Should juveniles be executed?

[newman]

* WARNING*
This story is VERY VERY shocking and disturbing.

The murder of a 2 year old by two 10 year olds:

Jon Venables and Robert Thompson had skipped school on February 12, 1993. That day, in the New Strand Shopping Centre, Bootle, they attempted to walk off with a young child. They had succeeded in luring a two-year-old boy away from his mother, and were in the process of taking him out of the shopping centre, when she noticed him missing, ran outside, and called him back. For this, the boys were later charged with attempted abduction; however, the charge was dropped when the jury failed to reach a verdict.

 
Bulger being led away by Venables and Thompson (above Bulger), recorded on shopping centre CCTVThat same afternoon, James Bulger (often called "Jamie Bulger" in press reports), from nearby Kirkby, went on a trip with his mother Denise to a nearby shopping centre. Whilst there, at some point Mrs Bulger realised that her son had gone missing. The two boys had taken him by the hand and led him out of the precinct. This moment was captured on a CCTV camera at 15:39.

The boys took Bulger on a 2½ mile (4 km) walk. At one point, they led him to a canal, where he sustained some injuries to his head and face, after apparently being dropped to the ground. Later on in their journey, a witness reported seeing Bulger being kicked in the ribs by one of the boys, to encourage him along.

During the entire walk, the boys were seen by 38 people, some of whom noticed an injury to the child's head and later recalled that he seemed distressed. Others reported that Bulger appeared happy and was seen laughing, the boys seemingly alternating between hurting and distracting him. A few members of the public challenged the two older boys, but they claimed they were looking after their younger brother, or that he was lost and that they were taking him to the police station, and were allowed to continue on their way. They eventually led Bulger to a section of railway line near Walton, Merseyside.

From the facts disclosed at trial, at this location, one of the boys threw blue modelling paint on Bulger's face. They kicked him and hit him with bricks, stones and a 22 lb (10 kg) iron bar. They then placed batteries in his mouth (false reports that the batteries were placed in his rectum were spread by a chain letter [1] which also stated that Bulger's fingers were cut off using scissors, this again untrue.) Before they left him, the boys laid Bulger across the railway tracks and weighed his head down with rubble, in hopes that a passing train would hit him and make his death appear to be an accident involving a careless boy and a train. Two days later, on the Sunday of the next week, Bulger's body was discovered; a forensic pathologist later testified that he had died before his body was run over by an oncoming train.

What they got:

The boys, who themselves did not testify in their own defence, were found guilty and sentenced to imprisonment at a young offenders institution at Her Majesty's Pleasure. The trial judge, Mr Justice Morland, set their minimum period of incarceration to eight years. This was increased on appeal to 10 years by the Lord Chief Justice, Lord Taylor of Gosforth. Again, it was increased to 15 years by the Home Secretary, Michael Howard, on the grounds that he was "acting in the public interest". This decision was overturned in 1997 by the Law Lords. In October 2000, Lord Chief Justice Harry Woolf reduced their minimum sentence by two years for their behaviour in detention, effectively restoring the original trial judge's eight-year term.


Epilogue:

In June 2001, after a six-month review of the case, the parole board ruled the boys were no longer a threat to public safety and were thus eligible for release now that the minimum tariff had expired. The Home Secretary, David Blunkett, approved the decision, and they were both released that summer. They were given new identities and moved to secret residence locations under a "witness protection"-style action. They will live out their lives on a 'life licence', which allows for their immediate re-incarceration if they break the terms of their release, that is if they are seen to be a danger to the public.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

[Kiwi]

They are evil little buggers and should be put to death.

[newman]

They are evil little buggers and should be put to death.

There was a rumor about them being relocated in Australia!!

[Boeregeneraal]

In June 2006, a widely circulated e-mail message claimed that Dante Arthurs, a man accused of murdering a child in Perth, Western Australia, was in fact one of James Bulger's killers living under a new identity.[6] This claim has also been denied by authorities.

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wouldn't surprise me, after all, Australia is England's human waste disposal centre

[Kiwi]

They are evil little buggers and should be put to death.

There was a rumor about them being relocated in Australia!!

WHAT HELL NO!

