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as a jew who had family killed by fascist cetnik forces during wwII I am disgusted by this website and some of the things that are written on here by serbs who chose to lie about their true past.

the fact of the matter is that the chetniks were collaborators with the nazis. and yet these vile and despicable war criminals somehow managed to dodge blame for the atrocities they committed against my people during wwII. not only that but they are glorified in present day serbia which isnt much of a surprise seeing how they tried to ethnically cleanse the entire former yugoslavia of non-serbs. and then I see user's on this forum with names such as chetnik this or that? HOW DARE YOU try and affiliate yourself with such war criminals. do you not know what they did to the jews during wwII? how dense are some of you people.

the serbs were the first to proclaim their country free of jews during world war II as they did their best to help the nazi's kill off serbia's jewish population. and then they have the audacity to completely ignore their past like nothing of the sort happened.

here is a link to a great book that opened my eyes during university, it was on the reading list to a course I took on the jews in east central europe. please my jewish bretheren read this book and it will open your eyes about our "friends" in serbia

http://www.amazon.com/Serbias-Secret-War-Propaganda-European/dp/0890967601

and has anyone seen or heard about this? absolutely deplorable:

http://www.charlotte.com/200/story/346476.html

« Last Edit: November 06, 2007, 05:22:29 PM by ftf »

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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2007, 12:35:33 PM »
I've heard from other people aswell that Serbians don't particularly like Jews aswell. Question is how true is this ?.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2007, 03:37:11 PM by Merkava »
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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2007, 12:38:24 PM »
BAN THIS NAZICROAT TAKKIYAH USER.
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2007, 12:45:18 PM »
BAN THIS NAZICROAT TAKKIYAH USER.
Instead of banning him, disproove what he is saying.
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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2007, 12:45:58 PM »
listen up you fascist nazi cetnik!

why dont you tell me this? if serbs are so nice to their jewish friends why did they help in systematically trying to kill all of them in serbia during wwII?

and what do you think about this quote from the newspaper article?



Rare Jewish survivors of the camp are outraged.

"Do those people know what really happened here?" said Mihailo Berberijan, 101.

Mosic said the surviving tower should be returned to the state's ownership, and converted into a Holocaust museum containing photographs and documents of the lost Serbian Jews.

A small cracked marble plaque dedicated to the Yugoslav victims is mounted on a wall surrounded by high weeds and empty beer cans. But it doesn't specifically mention the Jews.

"The only former camp in Europe which doesn't have a monument for the killed Jews," Mosic said. "It's our shame."

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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2007, 12:46:10 PM »
Quote from: the truth must be told link=topic=10946.msg#msg date=
as a jew who had family killed by fascist cetnik forces during wwII I am disgusted by this website and some of the things that are written on here by serbs who chose to lie about their true past.

the fact of the matter is that the chetniks were collaborators with the nazis. and yet these vile and despicable war criminals somehow managed to dodge blame for the atrocities they committed against my people during wwII. not only that but they are glorified in present day serbia which isnt much of a surprise seeing how they tried to ethnically cleanse the entire former yugoslavia of non-serbs. and then I see user's on this forum with names such as chetnik this or that? HOW DARE YOU try and affiliate yourself with such war criminals. do you not know what they did to the jews during wwII? how dense are some of you people.

the serbs were the first to proclaim their country free of jews during world war II as they did their best to help the nazi's kill off serbia's jewish population. and then they have the audacity to completely ignore their past like nothing of the sort happened.

here is a link to a great book that opened my eyes during university, it was on the reading list to a course I took on the jews in east central europe. please my jewish bretheren read this book and it will open your eyes about our "friends" in serbia

http://www.amazon.com/Serbias-Secret-War-Propaganda-European/dp/

and has anyone seen or heard about this? absolutely deplorable:

http://www.charlotte.com/200/story/.html



"Nearly all of Belgrade's 8,000 Jews were killed at Sajmiste soon after it was set up in 1941 at the site of the Belgrade Fair exhibition ground, Mosic said. Thousands of leftists and Serb nationalists also were killed at the camp."

