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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2007, 10:52:06 PM »
is this true?

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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2007, 11:00:05 PM »
no the Croats wish they were related to us Persians...

If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2007, 07:02:54 AM »
From ItalianZionist's link (in black)
with my Serbian comments (in red):

"THE IRANIAN THEORY OF CROATIAN ORIGINS According to S. Sakac and other orientalists and archaeologists the word "Croat" is derived from the name of an Iranian or Persian tribe known as the Harahvati.

NOT an Iranian/Persian "tribe",
but a "harahvatian" one,
and one
that PAID
TRIBUTE
TO IRANIANS/PERSIANS.

http://www.vohuman.org/SlideShow/Tribute%20Bearers%20of%20Persepolis/Tribute%20Bearers%20of%20Persepolis.htm


 8;)

Today the Croats call themselves "Hrvati" in their own language.

AND USTASHA, ALSO.



 :o

The word "Harahvati" appears in Iranian inscriptions from the time of Darius the Great (521- 485 B.C.E.).

"inscription" mentionning the SUBJECTS,
NOT THE IRANIAN RULERS.


 8;)

That monarch divided his empire into twenty-odd satrapies or provinces. One of these was called "Harauutis". During the administration of Xerxes this name changed to "Haravatis." Still another variation, "Harouvatis", appears on a map of lands subject to the Achaemenid kings of old Iran.

WHATEVER THE "name",
a TRIBUTE WAS TO BE PAID, TO PERSIA.

http://www.livius.org/da-dd/darius/darius_i_t08.html


 8;)

This province occupied the district of Helm and the surrounding area in the vicinity of Kandahar in modern Afghanistan. The name "Harahvati" appears in Darius' "List of Peoples",

"LIST OF SUBJECTED PEOPLES"...

 8;)

and the Greek commentators of the Alexandrian epoch referred to them also. Carvings in the Persian royal palaces excavated at Persepolis show the Harahvatis leading camels

"harahvatis" leading camels...

 :::D


"harahvatis" leading camels...

How noble...

 :::D

You have to know,
that when the tribute bearers arrived
in the Apadana (Persian King's Palace),
they were LED to the King.

Thus, you have a "croat" leading a CAMEL,
and this very "croat" is LED
by a REAL/TRUE IRANIAN SOLDIER.

Camel first, "croat" second
.

  ;D

"croats" did the same
during all the time of austro-hungaria,
they led the horses of their
germano-magyar MASTERS,
as well.


 8;)

We Serbs call them after their
main "profession" in austria-hungary:
KONJUSARI (pronounce KONYOOSHARREE)
which means HORSE-LADS.
slovenes did the same "job"...
HISTORIC.


 8;)

As for us, Serbs, we
were famous for our Warrior's skills,
from the ancient times,
through austria-hungary,
up to now:



In the austria-hungary time...

 8;)

and bearing gifts to offer to the King of Kings
.

SEE "croats" LICK THE IRANIAN ARSES...
They 'll repeat this with other fuehrers...


 8)

For a long time, however, the etymological connection between "Hrvati" (Croats) and "Haralivati" or "Haravati" was over looked because the Greeks and Macedonians, after Alexander the Great's conquest of the Persian empire in 333 B.C.E., changed the name of the province of Harahvati to the Greek form, Arachosia. Thus for more than two thousand years the original appellation was forgotten.24

So,
up to now,
we see croats
as SUBJECTS
of Iranian Kings.

NOTHING ELSE.

 8;)

"croats" PAID TRIBUTE
TO IRANIAN KINGS.

 8;)

NUMEROUS PEOPLES WERE SUCH SUBJECTS.
 
You don't see them calling themselves
"Iranians" just because of having done so.

 ;D

They had to show they were subducted
by the Iranians, and that was the very purpose
of CARVING their unfamous "name",
to display them (croats) as JUST SUBJECTS,
paying TAXES (in the form of "gifts" here).

The future german-arses-lickers began
by licking iranian ones.



 8)

There are old Croatian customs and national poems that have been cited as evidencing lingering traces of the fire and sun worship of the Iranians.

"of the Iranians", NOT OF THE "croats"....

 8;)

Fire, the essence of human origin, the sun, and the great boiling cauldron around which the warriors spring in the age old kolo or circle dance,

This "age old kolo or circle dance",
A SERBIAN TRADEMARK.



Serbian Kolo Dance.

 8;)

all these are ingredients in the national lore of the Croatian nation.

Better and far more truly said:
NAZICROATS STOLE THIS TO THE SERBS.


The Croat vilas or fairy witches resemble the peris of Iranian mythology.

Vile (plural of Vila=fairy) are Serbian,
you find them in numerous Serbian Poems,
and in the world-renowned and famous Serbian Epics.
All of the Serbian History is embroided with Vila adventures.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_fairies
http://cmrs.osu.edu/rcmss/Newsletter/CMHV03/CMHv03p01.htm
http://danaangrove.net/serbian_and_slavic_folklore.htm

 8;)

Then there is the legendary Sviato zov,

Is Svyati Zov (Holy Calling) ?
This is a Slavic Name.

And "croats" are NOT Slavs.


 8;)

the personification of strength, a being almost too huge for the earth to bear. He is strongly reminiscent of the "elephant-bodied" Rustum of Persian legend.

He seems to be more like Greek Atlas...

 8;)

Of course there is nothing especially unique in resemblances of this nature appearing in the folklore of apparently unrelated peoples.

"Of course"....WHY talking about this,
then, if not to fulfill some emptiness ?


 ^-^

What about Russian SVIATOGOR, huge as a Mountain ?


Gigantic Russian Svyatogor (Holy Mountain).