[newman]

In June 2006, a widely circulated e-mail message claimed that Dante Arthurs, a man accused of murdering a child in Perth, Western Australia, was in fact one of James Bulger's killers living under a new identity.[6] This claim has also been denied by authorities.

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wouldn't surprise me, after all, Australia is England's human waste disposal centre

Britain has been relocating ex-IRA moles here for years with the authorities' permission.

[Boeregeneraal]

In June 2006, a widely circulated e-mail message claimed that Dante Arthurs, a man accused of murdering a child in Perth, Western Australia, was in fact one of James Bulger's killers living under a new identity.[6] This claim has also been denied by authorities.

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wouldn't surprise me, after all, Australia is England's human waste disposal centre

Britain has been relocating ex-IRA moles here for years with the authorities' permission.

i guess some things never change.
How would a black say? "britaan she stil yar biach" 

[newman]

Back to the topic:

My good buddy Chuck Brooks (formerly of Radio 4BC) said this on juvenile culpability:

"A child knows right from wrong at age 6. They should have asked those two 10 year old monsters that killed the Bulger boy if they would like the court to put paint in their eyes, hit them with bricks and put them on the train tracks. If they said "no", that would prove they knew that their actions were wrong. Those two should be put to sleep"

[newman]

Look how sick the europeans are.

"European Human Rights Commission challenges UK sentencing procedures in the Jamie Bulger case"

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/mar1999/bulg-m24.shtml

[Kiwi]

A child has reached full developmental ability to reason at the age 7. This is the legal cut off age commonwealth countries use.

So a child at 10 is well within the bounds of being charge and tried as and adult, therefore sentenced as one.

These children have no remorse or empathy, which should of developed in the early stages of life.

They are mentally defective and unable to be changed. Death is the only answer. These monsters will kill again. Its about time the courts stop this.
 

[newman]

A child has reached full developmental ability to reason at the age 7. This is the legal cut off age commonwealth countries use.

So a child at 10 is well within the bounds of being charge and tried as and adult, therefore sentenced as one.

These children have no remorse or empathy, which should of developed in the early stages of life.

They are mentally defective and unable to be changed. Death is the only answer. These monsters will kill again. Its about time the courts stop this.
 

When a half-grown dog goes bad and mauls the children and kills the neighbours' cats, you shoot it. You don't wait for it to grow twice as large.

[Kiwi]

A child has reached full developmental ability to reason at the age 7. This is the legal cut off age commonwealth countries use.

So a child at 10 is well within the bounds of being charge and tried as and adult, therefore sentenced as one.

These children have no remorse or empathy, which should of developed in the early stages of life.

They are mentally defective and unable to be changed. Death is the only answer. These monsters will kill again. Its about time the courts stop this.
 

When a half-grown dog goes bad and mauls the children and kills the neighbours' cats, you shoot it. You don't wait for it to grow twice as large.

100% agree 

[Dr. Dan]

* WARNING*
This story is VERY VERY shocking and disturbing.

The murder of a 2 year old by two 10 year olds:

Jon Venables and Robert Thompson had skipped school on February 12, 1993. That day, in the New Strand Shopping Centre, Bootle, they attempted to walk off with a young child. They had succeeded in luring a two-year-old boy away from his mother, and were in the process of taking him out of the shopping centre, when she noticed him missing, ran outside, and called him back. For this, the boys were later charged with attempted abduction; however, the charge was dropped when the jury failed to reach a verdict.

 
Bulger being led away by Venables and Thompson (above Bulger), recorded on shopping centre CCTVThat same afternoon, James Bulger (often called "Jamie Bulger" in press reports), from nearby Kirkby, went on a trip with his mother Denise to a nearby shopping centre. Whilst there, at some point Mrs Bulger realised that her son had gone missing. The two boys had taken him by the hand and led him out of the precinct. This moment was captured on a CCTV camera at 15:39.

The boys took Bulger on a 2½ mile (4 km) walk. At one point, they led him to a canal, where he sustained some injuries to his head and face, after apparently being dropped to the ground. Later on in their journey, a witness reported seeing Bulger being kicked in the ribs by one of the boys, to encourage him along.