""The intention was to intimidate the Serb population by letting them see what was going on inside the camp," he said. "For our small nation, the Sajmiste camp was as horrendous as Dachau or Sachenhosen in Germany.""

"Sajmiste, or Judenlager Zemlin as Germans used to call it, was eclipsed in size by Jasenovac, the biggest death camp on Yugoslav territory. About 20,000 Jews, in addition to tens of thousands of Serbs, Gypsies and Croatian anti-fascists, died in that camp run by Croatia's Nazi puppet regime, unlike Sajmiste which was directly under German command."

The link you provided basically says that Jews as well as Serbs and leftists were killed in a camp in Serbia that was run by the Germans and which didn't compare to the killing in a camp run by Croats.
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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2007, 12:48:29 PM »
ah yes!!! and that is why you read the book I provided a link for ...

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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2007, 12:51:10 PM »
Quote from: the truth must be told link=topic=10946.msg#msg date=
ah yes!!! and that is why you read the book I provided a link for ...

First of all, the link you provided does not work.  Second, Amazon does not yet support instantaneous delivery of books.  However, my statement still stands.  The link you provided does not support your position.
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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2007, 12:55:53 PM »
the link is working fine for me

and that book should be readily available in a library of any major academic institution

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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2007, 01:02:04 PM »
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Instead of banning him, disproove what he is saying.

Chill HiWarp....You can't ban the guy for having a different opinion -
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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2007, 01:03:14 PM »
the link is working fine for me

and that book should be readily available in a library of any major academic institution
link is not working
Turkey must get out of NATO. NATO must get out of Kosovo-Serbia. Croats must get out of Crajina. All muslims must get out of Christian and Jewish land. Turks must get out of Cyprus. Turks must get out of "Istanbul". "Palestinians" must get out of Israel. Israel must become independent from USA.

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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2007, 01:04:56 PM »
Quote from: Merkava link=topic=10946.msg#msg date=
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Instead of banning him, disproove what he is saying.

Chill HiWarp....You can't ban the guy for having a different opinion -

I did not ask for him to be banned.
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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2007, 01:05:50 PM »
working fine over here

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Serbia's Secret War: Propaganda and the Deceit of History (Eastern European Studies , No 2) (Paperback)
by Philip J. Cohen (Author), David Riesman (Author)

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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2007, 01:07:07 PM »
BAN THIS NAZICROAT TAKKIYAH USER.
Instead of banning him, disproove what he is saying.
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Be very CAREFUL of people whose WORDS don't match their ACTIONS.

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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2007, 01:15:23 PM »
Sorry ....I meant Husar ! Husar you cannot ban this person because he disagrees with JTF. Why not let him prove his point. I am open to any sensible debate !
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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2007, 01:41:04 PM »
No way that you are an Jew from Serbia ;)
There is no concentration camp on balkans, where Jews are not killed along with Serbs.
More Serbs than Jews, cause more Serbs live on Balkans.
Even site that you send
http://www.charlotte.com/200/story/346476.html
clearly say:

"the site where some 48,000 Jews, Serbs and Gypsies perished in the 1940s"

BTW that concentration camp was on north bank of Sava river in Zemun, it used to be NDH (independent State of Croatia) during the WWII.

than, it says:

"8,000 Jews were killed at Sajmiste"

What do you think, what nationality were other 40.000 people?

"the Serbs were the first to proclaim their country free of Jews during world war II"

Truth is that German occupation forces (not Serbs) in Serbia proclaim Belgrade (not Serbia) first "judenfrei" city.

How they manage to do that?
I don't know but personally think that was easy job for them cause small Jewish comunity used to live mostly in northwest part of downtown Belgrade (Dorcol) so that may make their job easier.
But you should ask Germans about that.

See, Serbia was occupied in WWII unlike Croatia (which I think is where you barking from) where Germans are welcomed with flowers, like this video shows.