Are Russian Iranians ?

"SVIAT, SVETI" means "SAINT, HOLY".....in SLAVIC.


 8;)

Perhaps even more suggestive of a possible Asiatic origin

IS THIS SCIENCE ?

 :D

is the distinction between Croatian horse harness and that of the western peoples.

What about a Serbian horse-harness and its DISTINCTION with that of western (croat) peoples ?

Are we Serbs EVEN MORE Iranians than croats, because located more eastern of them croats ?


Also the fire-producing apparatus used by the Croats throughout the ages,

The VERY Serbian Coat-of-Arms shows 4 "briquets",
fire-starters, which are DEFINITELY
"fire-producing apparatus".



This is called "briquet" in french heraldry,
and "ocilo" ("otsilo") or "ognilo", in Serbian Heraldry.


 8;)


And here is the Serbian Coat-of-Arms,
with its well-known four "briquets/FIRE STARTERS".


 8;)


This is how a "briquet/OCILO,OGNILO/fire starter" starts a fire...

 8;)

the whips and staffs carried by the herdsmen, and the embroidery of the caps and shawls sometimes worn by the Croat women definitely shows an Asiatic inspiration in the opinion of many art critics and experts.

Is an "opinion" scientific ?

What about Serbian embroideries ?


Serbian Female Costume.

 8;)

What about Russian embroideries ?



 8;)

What about Slavic embroideries IN GENERAL ?


 :D

Obviously, however, the Croats could have copied Avar or Magyar modes in these connections.

Finally the Truth...

NAZICROAPES imitating their MASTERS.

 :)

Partisans of the Iranic theory of Croatian origins nonetheless are able to cite additional indications of similarity between these two geographically separated groups.

"Partisans" ?
Is this a new manner
of calling USTASHA ?


 :D

The Croatian historian, Luka Jelic, has identified certain elements in the old commercial organization of Dalmatia as being of indubi table Persian origin.

"certain elements" are ENOUGH
to make the NAZICROATS "Iranians".......

MUCH MORE than "certain elements"
make NAZICROATS BUTCHER-APES-ZOMBIES.


 8)

Jelic believes also that it was the Alans who contributed the Iranian touch that such art authorities as Professor J. Strzygowski have noted in early Croat artistic forms.

"the Alans", "the iranian TOUCH"...
...NOT the "croatian" touch.


 8;)

Strzygowski has called attention to the striking similarity that exists between Persian architecture and ornamentation of the Sassanid period (225 C.E. -641 C.E. ) and the earliest known work of the Croats in these fields of expression. Ivo Pilar and Joseph Peisker both have argued that the Croats brought with them to Dalmatia elements of the Zoroastrian religion of Iran, or of even older Iranic faiths.

They BROUGHT it with them.
Iranians created it,
NOT the croats.


A guy brought his computer,
this doesn't mean he's an informatician.


 :D

On the other hand a number of amateur historians, such as Archbishop Bohusz-Szestrencewicz in the last century, considered that a great many ancient peoples origin ally had the same language and religion as those of the Medes and the Persians.

So what ?...

 ::)

The emphasis placed by the Slavs upon farming activities he explained in terms of the religious injunctions of Zoroaster to cultivate agriculture. Unquestionably there is a tinge of dualism in the old Slavic religion and it is not impossible that this represents a heritage from Zoroastrian dualism.25

NAZICROATS CLAIM THEY'RE NOT SLAVS.

THEY SLAUGHTERED SERBS, CALLING THEM SERBO-SLAVS.

AND THEY CAN'T PROVE THEY'RE "IRANIANS" EITHER.

(They can FOOL the westerners,
NOT the Serbs,
that's why they hate us to Death.)

POOR NAZICROATSCUMBAGSOFTHEUNIVERSE...


 :D :D :D

In early times the Croatian G-d of light was Vid, while Crnobog, the G-d of darkness, was representative of the principle of evil. The parallel with the Iranian G-d of light, Ahura-Mazda, the personification of good, and his rival, Ahri man, G-d of darkness, is striking.

Once again, Vid and CernoBog are Slavic, NOT Iranian Gods.
If there's a parallel, this parallel is Slavo-Serbo-Iranian, NOT croato-Iranian,
since NAZICROATS CLAIMED TO SHITLER-who believed them-NOT TO BE SLAVS.



 8;)

That old treatise, L'Abrege des Merveilles relates that some of the Slavs (does this statement refer actually to the Croats particularly?)

NO, NOT TO THE croats.
They're not Slavs.
They CLAIM to be "Illyrians, Avars (i.e. Mongols,
thus not Indo-Europeans), Goths, Iranians..."


 ;D

followed the religion of the Magians (priests of Zoroaster) and adored the sun and fire.

This was for the Slavs
(read just above, about Zozoaster),
like the Serbs and Russians.


 8;)

It mentions also a nation living between the Slavs and the Franks which worshipped the planets. This nation was very intelligent and skilled in the art of war which it conducted against the Slavs and the "Turks". The latter reference must be to the Magyars, and it is noteworthy that Hungarian national legends preserve a vague memory of contact with the Alans, and that the linguistic history of the Hungarian nation contains evidence of Alan or other Caucasian influences. When it is recalled that the present day descendants of the Alans in the Caucasus, the Ossets or Osseten, still call themselves Iron (Parthians), the role of the Alans as the transmitters of Iranian influences and traditions of various kinds seems plausible.

All this for saying what about the croats ?
NOT A WORD, NOTHING, NADA, NIENTE, NICHTS, NISHTA.


