The Dead Sea Scrolls

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

I have heard of them and know they were a great find, but what exactly was contained in them? does someone know?

[newman]

Do a google search.

They tell of a movement of pacifist Jewish heretics called the Essenes. They give a good clue as to the origins of the John the Baptist/ Yeshu cults.

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

Do a google search.

They tell of a movement of pacifist Jewish heretics called the Essenes. They give a good clue as to the origins of the John the Baptist/ Yeshu cults.

why do jews care about it so much? if it started christian stuff, of what difference is it to us?

[newman]

Do a google search.

They tell of a movement of pacifist Jewish heretics called the Essenes. They give a good clue as to the origins of the John the Baptist/ Yeshu cults.

why do jews care about it so much? if it started christian stuff, of what difference is it to us?

Because they back up Jewish history and Torah.

Parts were given to the Vatican for them to translate. The Israelis translated their parts in a couple of years. The Vatican STILL hasn't translated the parts they were given! (wonder why?  )

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

Do a google search.

They tell of a movement of pacifist Jewish heretics called the Essenes. They give a good clue as to the origins of the John the Baptist/ Yeshu cults.

why do jews care about it so much? if it started christian stuff, of what difference is it to us?

Because they back up Jewish history and Torah.

Parts were given to the Vatican for them to translate. The Israelis translated their parts in a couple of years. The Vatican STILL hasn't translated the parts they were given! (wonder why?  )

they gave it to the vatican? They should have made the vatican pay for it... 

[newman]

Do a google search.

They tell of a movement of pacifist Jewish heretics called the Essenes. They give a good clue as to the origins of the John the Baptist/ Yeshu cults.

why do jews care about it so much? if it started christian stuff, of what difference is it to us?

Because they back up Jewish history and Torah.

Parts were given to the Vatican for them to translate. The Israelis translated their parts in a couple of years. The Vatican STILL hasn't translated the parts they were given! (wonder why?  )

they gave it to the vatican? They should have made the vatican pay for it... 

If the Israelis had a brain, they'd make the Vatican pay repairations to the Jewish people with the threat of turning the Church of the 'Holy' Sepulchre into a Jewish bagel shop if they don't pay up.

[jdl4ever]

The Vatican has the golden Menorah from the second Temple that was pictured on the arc of Titus. 

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

The Vatican has the golden Menorah from the second Temple that was pictured on the arc of Titus. 

I actually heard that they wanted to sell it to someone and smuggle it into Monsey NY. Everything was planned out until the chief Rabbis in Israel heard of it and told the head priest to give it to Israel instead (to have it their), they (the priests) then refused and the whole deal was off. 
                              (Said over in Rav Mizrahis Shiur- "Pinhas, Baal Tishuva.."

[jdl4ever]

I don't believe the story, they wouldn't let go of such a relic so easily as they held on to it for 2,000 years.  The only way to get it out of there is to take it by force. 

[newman]

I don't believe the story, they wouldn't let go of such a relic so easily as they held on to it for 2,000 years.  The only way to get it out of their is to take it by force. 

That will be arranged in good time!

I'm hoping the whole college of cardinals gets impaled (in the style of Vlad Tepesh) in St Peter's Square!

[jdl4ever]

Well, it's not 100% there as some historian writes that after the fall of Rome someone brought many of the treasures from the second temple including other looted treasures from Rome on a few ships in the Mediteranian sea  and they all sank in a storm.  But definitely some second temple items are still in Rome. 

[Lubab]

The Lubavitcher Rebbe once said in a discourse that the Dead Sea Scrolls can't be trusted as a proper version of the Torah from those days, or something along those lines. They could've been bad ones that they threw out and buried, for instance.

[newman]

The Lubavitcher Rebbe once said in a discourse that the Dead Sea Scrolls can't be trusted as a proper version of the Torah from those days, or something along those lines. They could've been bad ones that they threw out and buried, for instance.

The Essenes were a heretical cult weren't they?

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

I don't believe the story, they wouldn't let go of such a relic so easily as they held on to it for 2,000 years.  The only way to get it out of there is to take it by force. 

Well  you can believe or what whatever you want, but I hear that from Rabbi Mizrahi, who for me is a very reliable source (I find him very truthful, never politically correct, and someone who isnt scared in telling people the truth, even if it might seem that he will be hated because of it.)

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

I don't believe the story, they wouldn't let go of such a relic so easily as they held on to it for 2,000 years.  The only way to get it out of there is to take it by force. 