For thinks that happened in Serbia during the WWII you always should ask occupation forces not Serbs.

Serbia was ONLY country in WWII Europe, where Germas announced that they will kill 100 Serbs for 1 German soldier, and trust me, they kept their promise.

Chetniks were not collaborators, and you making that statement only makes me sure that you are Croat.

Forgoth that "croats feeling better about themselves" propaganda and try listen what some Allie officers think on that subject.

http://ravnagora.blogster.com/testifying_mihailovich.html

or the other one

http://www.bannerofliberty.com/OS5-00MQC/5-29-2000.1.html

or for example, Ronald Regan

http://draza-mihailovich.blogspot.com/2006/07/photo-of-ronald-reagan-commentary-on.html

or USA it selves.

http://draza-mihailovich.blogspot.com/2006/07/mihailovich-legion-of-merit-medal.html

or if you simply could look closely at my avatar, you will see it is an US Army captain with Chetik hat on hes head.

P.S. Please don't bother to send that WWII nazi propaganda posters on Serbian language (that bosnian muslims like to post so much) cause that is same nazi propaganda that you can find in any other country occupied by Germans during the war.

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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2007, 01:58:54 PM »
I've heard from other people aswell that Serbians don't particularly like Jews aswell.
Tomorrow I'll show you that in Serbia its not needed for anyone to like, or dislike Jews.
Jews have their place in Serbia and they earn it by their blood, curage and loyalty to Serbian state not by somebody's feelings.

Serbs are not the people that needs to build monuments for Jews killed during the WWII to apologize themselves for bad behaviour towards Jews.
Any nazi WWII concentration camp on Balkans killed more Serbs than Jews.
We have nothing to be ashaimed of, except bringing communists in charge after WWII >:(
But it has nothing to do with Jews, of course.

I just need to take some photos of monuments that are build in honor of Jews that died in Wars against Turks, Balkan Wars and WWI, than you will understand what I mean.

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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2007, 02:03:21 PM »
as a jew who had family killed by fascist cetnik forces during wwII I am disgusted by this website and some of the things that are written on here by serbs who chose to lie about their true past.

the fact of the matter is that the chetniks were collaborators with the nazis. and yet these vile and despicable war criminals somehow managed to dodge blame for the atrocities they committed against my people during wwII. not only that but they are glorified in present day serbia which isnt much of a surprise seeing how they tried to ethnically cleanse the entire former yugoslavia of non-serbs. and then I see user's on this forum with names such as chetnik this or that? HOW DARE YOU try and affiliate yourself with such war criminals. do you not know what they did to the jews during wwII? how dense are some of you people.

the serbs were the first to proclaim their country free of jews during world war II as they did their best to help the nazi's kill off serbia's jewish population. and then they have the audacity to completely ignore their past like nothing of the sort happened.

here is a link to a great book that opened my eyes during university, it was on the reading list to a course I took on the jews in east central europe. please my jewish bretheren read this book and it will open your eyes about our "friends" in serbia

http://www.amazon.com/Serbias-Secret-War-Propaganda-European/dp/0890967601

and has anyone seen or heard about this? absolutely deplorable:

http://www.charlotte.com/200/story/346476.html



http://hgs.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/4/3/323
http://libcom.org/library/role-catholic-church-yugoslavias-holocaust-se-n-mac-math-na-1941-1945
http://emperors-clothes.com/vatican/cpix.htm
http://philologos.org/bpr/files/Vatican/vs001a.htm
http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=560
http://www.byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2006/11/heroic-serbia-wwii.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/838425/posts
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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2007, 02:14:04 PM »
@merkava, dexter, bullcat3:

SINCE YOU WANT TO "debate",
WHAT'S THIS ?!!!!!

http://www.ultimatum.20m.com/3_4bih_kardinal.htm


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"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2007, 02:18:48 PM »
MLADEN SCHWARTZ IS AN OPENLY USTASHA JEW.