 8;)

For instance L'Abrege declares that this "nation living between the Slavs and the Franks" held seven feasts annually to correspond with the number of the planets and that the most splendid celebration was that of the sun. It has to be recollected in this connection that the number seven was of special occult significance in Iranian thinking.26

STILL NOTHING ABOUT THE so-called "croats".
It's just word after word, after word,
to emphasize on......NOTHING.


 8;)

There are some words in the Croatian language that undoubtedly are of Iranian origin, but the same may be said for most of the Slavic languages.

ARE THE SLAVS IRANIANS ?

 8;)


SLAVIA, by Alphonse Mucha.

 8;)

IF SO, WHAT HAVE THE croats TO DO HERE ?
THEY THEMSELVES CLAIM TO BE NON-SLAVS
AND PROVED IT IN WWII.



 >:( >:( >:(



 >:( >:( >:(

After all the Iranians were related to all the Indo-European peoples who spread over western Asia and Europe and it would be remarkable if there were not linguistic similarities to be found here and there.

AT LAST, SOME OBJECTIVITY.

 8)

It is peculiar, however, that the title of "ban" was used among no other European people save the Croats.

This "ban" is pronounced "pan" in Polish...who are Slavs.

BANE is a Serbian first name.

BANAT/BANOVINA is Serbian.


 8;)

This word is found in the same form and with the same accent in Persian. Further more it possesses the same significance in the two languages, "grand seigneur", "great lord", "supreme commander", "patron". At the seventh international congress of Byzantine studies in Brussels in 1948 the Abbé Marin Tadin also called attention to the fact that the Croat word Zupan appears to be of Babylonian origin. It is true that the Serbs among other Slavs use this term also, but they probably picked it up from the Croats originally.

Yes, certainly DID the Serbs "pick up"
a SLAVIC WORD to non-Slavic croats...


 :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D

Etymologists believe, too, that the names of some of the Croat nobles in very early times,

"in very early times" ?!?...
When ?

What is this "time"

when croats

are supposed to be "Iranians",
 
since we ONLY see/read HERE

Serbo-Slavic Names ?


 :D

such as Momir, Vonomir, and Jezdimir

These names are Serbian, Slavic ones.

HOW MANY MOMIR, VOJNOMIR, JEZDIMIR
WERE SLAUGHTERED BY NAZICROATS ?...


NAZICROATS that LICKED
wolfgang's,
helmut's,
adolf's,
laszlo's,
imre's
ARSES !!!



 8;)

are identical with the forms Möes, Vonon, and Jezda, discovered in the annals of the Iranians.

This "identity" is a SlavoSerbo-Iranian one.

Tadin considers that the Croat word "mir" is a derivative of the Iranian "mihr" which relates to Mithra "lord". If his theory is correct the suffix "mir", which appears in so many Croat names, signified originally "siegneur" or "lord" instead of the Slavic meaning "peace".

"Mir" is Slavic, you've got it with various Polish "CASIMIR...",
Russian "VLADIMIR...", Serbian "MOMIR, ZVONIMIR, VLADIMIR...",
And "MIR" in Russian also means "PLANET".


 8;)

Tadin also holds that the Croat names for the days of the week and the months of the year convey their exact meaning only in terms of the Zoroastrian philosophy of ancient Iran.

These names are SLAVIC ones.

 8;)

It is certainly true that the names of some of the earliest known Croat chiefs, such as Varda and Pervaviega, are typically Iranian,

HOW MUCH were these "chiefs"  "croat" ?
We saw croats PAYING TRIBUTE
to the Iranian King,
THIS is THEIR "Chief".

 8;)

By the way, "VAR" is SLAVIC,
meaning guard, like in the Russian "SAMOVAR",
the one that guards the (good, hot) temperature.

And "P(e)RVA" is ALSO SLAVIC,
meaning "the FIRST" (female gender).
Male gender would be, in this case,
"P(e)RVI/O".

This only shows croats were subdued by
some SLAVIC/SERBIAN WOMEN (Amazons).


 ;D ;D ;D

"Urosh" is a Serbian name,
borrowed to the Hungarians,
that doesn't make the Serbs "hungarian".


 8;)

Native Americans today baptize themselves "John", "Mark", etc.
That doesn't make them racially "anglo-saxons"...


 8;)

 and that the name of one of the seven or eight original great Croat tribes, Jamomet, also appears to be of Iranian origin.

These "names" ONLY APPEAR TO BE this or that....
"Jammin' , oh jammin' ...."


 ;D ;D ;D

Even in the Carpathian area today there are names that seem to be derived from old Persian and it is more than likely that the Croats on their march southwards left splinter groups behind them who applied these Iranian names to the districts in which they lived.

The only "march" when "croats" left something behing them,
was the BLEIBURG (google this !!!) one...

Have a look at these NAZICROATSWINES:
http://www.siroki.info/foto_galerija-bcavar.asp

And see an USTASHA/NAZICROAT CANNIBALISTIC FEMALE
MOURNING FOR DEAD WWII USTASHA/NAZICROATS,
RIGHTEOUSLY PUNISHED SOMEWHERE IN GERMAN (theit ally) LAND...
...THERE, IN BLEIBURG...




 >:( >:( >:(

There is another piquant circumstance that needs to be mentioned. When the Croats settled on the Adriatic those who lived north of the Cetina river were known as White Croats, while those dwelling be tween the Neretva and Lake Skutari in Albania were called Red Croats. It was the Iranian custom to designate cardinal points by colors. White stood for the west, and of course the Croats north of the Cetina were the westernmost of all the Croats. Red to the Iranians meant south or southern. The use of colors to indicate directions is not found among the Slavs save where they may have been influenced by Croat examples.28

Waow, the "croat" example !!!.....
Thank G-d, ALL THE SLAVS didn't follow "it",
because now, the NAZISWASTIKA would be high
in the air, today......