Well  you can believe or what whatever you want, but I hear that from Rabbi Mizrahi, who for me is a very reliable source (I find him very truthful, never politically correct, and someone who isnt scared in telling people the truth, even if it might seem that he will be hated because of it.)

it's possible, but I doubt it..

[newman]

The Lubavitcher Rebbe once said in a discourse that the Dead Sea Scrolls can't be trusted as a proper version of the Torah from those days, or something along those lines. They could've been bad ones that they threw out and buried, for instance.

The Essenes were a heretical cult weren't they?

Yes.

Then scrolls in their posession cannot be taken as 100% authentic.

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

The Lubavitcher Rebbe once said in a discourse that the Dead Sea Scrolls can't be trusted as a proper version of the Torah from those days, or something along those lines. They could've been bad ones that they threw out and buried, for instance.

The Essenes were a heretical cult weren't they?

Yes.

beyond a heretical cult who are the essenes?

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

They ceased to exist since they were wiped out by The Romans.

No its mainly because like you said " they didn't have sexual relations". - well most of them.

[judeanoncapta]

The Vatican has the golden Menorah from the second Temple that was pictured on the arc of Titus. 

I actually heard that they wanted to sell it to someone and smuggle it into Monsey NY. Everything was planned out until the chief Rabbis in Israel heard of it and told the head priest to give it to Israel instead (to have it their), they (the priests) then refused and the whole deal was off. 
                              (Said over in Rav Mizrahis Shiur- "Pinhas, Baal Tishuva.."

Be realistic.

The Roman probably melted the menorah down and made gold coins with it within a couple of days after bringing it to Rome.

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

The Vatican has the golden Menorah from the second Temple that was pictured on the arc of Titus. 

I actually heard that they wanted to sell it to someone and smuggle it into Monsey NY. Everything was planned out until the chief Rabbis in Israel heard of it and told the head priest to give it to Israel instead (to have it their), they (the priests) then refused and the whole deal was off. 
                              (Said over in Rav Mizrahis Shiur- "Pinhas, Baal Tishuva.."

Be realistic.

The Roman probably melted the menorah down and made gold coins with it within a couple of days after bringing it to Rome.

they better not have, or they better have more divisions than they did during the cold war :-D

[Ambiorix]

The Vatican has the golden Menorah from the second Temple that was pictured on the arc of Titus. 

I actually heard that they wanted to sell it to someone and smuggle it into Monsey NY. Everything was planned out until the chief Rabbis in Israel heard of it and told the head priest to give it to Israel instead (to have it their), they (the priests) then refused and the whole deal was off. 
                              (Said over in Rav Mizrahis Shiur- "Pinhas, Baal Tishuva.."

Be realistic.

The Roman probably melted the menorah down and made gold coins with it within a couple of days after bringing it to Rome.

they better not have, or they better have more divisions than they did during the cold war :-D

Is the Catholic church keeping secret whether they have the Menorah?
Since when are Jews asking it back?

[judeanoncapta]

The Vatican has the golden Menorah from the second Temple that was pictured on the arc of Titus. 

I actually heard that they wanted to sell it to someone and smuggle it into Monsey NY. Everything was planned out until the chief Rabbis in Israel heard of it and told the head priest to give it to Israel instead (to have it their), they (the priests) then refused and the whole deal was off. 
                              (Said over in Rav Mizrahis Shiur- "Pinhas, Baal Tishuva.."

Be realistic.

The Roman probably melted the menorah down and made gold coins with it within a couple of days after bringing it to Rome.

they better not have, or they better have more divisions than they did during the cold war :-D

Is the Catholic church keeping secret whether they have the Menorah?
Since when are Jews asking it back?

The Catholic Church does not have the menorah.

The Romans melted it down.

Cmon, be realistic.

[JTFFan]

 

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

The Vatican has the golden Menorah from the second Temple that was pictured on the arc of Titus. 

I actually heard that they wanted to sell it to someone and smuggle it into Monsey NY. Everything was planned out until the chief Rabbis in Israel heard of it and told the head priest to give it to Israel instead (to have it their), they (the priests) then refused and the whole deal was off. 
                              (Said over in Rav Mizrahis Shiur- "Pinhas, Baal Tishuva.."

Be realistic.

The Roman probably melted the menorah down and made gold coins with it within a couple of days after bringing it to Rome.

they better not have, or they better have more divisions than they did during the cold war :-D

Is the Catholic church keeping secret whether they have the Menorah?
Since when are Jews asking it back?

The Catholic Church does not have the menorah.

The Romans melted it down.

Cmon, be realistic.

either way, its ok, we already have received a lot of gold an silver for temple objects, what we need is to get the temple mount