During the entire walk, the boys were seen by 38 people, some of whom noticed an injury to the child's head and later recalled that he seemed distressed. Others reported that Bulger appeared happy and was seen laughing, the boys seemingly alternating between hurting and distracting him. A few members of the public challenged the two older boys, but they claimed they were looking after their younger brother, or that he was lost and that they were taking him to the police station, and were allowed to continue on their way. They eventually led Bulger to a section of railway line near Walton, Merseyside.

From the facts disclosed at trial, at this location, one of the boys threw blue modelling paint on Bulger's face. They kicked him and hit him with bricks, stones and a 22 lb (10 kg) iron bar. They then placed batteries in his mouth (false reports that the batteries were placed in his rectum were spread by a chain letter [1] which also stated that Bulger's fingers were cut off using scissors, this again untrue.) Before they left him, the boys laid Bulger across the railway tracks and weighed his head down with rubble, in hopes that a passing train would hit him and make his death appear to be an accident involving a careless boy and a train. Two days later, on the Sunday of the next week, Bulger's body was discovered; a forensic pathologist later testified that he had died before his body was run over by an oncoming train.

What they got:

The boys, who themselves did not testify in their own defence, were found guilty and sentenced to imprisonment at a young offenders institution at Her Majesty's Pleasure. The trial judge, Mr Justice Morland, set their minimum period of incarceration to eight years. This was increased on appeal to 10 years by the Lord Chief Justice, Lord Taylor of Gosforth. Again, it was increased to 15 years by the Home Secretary, Michael Howard, on the grounds that he was "acting in the public interest". This decision was overturned in 1997 by the Law Lords. In October 2000, Lord Chief Justice Harry Woolf reduced their minimum sentence by two years for their behaviour in detention, effectively restoring the original trial judge's eight-year term.


Epilogue:

In June 2001, after a six-month review of the case, the parole board ruled the boys were no longer a threat to public safety and were thus eligible for release now that the minimum tariff had expired. The Home Secretary, David Blunkett, approved the decision, and they were both released that summer. They were given new identities and moved to secret residence locations under a "witness protection"-style action. They will live out their lives on a 'life licence', which allows for their immediate re-incarceration if they break the terms of their release, that is if they are seen to be a danger to the public.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

now this is an example wher ethey shoudl have been put to death...hands down!

[Electra]

Maybe in America you would support execution and probably execute them in the end.
In England and rest of the Europe we do not. Therefore, no.

[newman]

Maybe in America you would support execution and probably execute them in the end.
In England and rest of the Europe we do not. Therefore, no.

Europe appeased the nazis and was nearly taken over but for the USA.

Europe appeased the communists and would have been taken over if not for the USA.

Europe appeases the muSSlims and WILL be taken over.

Therefor I hardly think European values and standards are worth a warm bucket of spit.

[Electra]

Maybe in America you would support execution and probably execute them in the end.
In England and rest of the Europe we do not. Therefore, no.

Europe appeased the nazis and was nearly taken over but for the USA.

Europe appeased the communists and would have been taken over if not for the USA.

Europe appeases the muSSlims and WILL be taken over.

Therefor I hardly think European values and standards are worth a warm bucket of spit.

Lets not go down that road, shall we.

Its not in Europe that we have little kid get a gun and shoot everyone in school every week, do we?

For all I care, execute away all your minors. In fact execute, imprison, kill, rape all your people in America in the name American Justice, for all I care. In Europe we don't follow Saudi Arabia and Iran type of Justice.

Therefore, keep to your own Islamic type justice system. 

You sit there spitting on everything European. If you can give it, you should be able to take it.

[newman]

Maybe in America you would support execution and probably execute them in the end.
In England and rest of the Europe we do not. Therefore, no.

Europe appeased the nazis and was nearly taken over but for the USA.

Europe appeased the communists and would have been taken over if not for the USA.

Europe appeases the muSSlims and WILL be taken over.

Therefor I hardly think European values and standards are worth a warm bucket of spit.

Lets not go down that road, shall we.
Because American 'standards' or lack of could fill a warehouse.

Its not in Europe that we have little kid get a gun and shoot everyone in school every week, do we?

For all I care, execute away all your minors. In fact execute, imprison, kill, rape all your people in America in the name American Justice, for all I care. In Europe we don't follow Saudi Arabia and Iran type of Justice.

Therefore, keep to your own Islamic type justice system.  You sit there spitting on everything European.