 ^-^

What about WHITE SERBIA ?!...


 8;)

Did Serbs follow "croat" "example" ?...
Do Serbs have a "tradition" of "following"
"croat examples" ?
Do Slavs have a "tradition" of "following"
"croat example" ?!...


 8;)

"croat pityful history"
LED NAZICROATS TO BUILD N.D.H. ,
LED NAZICROATS TO  DEPEND  ON GERMANY
IF THEY WISH TO simply EXIST !!!



 ;D ;D ;D

While the Slavs hate germany,
NAZICROATS DREAM IN NAZIGERMAN.


Now in iranian....

Poor ugly beasts.

Shame of Mankind.


 8;)

Striking analogies between the social structure and culture of the Croats in early times and those of the ancient Iranians can be cited too. There is no doubt that the Croats differed radically in these respects from the Slavs with whom their name has been associated traditionally. Until well into the medieval era the organization of the Croats was tribal in character, and the denomination of social units and the functioning of these units is remarkably like that of the Iranian tribal organization of the seventh century B.G.29

These organizations are
just the famous SLAVIC "ZADRUGA"
(plural "zadruge") (pronounce "zadrooga").
They were "tribal", a big Family,
or a handful of Families, tied together.


 8;)

Perhaps the same (or not ?)
could be said concerning
the Israeli Kibbutzes ?


Are Slavs and israelis "iranians" ?

When the Croats arrived in the Adriatic lands they were a society of warrior and shepherd families.

"warriors" that were
ONLY SUBJECTS to the Iranian
Kings (and Folk)....


 ;D

They were cattle herders rather than agriculturists, unlike the Slavs.

This ONLY sentence DISPROOVES
the claiming of croats having the same
way of cultivating as the Zoroastrians,
mentionned above...


REMEMBER THIS ? From a bit above:
"The emphasis placed by the Slavs upon farming activities he explained in terms of the religious injunctions of Zoroaster to cultivate agriculture. Unquestionably there is a tinge of dualism in the old Slavic religion and it is not impossible that this represents a heritage from Zoroastrian dualism.25"

 8;)

This is WHAT you get,
when you DISTORT History.


 8;)

Basically they were warriors,

Basically, they were SUBJECTS of the Iranians.
Never forget this, have it always in mind.
Iranians didn't forget to CARVE this a long ago.


Do warriors NEED germany ?


 8;)

although there unquestionably were Slavic agriculturist elements subject to them.

An "element" they desperatly
NEED in order to "pick up" SLAVIC
WORDS/CUSTOMS/BELIEFS.

First, "croats" are NOT ABLE
to subsist by themselves
(have in mind the croat "song"/tribute

"DANKE DEUTSCHLAND", in modern times).

Second, how much were
the Slavs "subjects" to "croats" ?


 :D

The social formation was that of the tribe having as its basic subdivision the large communal family or bratsvo. This family group had as its center the kuca or dom. From the latter stems the term domena, which is similar to the Persian demana meaning house.

ALL SLAVIC-SERBIAN TERMS.
"croats" CLAIM TO BE
NON-SLAVS/SERBS.


 8;)

Specialists in the social history of Iran seven centuries before Christ know that the center of the Iranian family group at this epoch was the demana. Absolute master of this demana was the dengpaitis. In like manner there reigned over the Croatian domena in early times the gospodar or domacin.

"gospodar/domacin" are Slavic words.
Russian "hospodar"...


 8;)

Are Slavs, Serbs, Russians "Iranians" ?...

 8;)

Perhaps this word can best be translated in general terms as "head".

WHY on earth don't you ask a Slav,
since "croats" seem NOT to know, and,
therefore, you lack the information ?

 8)

"Domacin" is the master of his "dom",
which is "home" in english,
"heim" in german,
"domus" in latin.


 8;)

Are all indo-Europeans "Iranians" ?!?!?!?!....

While the authority of the Croat domacin was by no means so extensive as that of the dengpaitis among the early Iranians, the fact remains that right down to Tito's day the father's power in Croat peasant families has remained exceptional by western standards.

"Domacin" (pronounce "domatcheen")
is a Serbian word, for a Serbian function.


 8;)

WHERE WAS THE "croat" "domacin"
WHEN THE NAZIGERMANS
KNOCKED AT HIS HOME'S DOOR ?!?...


The "croat" "domacin" (which he wasn't)
LICKED GERMAN'S ARSE AND BALLS.


 8;)

THIS IS NOT
WHAT WE SERBS
CALL, IN OUR OWN LANGUAGE,
A "DOMACIN", A MASTER
OF HIS HOME.


 8;)

The prince's household in seventh century Iran was organized on the same model as that of the ordinary family group. This princely household was known as the vis. Its master was the visopaitis. The Croat social organization was such that the relationship of the family community to the household of its chief corresponded to that of the Iranian family groups within the vis. Some etymologists think that this word vis is the ancestor of the Croat word yes which used to mean a territory inhabited by several family communities forming a bratsvo or fraternity. A parallel can be drawn, too, between the Croat word, zupa, and the Iranian term, zantav. The latter meant a district ruled by a chief called the zantupaitis whose jurisdiction was most extensive. Some of the Croat Zhupan, or chief of the zupe (plural of zupa), possessed the same competence as the zantupaitis. Among both the Iranians and the Croats a definite clan or tribe had its own zantav or zupa.

Zupa, Zupe, Zupan, Zupanija are Serbian words/functions.

