I just saw "Shindler's List" tonight.....

[Cyberella]

I just watched Shindler's List tonight, and I have to say it is one of the best movies I have ever seen.  It made me cry  (and I don't cry that easily at movies) - especially toward the end where he broke down and started recounting to the Jews how he could have sold more of his things to buy another life from the Germans.
The horror...such rampant disregard for all that we hold sacred, for human life.
But this is, when all is said and done, one of the most important films ever made, because it tells us something we need  to remember- so that it never, never happens again. 

But I wonder...will it happen again?  Hitler wanted to conquer the world for his 'superior race'.  Untolds millions of innocent people died before the world woke up and somebody stopped him.
Again, we have an evil ideology- a 'religion' whose supporters want to conquer the world.         
                                                                                                  Left wing Liberals/media and the ACLU deny its clearly stated goals and defend it , and  America has gone back to sleep again since 9/11.

Katy
                                         

[Trumpeldor]

Chaim dislikes Schindler's List because he says it makes Jews look like wimps.

I am ok with it because it is a story that needed to be told. There can be other movies of Jews exhibiting heroism. We can't deny our history.

[Cyberella]

I don't think the Jews were protrayed as whimps.
What could they do? They were constantly surrounded by armed beasts who would shoot them in a heartbeat- just for fun.

[Trumpeldor]

I don't think the Jews were protrayed as whimps.
What could they do? They were constantly surrounded by armed beasts who would shoot them in a heartbeat- just for fun.

I agree. That's where the tragedy is.

If people had listened to Jabotinsky, who told European Jews in the 1930's that a Holocaust was coming very soon, the HOLOCAUST WOULD HAVE NEVER OCCURRED.

[New Yorker]

Won't happen again, not to us anyway (I can't talk for the left wing traitor "Jews", I imagine they'll happily cooperate with the Nazi's for an extra day of life), I will send a score of Nazi's (of all types, the Hitler type and the Muslim primitives) to their graves and hell, before they'd have a chance kill me.

[Cyberella]

I don't think the Jews were protrayed as whimps.
What could they do? They were constantly surrounded by armed beasts who would shoot them in a heartbeat- just for fun.

I agree. That's where the tragedy is.

If people had listened to Jabotinsky, who told European Jews in the 1930's that a Holocaust was coming very soon, the HOLOCAUST WOULD HAVE NEVER OCCURRED.

Who was Jabotinsky?
Tell me and I'll read about him tomorrorw. Sleepy. LOL

[Kiwi]

I liked the film, but really people need to research the subject, he was not the angel he was shown to be.

[Ehud]

I don't think the Jews were protrayed as whimps.
What could they do? They were constantly surrounded by armed beasts who would shoot them in a heartbeat- just for fun.

I agree. That's where the tragedy is.

If people had listened to Jabotinsky, who told European Jews in the 1930's that a Holocaust was coming very soon, the HOLOCAUST WOULD HAVE NEVER OCCURRED.

Who was Jabotinsky?
Tell me and I'll read about him tomorrorw. Sleepy. LOL

Excuse me?

Wikipedia him, please!

[Raulmarrio2000]

I have always thought it is good to remember the horror of the Shoah. I have also seen the film many years ago and even encouraged everyone here to see it. I motioned it should be seen at my school for adults when I was ending my secondary studies and had no success.
I also send a note to the local TV channel remembering Yom HaShoah every year.
But sometimes I wonder if it really helps the martyrs and the survivors to remember it. Some people who are antiZionist may consider their sin is light compared with the Shoah, and so remain in evil. Some anti-Semite may say in his heart "Well, I have some prejudices, but it's nothing compared with Nazism", and so he will make no effort to do Teshuvah.
It would be good to add a continuation to Schindler's List showing how many survivors of the Shoah and their descendants were massacred by Arabs bombs in buses and cafes. Especially for liberals and leftists!

[q_q_]

Jabotinsky was not so great..  I know that Kahane usually praised him, but he I did hear Kahane once saying even jabotinsky was quite anti religious.

The original secular zionists were the worst. Jabotinsky started the revionist secular zionists.




   

[Ehud]

Jabotinsky was not so great..  I know that Kahane usually praised him, but he I did hear Kahane once saying even jabotinsky was quite anti religious.

The original secular zionists were the worst. Jabotinsky started the revionist secular zionists.

Not so great?  Even if he wasn't the most religious man, his amazing contributions vastly overshadow that.  No one's perfect. 

[Trumpeldor]

Jabotinsky was not so great..  I know that Kahane usually praised him, but he I did hear Kahane once saying even jabotinsky was quite anti religious.

The original secular zionists were the worst. Jabotinsky started the revionist secular zionists.

Jabotinsky's revisionist secular Zionists were as right-wing as Rabbi Kahane's Kach party.

[Daniel]

I thought that Kahane developed his ideology largely based on Jabotinsky.

[Dr. Dan]

Let me tell you one thing.  In order for there to never be another Holocaust against the Jews, it's not for other nations to to remember...It's for us Jews to never forget!!!  And in order to prepare ourselves for what can take place again, Gd forbid, we have to be strong Jews.  JTF is the only movement that I know that will take a stand against another Holocaust no matter how subtle it maybe coming out.

[Ehud]

Let me tell you one thing.  In order for there to never be another Holocaust against the Jews, it's not for other nations to to remember...It's for us Jews to never forget!!!  And in order to prepare ourselves for what can take place again, Gd forbid, we have to be strong Jews.  JTF is the only movement that I know that will take a stand against another Holocaust no matter how subtle it maybe coming out.