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SO I WONDER LESS, NOW, WHY YOU DO NOT BAN NAZICROATS EASILY.

"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2007, 02:23:25 PM »
DEAR JEWISH JTF-ers what's this with:"You have to debate with him, you have to debate with her".
Do you really believe what this Croats are saying and to their posts?
I mean WHAT IS THIS?!
They (croats) are saying that Serbs hate Jews?!
That Serbs are anti-semites?!
THAT IS UNBELIEVABLE!
Who's anti-semitism resulted with THE HOLOCAUST!
WHO'S?!

We must debate with that kind of people! :o :o :o
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2007, 02:24:29 PM »
NAZICROAT BEFRIENDING JTFers CAN GO THERE....
....AND SHOOT SOME SERBS, TOO:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111283
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2007, 02:34:39 PM »
Although the Serbian version of history portrays wartime Serbia as a helpless, occupied territory, Serbian newspapers of the period offer a portrait of intensive collaboration. In Serbia during WW2, a new pro-Nazi government was established under the leadership of General Milan Nedic which governed until 1945. Nedic supported Hitler and met with him in 1943. Indeed, with Nazi blessings, Nedic established the Serbian State Guard, numbering about 20,000, compared to the 3,400 German police in Serbia. Recruiting advertisements for the Serb police force specified that "applicants must have no Jewish or Gypsy blood". This new government established even harsher racial laws than Prince Paul had enacted and immediately established three concentration camps for Jews, Gypsies and others. Nedic formed his own paramilitary storm troops known as the State Guard. The Guard was comprised of former members of the Cetniks which had existed as an all-Serbian para-military police force under Alexander and Paul to enforce loyally from non-Serbian members of the armed forces. When Yugoslavia disintegrated, one faction of cetniks swore allegiance to the new Serbian Nazi government. Another group remained under the pre-war leader Kosta Pecanac who openly collaborated with the Germans. A third Cetnik faction followed the Serbian Fascist Dimitrije Ljotic. Ljotic's units were primarily responsible for tracking down Jews, Gypsies and Partisans for execution or deportation to concentration camps.

The Serbian Orthodox Church openly collaborated with the Nazis, and many priests publicly defended the persecution of the Jews. On 13 August 1941, approximately 500 distinguished Serbs signed "An Appeal to the Serbian Nation", which called for loyalty to the occupying Nazis. The first three signers were bishops of the Serbian Orthodox Church. On 30 January 1942, Metropolitan Josif, the acting head of the Holy Synod of the Serbian Orthodox Church, officially prohibited conversions of Jews to Serbian Orthodoxy, thereby blocking a means of saving Jewish lives. At a public rally, after the government Minister Olcan "thanked God that the enormously powerful fist of Germany had not come down upon the head of the Serbian nation" but instead "upon the heads of the Jews in our midst", the speaker of these words was then blessed by a high-ranking Serbian Orthodox priest.

Bishop Nikolaj Velimirovic, today revered by the majority of Orthodox Serbs as the greatest Serbian religious figure since medieval times and recently canonized as a saint by the Serbian Orthodox Church, espoused writings that were anti-semitic. He claimed that "democracy, labour strikes, socialism, atheism, tolerance to other faiths, pacifism, revolution, capitalism and communism" were all "brought on" by the Jews and "their father the Devil". He was puzzled why the Europeans showed so much tolerance to them and could not see through their "ploys". He also criticized European scientific achievements in the field of particle physics for being anti-Chrtistian and possibly introduced by Jews. Further, he criticized the "mania for cleanliness" as being introduced by the Jews. (Here he used an archaic pejorative term 'Civutin').

Contrary to popular perception of Bishop Velimirovic as somebody who was actively engaged in saving Jews from Nazi-occupied Serbia, only one such action has any basis in history. Ela Trifunovic, born Neuheus, wrote to the Serbian Orthodox Church in 2001, claiming that she had spent 18 months hiding in Ljubostinja monastery where she was smuggled by Velimirovic, guarded and later helped move on with false papers.