 8;)

Where would "croats" be
without Serbian Culture/Language,
and without german help to steel them
from the Serbs ?!?...


 :o

Ask yourself this question...


 8;)

The conclusion cannot be avoided that the early Croat society of warriors and herdsmen

HEY !!! NOT SO QUICKLY...
WHERE ARE THE SUBJECTS
(whose name was carved,
your "haravaitis" "croats" !!!)
OF THE IRANIAN KINGS ?!?...


 ???

bore a much closer resemblance to that of the Iranians,

"resemblance" ?!?

who are indo-Europeans....

and the Ural-Altaic peoples,

who are NOT Indo-europeans...

"croats" "resemble" one thing AND the other ?!?...

They would be green AND red, at the same time ?

Conclusion: "croats" are water-melons !!!


 :::D :::D :::D

whose formation was similar to the one found in Iran, than it did to the Slavic agriculturist groups.

Remember what was said about
these exact same Slavic groups related
to ZOROASTER HIMSELF ?


 8;)

In this connection the predominance of horsemen among the early Croats is worth more than passing notice. Constantine Porphy rogenitus himself was impressed by the high ratio of mounted to foot soldiers in the tenth century Croat armies. It is thought by some authorities that the mounted element in the Croat national forces in the time of her national kings represented the descendants of the Iranian ancestors of the Croatians, while the infantry were of Slavic descent.

USTASHA AUTHORITIES ?...


The ONE AND ONLY THING about "Iranians" in "croat ancestry"
is that CROAT PAID TRIBUTE TO IRANIAN EMPIRE.


 8;)

However that may be ancient Croat tombs bear mute witness to the equestrian past of this nation.

How much are "croats" a "nation",
without german help ?...



 8;)

The "equestrian past" of this barely "nation"
belongs to the Avaric part of their leaders
("croats" say themselves they ARE a MIX of Peoples).


 8;)

Besides curved sabers, the sign of nobility,

An Iranian "nobility", or an avaric one,
NOT a "croat" one, since they paid tribute
to the Iranian Empire,
NOT to some "croat" empire...


 8;)

there are found regularly in such tombs many appurtenances of the early Croat cavalrymen who stood behind the Croat chiefs.

"croat" CHIEFS were Iranians,
the exact same ones to whom
"croats" paid tribute.
AND "croats" BRAG ABOUT THAT !!!



This picture shows the Apadana stairway,
where "croats" and other subjugated, submitted peoples
were displayed, PAYING TRIBUTE TO IRANIANS.


Carvings of mounted warriors and of horses are seen more frequently on these early sepulchers than is customary among European peoples.

European Peoples didn't PAY
TRIBUTE TO THE IRANIAN KINGS.


 8;)

Peculiar, too, is the circumstance that until the middle of the eighteenth century many Croat highlanders

Is it a movie ?
"highlanders" of Pannonia, a FLAT Land...

 :::D :::D :::D

 8;)

continued to live in wooden huts mounted on wheels.

Like Gypsies...



but Gypsies were slaughtered
by "croats"...who don't respect
the Gypsie "lingering heritage of Iranian nomadic culture"...


 8;)

This mobile way of life may present another lingering heritage of Iranian nomadic culture.

"lingering" GYPSIE (Indo-European) "heritage"...

 8;)

So may the dog carvings and dog tombs found scattered among the oldest graveyards. In the Iran of antiquity dog, cat, and horse were all held in high esteem.

If dogs were in high esteem in Iranian Empire,
so weren't the "croats",
who had to PAY TRIBUTE...
,
perhaps, even to these Iranian dogs !!!

 :::D :::D :::D

Rather than to continue to cite linguistic evidence and analogies in ways of life

UP TO NOW,
WE ONLY HAD SLAVIC EVIDENCIES,
AND ANALOGIES IN WAY OF LIFE,
NOT "croat" ones.


 8;)

it appears advisable to try to determine how the Iranians, if they were ancestors of the Croats,

IF  IF   IF....

 8;)

got to Europe. Professor Sakac supposes that they emigrated from Iran to the Caucasus. Professor Francis Dvornik holds that it is more probable that some Harahvatis did not go into Iran with the main body of their nation but remained in the steppe country between the Caspian and Aral Seas.

"in the steppe", FAR from PERSEPOLIS,
where they were allowed to come JUST
TO PAY TRIBUTE, and this is quite a FACT.

 8;)

Look at the APADANA (on the stairs of it)
of PERSEPOLIS (google this !!!),
and you will see NUMEROUS peoples coming
TO PAY TRIBUTE TO IRANIAN EMPIRE.


 8;)

"croats" are PROUD of having their name CARVED
on a stone, about HOW THEY PAID TRIBUTE !!!

 :D

THIS IS UNIC !!!



 :D

You won't see Serbs, there,
coming for "paying any tribute",
to ANY "Iranian King"...
But Serbs lived in those areas too.


 O0

Serbs are fierce.
They showed it
up to nowadays.


 O0

From this vantage point at a somewhat later date they could have moved to wards the Sea of Azov and the Caucasus. Still another theory to explain the arrival of the Harahvatis in Europe relies upon their presence in force in the Scythian expedition undertaken by Darius the Great in 516 B.C.E.

This movie is supposed to be History ?!?...

 :o

This venture was the first historically recorded attack of Asia upon Europe. Darius' hosts crossed the Bosporus just as they were to do in their invasion of classic Greece later in his reign. They marched north through Thrace to the Danube. En route the natives in their path submitted peacefully to the King of Kings.

"SUBMITTED PEACEFULLY TO THE KING OF KINGS"......
This is where we find "croat w a r r i o r s "....
THEY PAID TRIBUTE TO THE KING OF KINGS.

