real pommy style (beer-battered) fish & chips, sprinkled with salt & vinegar and wrapped in newspaper.
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:)