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Ultra Orthodox Jews Vs The Secular Israeli State
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on January 03, 2008, 07:22:50 PM ---No one can say that his pronounciation is the only legitamate one. Ashkenazi pronounciation and Sefaradi pronounciation are both based on legitamate Poskim. One should follow what his fathers followed.
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That is completely incorrect.
None of the pronounciations are based on the words of ANY posqim.
And one should NOT follow an incorrect custom or pronunciation simply because his father did so.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 04, 2008, 03:39:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta link=topic=12520.msg153817#msg153817 --- And Yes, Rav Bar Hayim can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that his is correct based on Rav Saadia Gaon, Rabbi Yaakov Emden and Rashi.
Yes, sir.
Rav Saadia Gaon should be trusted because he is one of the only poseqim who goes into it in depth. and the yemenite pronunciation is almost identical to it.
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for a start..
I heard that every letter is meant to be distinct.
According to Rabbi Bar Hayyim,
Regarding the BGDKFT letters (the 6 letters with hard and soft pronounciations. bet,gimel,daled,kaf,peh,taf)
What is the difference between Taf without a dot, and Daled without a dot. I heard that they are both meant to be "th" like "the" or "seth".
And if it is not Gimmel and Jimmel, then what is a gimmel without a dot pronounced like?
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The letter Taf that you refer to should actually be pronounced Taw and without a dot it should pronounced "TH" like BaTH.
The Letter Daled should be pronounced Daleth and without a dot, it should be pronounced "TH" as in weaTHer or GaTHer.
And a Gimmel without a dot is pronounced gh. There is no sound in english to use for comparison but the closest sound is a French "R". Or somewhere between a French "R" and a KH sound.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: ~*Mills*~ on January 04, 2008, 03:49:54 AM ---judeanoncapta, I am very interested in what you said about the proper pronunciation of Hebrew. Are there any books or tools that you suggest I use?
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Not that I have found.
I learned it from from my Rav, Rabbi Daweedh Bar Hayim.
He taught me.
But I can make a video for you teaching the right pronunciation if you like. I have been thinking about doing one for a long time.
Hail Columbia:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 04, 2008, 02:12:35 PM ---And a Gimmel without a dot is pronounced gh. There is no sound in english to use for comparison but the closest sound is a French "R". Or somewhere between a French "R" and a KH sound.
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As in the Greek letter gamma, and as in the Dutch letter G?
shimon:
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on January 03, 2008, 07:22:50 PM ---No one can say that his pronounciation is the only legitamate one. Ashkenazi pronounciation and Sefaradi pronounciation are both based on legitamate Poskim. One should follow what his fathers followed.
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is this a joke i am ashkenaz but i know there are many flaws in our hebrew. such as ashkenazim say o as oy as in gemarah some ashkenazim say gemoyrah. and there more and how come ashkenziam say gut shabbos that is not even close to hebrew its shabot shalom
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