 8;)

The army crossed the Danube by a bridge of boats that the Iranian fleet built for it near the modern Rumanian towns of Galatz and Braila. Then it plunged on into the trans-Danubian wilderness. According to the "Father of History", Herodotus, the expedition followed the Black Sea route to the Don steppes in southern Russia. If Herodotus' report is correct Darius' cohorts must have marched north or northwest a cross the Moldavian plain, for he says that the tribes that opposed them beyond the Danube retreated towards the "land of the Agathyrs", which lay in the Carpathians. The Iranians then crossed the Dniester, Bug, and Dnieper rivers and arrived finally at the Volga. Old Persian forts are said to have existed for centuries afterwards between the Volga and the Don. But in the steppe land of southern Russia the Persians experienced the same fate that later day invaders of the Muscovite lands were to encounter - they ran short of supplies. Now there began a race back to the Danube as from every where Scythian tribes hurried up to cut off the stragglers. The Persian sick and wounded as well as their transport had to be abandoned. Strong rear guards had to be left behind at river crossings and at other strategic points to cover the retirement of the main body which successfully repassed the Danube.

IN ALL OF THIS,
EVERY SINGLE THING IS PERSIAN/IRANIAN.
WHERE ON EARTH ARE THE "croat nobles" ?!?...


 :o :o :o

It is by no means impossible that a Harahvati nucleus was left behind in the wake of the retreat and that it survived and stayed in southern Russia where the Croats later on turned up.

"a harahvati NUCLEUS" ?!?...
WHY NOT A MONO-CELLULAR
PREHISTORIC LIFE-FORM ?!?


 :::D :::D :::D

Obviously there is not a shred of evidence to support such a fanciful hypothesis.

AT LAST, we can breath...

 :D

But it seems worthwhile to cite the theory here

Where are the FACTS,
where is HISTORY ?


 :o :o :o

because it is scarcely less fantastic than the commonly accepted cliche that the Croats, Serbs, and Slovenes were of identical stocks.

Serbs do have NOTHING IN COMMON
with these german-arse's-lickers,
that's for sure.



 8;)

Indubitably much work remains to be done in comparing and correlating the oldest historical materials with the known movements of peoples from western Asia into southern Russia.

"Indubitably", these LIES here,
aren't CONVINCING (far from that !!!)
those who know, and amongf them,
the SLAVS and SERBS THEMSELVES.


 8;)

An Irishman can tell a non-initiated
WHATEVER he wants about his nation's past,
and we could easily get fooled....
...BUT A "croat" CAN'T FOOL
A SERBIAN, A SLAVIC MAN.


 8;)

Yet the connecting role played by the Alans in the formation of the Croatian nation

WHAT ABOUT SHITLER'S ROLE in the same "task" ?!?...


What is this for a "nation"
when it NEEDS someone else's
"connecting role" ?!?...



 :o :o :o

ASK YOURSELF...

 8;)

from various Iranian elements, Goths, Slavs, and Avars, seems almost self-evident.

WHAT A FU..ING SOUP !!!!!!
And this fi..ing soup
is "croatia"...


30 It should not be forgotten that the Alans were still to be found around Tanisis as late as the fourth century. The Hunnic invasion of 375 C.E.  hit them first and all those who were able to outride the Huns joined the Goths, their nearest neighbors.

So what ?!?
WE SPEAK ABOUT "croats" HERE...


 8;)

It is almost certain that the term "White Croats" was employed to distinguish Croatians of predominately Gothic descent

What about White Serbia,
in nowadays germany,
the so-called Lusatian Serbs ?


 8;)

from those who betrayed

This verb is, for the least, ironic,
concerning what "croats" did to
their once allies, the Serbs.



visibly or in customs their Alan or other Iranic ancestry.

Where's the SCIENTIFIC, HISTORIC PROOF
for "croats" having an "Iranian/Alanic Ancestry" ?

 :D

The ONLY EVIDENCES ABOUT THIS
PROOVED THAT THE SLAVS
-NOT THE "croats"-
WERE RELATED TO IRANIANS/ALANS/SARMATIANS/SCYTHIANS.


 8;)

In time, however, all of the Alanic nobility acquired the designation "White"."

Still, what about White Serbia ?



 8;)

This was long,
but necessary. 


I hope you understand better now...

And this poor thing,
once more, just for you all
to APPRECIATE NAZICROAT
"PRIDE AND NOBILITY"...


 8;) 8;) 8;)

« Last Edit: November 23, 2007, 12:32:39 PM by Husar »
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2007, 07:12:25 AM »
"Are Croats related to Iranians?"



As SUBJECTS, definitely.


 :)
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2007, 07:57:47 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2007, 08:00:14 AM »
no the Croats wish they were related to us Persians...



I was about to say. There is not really a chance, beasts like Croats could possibly be related to Persians.
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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2007, 08:31:19 AM »
"Are Croats related to Iranians?"

No,
but to international
"neo"-NAZISM,
yes.

 8;)
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2007, 08:34:29 AM »
Furthermore,
the name of the site isn't good,
at least, concerning the NAZICROATS.

www.raceandhistory.com/Science/croatia.htm

It is neither "history", nor "science"...

It's just about some (plenty, in fact):
"theory", "if", "supposed",
and so on...

 8;)
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
--

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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2007, 08:46:34 AM »
The ONLY genetically/ethnically related "croats" to Iranians
are the converted (to scatholicism) Serbs.

Being and remaining Slavs, Serbs are,
as any other Slav, and Indo-European in general,
related to Iranians AND (Hindu/Buddist) Indians.