If you can give it, you should be able to take it.

In a very short while, Europe is going to get all the "islamic justice" it can handle when it's muSSlim fascist hoardes that they've laid down and surrendered to take over and introduce sharia law.

This will happen because Europeans are too civilised, sophisticated and worldly to do anything as barbaric as say....................oh, defend themselves.

BTW,

"Barbaric, capital punishment America" is the reason you're not speaking german or russian.

[kellymaureen]

I read this book, Every Mother's Nightmare: The Killing of James Bulger, the killers deserve death.  I read that they received death threats when their release time came around and the mother of one of these beasts was SURPRISED that the public could be so cruel....the PUBLIC??? 

They are cold blooded killers and their age has nothing to do with the situation, they were well beyond the age of reasoning, they KNEW what they were doing and deserve nothing less than to be executed for taking that childs life, and in the very gruesome way they did it as well.

[HiWarp]

I read that they received death threats when their release time came around and the mother of one of these beasts was SURPRISED that the public could be so cruel....the PUBLIC??? 

Doesn't surprise me really.  Look at what she raised.

[newman]

I read that they received death threats when their release time came around and the mother of one of these beasts was SURPRISED that the public could be so cruel....the PUBLIC??? 

The mothers of these beasts were drunken, pill-popping, housing project losers who should also be put down for producing such animals.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "...mothers of these beasts were drunken, pill-popping, housing project losers who should also be put down for producing such animals..."

newman, Why do you harbor such animosity against such great "hip-hop" artists?

[newman]

Re:  "...mothers of these beasts were drunken, pill-popping, housing project losers who should also be put down for producing such animals..."

newman, Why do you harbor such animosity against such great "hip-hop" artists?

Those ones were 'wiggers'.

[Electra]

Maybe in America you would support execution and probably execute them in the end.
In England and rest of the Europe we do not. Therefore, no.

Europe appeased the nazis and was nearly taken over but for the USA.

Europe appeased the communists and would have been taken over if not for the USA.

Europe appeases the muSSlims and WILL be taken over.

Therefor I hardly think European values and standards are worth a warm bucket of spit.

Lets not go down that road, shall we.
Because American 'standards' or lack of could fill a warehouse.

Its not in Europe that we have little kid get a gun and shoot everyone in school every week, do we?

For all I care, execute away all your minors. In fact execute, imprison, kill, rape all your people in America in the name American Justice, for all I care. In Europe we don't follow Saudi Arabia and Iran type of Justice.

Therefore, keep to your own Islamic type justice system.  You sit there spitting on everything European.


If you can give it, you should be able to take it.

In a very short while, Europe is going to get all the "islamic justice" it can handle when it's muSSlim fascist hoardes that they've laid down and surrendered to take over and introduce sharia law.

This will happen because Europeans are too civilised, sophisticated and worldly to do anything as barbaric as say....................oh, defend themselves.

BTW,

"Barbaric, capital punishment America" is the reason you're not speaking german or russian.

We are going down the hole, noone is denying that. Thats why we're trying to fix it.

In case anyone cares, Sharia is practiced in UK in civil matters. Based on ''Nigeria'' model, they want to introduce it in UK as an alternative in ALL matters.

I associate deciding who is gonna live and who is going to die with Muslims, Nazis and dictatorships under the banner of communism, hence my resilience to it.

[Lisa]

I heard about this case a while back, and yes, I think those boys should have been executed.  But since there's no death penalty in Britain, they should have been in jail for life.  Their parents should have also been thrown in jail for failing to civilize their kids. 

[Electra]

I heard about this case a while back, and yes, I think those boys should have been executed.  But since there's no death penalty in Britain, they should have been in jail for life.  Their parents should have also been thrown in jail for failing to civilize their kids. 

Lisa,

There is something really wrong here. (in Britain)

This was a high profile case, but it is in NO way isolated. Children are also killing adults. Just recently, on a Halloween party a 14 year old boy killed a 35 year old man over a cigarette.
On a Bonfire night, bunch of CHILDREN killed a man by setting him on fire.
Two nights ago, two 22 year olds were kicked to death by a gang of...boys(?). Both went to coma, boy survived and girl didn't...

ETC...

There seems to be something really wrong here which needs investigating...