In a speech in 1939, Bishop Velimirovic claimed that Serbs were of Arian race "by blood". In the same speech he talked of tribes of "poorer race and lower faith".(Speech for 550th Vidovdan, 28 June 1939 in Ravanica Monastery). In a treatise on Saint Sava, he expressed his admiration for Hitler by comparing him to Saint Sava. He said that Saint Sava had already done for the Serbs what Hitler was doing for the Germans. (See "Nationalism of Saint Sava", in Collected Works of Nikolaj Velimirovic (Vladimir Maksimovic: Belgrade 1996), page 36.

By August 1942 the Serbian government would proudly announce that Belgrade was the first city in the New Order to be Judenfrei or "free of Jews." Only 1,115 of Belgrade's twelve thousand Jews would survive. Ninty-five per cent of the Jewish population of Serbia was exterminated. Still other Chetniks rallied behind Draza Mihailovic, a 48 year-old Army officer who had been court-martialed by Nedic and was known to have close ties to Britain. Early in the War Mihailovic offered some resistance to the German forces while collaborating with the Italians. By July 22, 1941 the Yugoslav Government-in-Exile announced that continued resistance was impossible. Today, many Serbs proudly cite the Chetniks as a resistance force and even claim that the Chetniks were somehow allied with the United States during the Second World War, but this is simply historical revisionism. According to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Chetnik resistance against the Nazis came to a complete stop as early as the end of 1941. Thereafter, the Chetnik resistance actively collaborated with the both Nazis and Fascists, and for this reason Jewish fighters found it necessary to abandon the Chetniks, in favour of Tito's Partisans.

Most Serbs joined the Partisans in great numbers late in the War as entire Cetnik units changed their allegiance. By 1943 Allied support shifted to Tito and by 1944 the Partisans were the only recognized Allied force fighting in Yugoslavia. Josip Broz (Tito) a Croatian Communist, organized a multi-ethnic resistance group, which took up the fight against the Nazis, as well as against the Ustasha's and Chetniks. The overwhelming bulk of resistance activity against German nazis occurred in Bosnia and Croatia. According to Yugoslav statistics, at the height of the war in late 1943, there were 122,000 partisans active in Croatia, 108,000 in Bosnia, and only 22,000 in Serbia.

It is ironic that Serbs, from 1945 onward, continued to use the same coat-of-arms used by the Nazi government of General Milan Nedic during World War II. The Serbian arms, which appeared so prominently on the world' s most viciously anti-Semitic postage stamps during the War, continued to be proudly displayed by Serbian Communist regime. (the Serbian cross with the four cyrillic c's)

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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2007, 02:40:48 PM »
NOBODY BANNED THIS NAZICROAT ?


YOU JTFers WANT TO "debate" WITH IT ?



WHY NOT "DEBATING" ABOUT THIS JEWISH USTASHA ?


http://youtube.com/watch?v=SqmHUn1agcE


AT THE SIXTH MINUT OF THIS VIDEO,

HE BRAGS ABOUT USTASHA/NAZICROAT FUEHRER

ANTE PAVELIC (google it) !!!!!


 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o


"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: the serbs are NOT friends of the jews
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2007, 02:42:53 PM »


These stamps, which juxtaposed Jewish and Serbian symbols portrayed Judaism as the source of world evil and advocated the humiliation and violent subjugation of Jews. The most vicious Anti-Semitic stamps of the period.



Serbian Ant-Communist (Pro Nazi) poster from WW2.





Serbian Anti-Semitic Poster from World War 2.
Part of the Gallery of Serbian Anti-Jewish Exhibition in Belgrade 1941-1942. Serbian newspapers such as Obnova (Renewal) and Nasa Borba (Our Struggle) praised this exhibit, proclaiming that Jews were the ancient enemies of the Serbian people and that Serbs should not wait for the Germans to begin the extermination of the Jews. A few months later, Serbian authorities issued postage stamps commemorating the opening of this popular exhibit.