Conversions (more or less forced) of Serbs to scatholicism
occured from the times of the austro-hungarian empire,
up to N.D.H. (google this NDH) /NAZICROATIA.

N.D.H., "independant state of croatia",
converted forcingly ONE THIRD
of Bosnia's Serbian Population.

It was USTASHA/NAZICROAT "program",
concerning the Serbs, in croatia, bosnia,
and even Serbia, since N.D.H. "borders"
went as far as to Belgrade's Doors (!!!):

one third Serbs slaughtered,
one third Serbs converted to scatholicism,
the last third Serbs forced OUT of their Land.

NAZICROATS slaughtered almost A MILLION SERBS.
This means they converted almost A MILLION SERBS.
The "last" MILLION having been forced to depart to Serbia proper.

This is one of the reasons why "croats"
do have a KOLO/CIRCLE DANCE,
which is the National dance of Serbia and Serbs.

If KOLO is related to Iran in whatsoever,
it's ONLY due to its Serbian-Slavic Roots.

This is just for one example,
among plenty of them.

 8;)



"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
--

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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2007, 06:34:35 PM »
"Are Croats related to Iranians?"

NO.
They are related
to german balls.

 ;D


"Are Croats related to Iranians?"

NO.
They are related
to my dog's tail.

 ;D

Yes, I hate them.

 :)

NAZICROATSCUMBAGSOFTHEUNIVERSE.

 :)

I hope ItalianZionist
has read my answer
to his question...

 :)



« Last Edit: November 24, 2007, 06:39:51 PM by Husar »
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2007, 07:47:35 PM »
I would guess most eastern europeans are distinguishable from Iranians, particularly wider facial features, and a rounder face.  I have not studied the Croats enough to make any definite conclusions about their ancestry and anthropology.

If you look at the Mediterranean people, which I would think includes many Iranians, they will be found mainly within Southern Europe and in Greece, if you are talking about Europe.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2007, 07:49:28 PM by EagleEye »

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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2007, 09:01:21 PM »
"Are Croats related to Iranians?"

NO.
They are related
to german balls.

 ;D


"Are Croats related to Iranians?"

NO.
They are related
to my dog's tail.

 ;D

Yes, I hate them.

 :)

NAZICROATSCUMBAGSOFTHEUNIVERSE.

 :)

I hope ItalianZionist
has read my answer
to his question...

 :)





 ;D ;D

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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2007, 08:41:49 AM »
I would guess most eastern europeans are distinguishable from Iranians, particularly wider facial features, and a rounder face.  I have not studied the Croats enough to make any definite conclusions about their ancestry and anthropology.

If you look at the Mediterranean people, which I would think includes many Iranians, they will be found mainly within Southern Europe and in Greece, if you are talking about Europe.

(In red: This is a mongolic-hungarian-bulgarian-turkish characteristic.)

"croat" "studiers" should NEVER forget
that WHAT is called "croat" today,
was SERBIAN yesterday ("Ancestry/Anthropology").

Here's an example of this "croat" COMPLEX
towards Serbs and Serbia, id est SERBDOM:

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7681/t_klovn.html
« Last Edit: November 25, 2007, 08:52:06 AM by Husar »
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2007, 09:00:58 AM »
"Are Croats related to Iranians?"

ONLY through the Serbian
scatholic converted part
of their unfamous population.

 8;)

Whatever word NAZICROATS use
to prove their "Iranian Ancestry",
this word is a Serbian-Slavic one.

 8;)

And NAZICROATS wanted also to prove,
by any means necessary,
they weren't Serbs/Slavs, at all...

"croat" Language is
ONLY SERBIAN One.

 8;)

"croats" should speak/write/read
"gothic", "iranian", "illyrian",
ACCORDINGLY to what they claim.....
....This is not the case:
they JUST, PURE and SIMPLE
speak/write/read SERBIAN.

 8;)

Have in mind we Serbs
UNDERSTAND what "croats" "say"/"write"...
...without any kind of translation whatsoever.

 8;)

It's not even arab/Jewish dualism...

It's "just" Serbs slaughtering Serbs...

 :-[
« Last Edit: November 25, 2007, 09:03:51 AM by Husar »
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2007, 09:07:30 AM »
From this great website:

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7681/t_klovn.html

"Bosnia, Hercegovina & Dalmatia & Serb Identity
The Lone Rabbit : half-Serb, Hercegovinian Catholic has trouble accepting his Serb ancestry


This correspondence is quite possibly the most interesting one because it spans a period of 3 1/2 years. In fact, this correspondence has been the single most significant factor in the evolution of my website from a content primarily composed of weblinks, to my original research featuring scanned pages from every text that I cite. The information below speaks volumes about the nature of our correspondence. There is no doubt in my mind that even he understands at this point (SUBCONSCIOUSLY) that Croatian identity in B&H and Dalmatia had been imposed after the Middle Ages on what is essentially an ancestral Serb population since the 7th century.

He is presently building a website he callls 'Crushing Serbian Myths' that is supposed to refute the Greater Serbian Idea as presented on this website, while simultaneously advancing a Greater Croatian perspective, instead. He will fail for 1 simple reason, no matter how he manages to manipulate the facts & completely ignore citations that contradict his interpretation:

The fact that the documents of the 14th & 15th century Bosnian Kotromanic kings and their predecessor Ban Matej Ninoslav refer to themselves and their population exclusively as Serbs, even when they controlled Dalmatia, Hercegovina & parts of Serbia. No mention of Croats or Bosniaks. To assert that the population of Bosnia, Hercegovina & Dalmatia had actually been Croat is to assert that these 'Croats' were actually ruled by Serb kings.