Damn right.  The removal of Frank Weltner's YouTube account is just an example of that.  As Chaim said, Jewish organizations have tried to get Weltner removed but he wasn't actually taken off YouTube until JTF stepped in. 

[Cyberella]

Sorry didn't mean to step on any toes (asking who that man was). Just trying to learn about Jewish history.
You guys lost me with all the Jewish terms. lol
Anyway, I thought the movie was great. It should be shown regularly.
(I have never seen it on TV. I rented it) Today's generation seem to be forgetting about the holocaust- and some are denying it ever happened.

The liquidation of the ghetto was the most horrid thing I've ever seen.
Anyone here have any relatives who were involved in it?

Also, why would a Jew EVER become a left wing radical? I don't get it.

[genteelgentile]

  No toe stepping, but reading about Jabo involves a TON of information.

[Dominater96]

Jabotinsky was not so great..  I know that Kahane usually praised him, but he I did hear Kahane once saying even jabotinsky was quite anti religious.

The original secular zionists were the worst. Jabotinsky started the revionist secular zionists.




   

Read "Lone Wolf" by Shmuel Katz, then talk about Jabotinsky ZT"L. He wasnt Anti Religious, he just wasnt a religious man. He made sure to say Kaddish at his fathers yahrzeit, and also did some other Jewish customs.

[kahaneloyalist]

Jabotinsky for all his failings was righteous in that he revived concepts which even religous Jews had largely forgotten about Jewish pride and strength. Admittedly so far only religious Jews have been able to properly use the ideas he revived (Raziel, Stern and the Rav) but a 19th Century religious Jew would have had trouble fighting back in most cases because we'd been under the Goy's heel for so long.

[Ari]

My problem with Schindler's List was why tell a Holoucast story from the point of view from one of the few righteous Germans.  We can also debate how righteous Schindler was because his actions, at least initially, were driven by making money and not some sense of morality.  I would have been more proud to watch a film about the Jewish uprising in Warsaw.  You could have told the same horrors of the Holoucast and made a film Jews would be proud to see at the same time.

[VIVA KAHANE]

No, Chaim hates this movie because it presents the "Righteous Nazi" wich is an oxymoron, total inconsistency.  They should have done the movie about Raul Wallenberg or Jan Karski.

[Cyberella]

My problem with Schindler's List was why tell a Holoucast story from the point of view from one of the few righteous Germans.  We can also debate how righteous Schindler was because his actions, at least initially, were driven by making money and not some sense of morality.  I would have been more proud to watch a film about the Jewish uprising in Warsaw.  You could have told the same horrors of the Holoucast and made a film Jews would be proud to see at the same time.

Well, I still think it was a great movie.
I don't think the Jews were protrayed as weak, and I don't think Steven Spielberg was wrong in using Shindler as his main character.
This man initially went in to make a profit off the situtation, but when he saw the atrosities, he spent every penny he had to save their lives.
This man was- and still is- a hero.

I admire Spielberg for using his profits from this film to establish
The Shoah Foundation to videotape and preserve the testimonies of Holocaust survivors and witnesses to help prevent the holocaust from ever being forgotten.

General Dwight D. Eisenhower anticipated that future generations might find it hard to believe the horror that they found when Nazi Germany was liberated by the Allies. He ordered that both the Ohrdruf camp and the Buchenwald camp be preserved for several weeks in the state in which they were found and German civilians in nearby towns were forced to visit the camps to view the piles of rotting bodies. American soldiers, newspaper reporters and Congressmen were also called in as witnesses to the Nazi atrocities. But it was the British who had the biggest impact on the public conscience when they released their newsreel film of Bergen-Belsen to movie theaters around the world in the last days of the war.  And still, today, there are those who deny it ever happened. Sad.

[MasterWolf1]

Wasn't that traitor Steven Speilberg the director of Shindler's List?

[White Israelite]

Chaim dislikes Schindler's List because he says it makes Jews look like wimps.

I am ok with it because it is a story that needed to be told. There can be other movies of Jews exhibiting heroism. We can't deny our history.

I agree, it made me angry to see a movie about Jews just getting killed and not doing anything to fight back. Basically begging for their lives. If I was in a situation like that, i'd fight back because I know I would die anyways, I'd jump a soldier and gouge his eyes and bite a chunk of his neck out. If I knew I was going to die, i'd take out as many bastards as I could just to prolong another Jewish persons life even if by a few seconds.

However if another holocaust happens again, I won't be going down easily. I'm armed to the stupid teeth. I'll take many jack booted thugs down with me. Realistically, many of us wouldn't survive even if armed but if it prevents more deaths than necessary, then it is worth it. Start training with arms, start learning martial arts, start working out, and do what you can to resist. Never say a holocaust can't happen again, the words "NEVER AGAIN" are useless if you don't do anything to prevent it from happening again and just talking about it won't do anything. Never trust the government to protect you (yeah that worked well for Jews in Germany right?). I see people having way too much faith in politicians protecting Israel and Jews from anti-semitism, it's all a bunch of excrement.

Anyone needs help with gun selections or classes, PM me. Don't buy your guns from a gun store either, that excrement is tracked by the ATF, get through a private dealer and always check the bore (barrel) for pitting before buying it, make sure it clicks when you pull the trigger too so you know your not getting a lemon.

Argh all this filtering and replacing of cuss words makes my post look retarded.

[Cyberella]

Wasn't that traitor Steven Speilberg the director of Shindler's List?

Why do you consider Spielberg a 'traitor'