Of course, being a Catholic from Hercegovina, with a Serbian Orthodox mother & a killed Ustasa uncle - it becomes obvious that 'The Lone Rabbit' is troubled and biased in how he looks at the history of the region because it affects HIM personally. Accepting facts he cannot change means that he must change his ethnic identity, already weak because of his Serb mother and conflicted even more by his paternal uncle's participation in killing Serbs.

He will either change his identity to suit historical reality at some point in the future and when he does, I'll be there to to help him. Or he'll continue on this path of destroying himself by trying to preserve a fantasy identity. I'll be there to to help him with that, too. It's up to The Lone Rabbit to accept REALITY."

 8;)
« Last Edit: November 25, 2007, 09:09:45 AM by Husar »
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2007, 11:04:44 AM »
I actually feel sorry for him... So convinced hahaha lawl. I know a couple of Hardcore balijas that i've talked to over the years explaining the heritage, and I found out last year almost all of them converted to Orthodoxy, Changed names and are now HARDCORE Serbs:P Embracing every aspect of being Serb. quite beautiful.

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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2007, 12:56:20 PM »
I actually feel sorry for him... So convinced hahaha lawl. I know a couple of Hardcore balijas that i've talked to over the years explaining the heritage, and I found out last year almost all of them converted to Orthodoxy, Changed names and are now HARDCORE Serbs:P Embracing every aspect of being Serb. quite beautiful.

Yes, Serbian Cetnik...
...this is quite BEAUTIFUL.
They JUST came back Home,
from a centuries-long bad trip.

Long Live to them.

 O0 O0 O0
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2007, 03:38:22 PM »
I actually feel sorry for him... So convinced hahaha lawl. I know a couple of Hardcore balijas that i've talked to over the years explaining the heritage, and I found out last year almost all of them converted to Orthodoxy, Changed names and are now HARDCORE Serbs:P Embracing every aspect of being Serb. quite beautiful.

It's what all balijas should do ;)
Бог нам помого. Али богами Срби изгледа да нећемо нигде стићи ако се не зложимо. Не смемо заборавити да;

Само Слога Србина Спашава!!!

Али морамо да верујемо у Бога!!!

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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2007, 07:09:14 PM »
Simple question to Baljias - what were you before Turks came?
Same questions to Pakistanis - what were you before Arabs came?

Ironically Bosnians hate Serbs, even thought their ansestors were Serbs, just like Pakistanis hate Indians, whereas their ansestors were Indians.

One must laugh. Biggest curse is to hate what you are. Bosnians, Croatians and Pakistanis suffer from that. It must be lonely and sad being either of those. They were not even nationalities until 50 years ago.
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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2007, 07:39:16 AM »
Has ItalianZionist
read our answers
to his question ?

 ??? ??? ???
"HUSSARORUM ALIAS RACOW"
"Hussar alias Rac (Serb)"

http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_hussars.html
"Hussar or gussar originally meant "a robber" in Serbian. These horsemen served not only under the Polish and Lithuanian colors but also under those of the Holy Roman Emperor;"
http://www.husaria.jest.pl/rys.html
"Bardzo prawdopodobne, że początek swego istnienia husarze zawdzięczają Serbom. Po klęsce na Kosowym Polu w roku 1389 wszędzie szukali okazji do pomsty na Turkach.
Jan Długosz zapisał pod rokiem 1463, że w bitwie nad Sawą bił się Cohors Raczanorum (oddział Raców - Serbów). Po śmierci króla Macieja Korwina Serbowie udali się do Polski, aby kontynuować walkę z Turkami po usarsku."
http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/WingedHussar.html
"The hussar concept began in Serbia, near the end of the 14th century. In the 16th century, painted wings or winged claws began to appear on cavalry shields. Wings were originally attached to the saddle and later to the back. In 1645, Col. Szczodrowski was said to have used ostrich wings.
In 1500, the Polish Treasury books make reference to hussars. Early on, they were foreign mercenaries, and were called Racowie from "Rascia" a word meaning "of Serbia." They came from the Serbian state of Ras."
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armiesofthefanatici/DarrenBuxbaum/LaterSerbs/
"Serbian Gussars"
http://ac.bondurand.com/liste332.htm
"Les serbes avaient reconnu la nécessité d'une cavalerie légère, (...) ils développèrent leur propre cavalerie légère, les GUSARS ou USARS, d'où sont venus les hussards."
http://www.armae.com/contemporain/144epeesetdagues.htm
"Originaires de Serbie, les hussards furent des cavaliers d'élite, connus surtout en Hongrie puis en France, et imités par la suite partout en Europe."
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/1b772/a9330/
"The area around the present Zorinsk (Ukrainia) belonged to the Serb Hussar Major Vuyich at the end of the 18th century."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III
" Arsenije III (...) was inaugurating new Serb infantry and hussar regiments that were sent to the ongoing war."
http://www.gatago.com/pl/sci/historia/19850502.html
"Jan Długosz pod rokiem 1463 napisał, że w bitwie nad Sawą, biły się
"Cohors Raczanorum" / Początki husarii w bitwie na Kulikowym Polu
w 1389 r."
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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2012, 11:32:00 AM »
Croasts are false nation, they are over 80% Serbs but with catholic religion and mentality. The rest is mixture of Slovenians, Slovaks, Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Germans etc. If there some authentic croat nation or people their number is on the margin of error.

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Re: Are Croats related to Iranians?
« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2012, 12:56:22 AM »
Croats are one of Slavic tribes and they can't be fake nation. It is however truth that many of them share Serb ancestry.
Serbia will never surrender Kosovo to the breakaway province's ethnic Albanian majority or trade its territory for European Union or NATO membership,