This is Global Warming?

[Sarah]

That is not a quick resolution, and with deforestation being so bad I don't think it is acheivable.

[newman]

CO2 from methane would be relesed anyway. CO2 from coal or oil would never be released unless burned. Methane is definitely better than fossil fuels in that reguard.

BTW,

Palm oil is the richest source of bio-diesel. It's by product is a plant pulp that lterally reeks of methane. Purfect opportunity to produce bio diesel for heavy equipment, methane for power stations and light vehicles with the Palm oil plants consuming the resultant CO2.

[ftf]

Methane doesn't release CO2 unless it is burned, the methane itself in it's natural state is however worse for the environment if it is released to float around than the CO2 it becomes when it is burned.

[newman]

Methane doesn't release CO2 unless it is burned, the methane itself in it's natural state is however worse for the environment if it is released to float around than the CO2 it becomes when it is burned.

They are both greenhouse gasses. The point is we have to avoid excesses of greenhouse gasses not eliminate them altogether. For that reason, animal and plant based CO2 or methane is 100 times better than fossil based CO2. Especially since the next plant crop will suck up the CO2 that the previous lot released when it's product was burned.

[ftf]

Methane doesn't release CO2 unless it is burned, the methane itself in it's natural state is however worse for the environment if it is released to float around than the CO2 it becomes when it is burned.

They are both greenhouse gasses. The point is we have to avoid excesses of greenhouse gasses not eliminate them altogether. For that reason, animal and plant based CO2 or methane is 100 times better than fossil based CO2. Especially since the next plant crop will suck up the CO2 that the previous lot released when it's product was burned.

True, I wasn't disagreeing with your idea, I was just saying that you'd got the wording wrong, you seemed to be saying that CH4 (methane) somehow is CO2... The idea is a good one, it's something I'd push for if I I were in government, unfortunately, I'm not.

[newman]

Methane doesn't release CO2 unless it is burned, the methane itself in it's natural state is however worse for the environment if it is released to float around than the CO2 it becomes when it is burned.

They are both greenhouse gasses. The point is we have to avoid excesses of greenhouse gasses not eliminate them altogether. For that reason, animal and plant based CO2 or methane is 100 times better than fossil based CO2. Especially since the next plant crop will suck up the CO2 that the previous lot released when it's product was burned.

True, I wasn't disagreeing with your idea, I was just saying that you'd got the wording wrong, you seemed to be saying that CH4 (methane) somehow is CO2... The idea is a good one, it's something I'd push for if I I were in government, unfortunately, I'm not.

I just love the idea of palm oil plantations sucking up CO2, being used to make both biodiesel AND methane(CH4) that release non-fossil CO2 that is then sucked up by next years crop. Plus the arabs going insane at the lost oil sales!

Here's another idea:

Piggeries producing pork, leather and pig poop (another rich source of methane) and other pig products to put in munitions and public transit systems to deter muSSlim terrorists. The pigs will also be fed on by-products like cotton trash as well as other grains that also suck up CO2 when grown.

Add wind power from our huge coastlines, Solar from our deserts, geo-thermal, bio-mass etc and from a technological POV we are definitely on the brink of energy independence AND cleaner energy. It just takes leadership.

[Sarah]

Methane doesn't release CO2 unless it is burned, the methane itself in it's natural state is however worse for the environment if it is released to float around than the CO2 it becomes when it is burned.

They are both greenhouse gasses. The point is we have to avoid excesses of greenhouse gasses not eliminate them altogether. For that reason, animal and plant based CO2 or methane is 100 times better than fossil based CO2. Especially since the next plant crop will suck up the CO2 that the previous lot released when it's product was burned.

True, I wasn't disagreeing with your idea, I was just saying that you'd got the wording wrong, you seemed to be saying that CH4 (methane) somehow is CO2... The idea is a good one, it's something I'd push for if I I were in government, unfortunately, I'm not.

I just love the idea of palm oil plantations sucking up CO2, being used to make both biodiesel AND methane(CH4) that release non-fossil CO2 that is then sucked up by next years crop. Plus the arabs going insane at the lost oil sales!

Here's another idea:

Piggeries producing pork, leather and pig poop (another rich source of methane) and other pig products to put in munitions and public transit systems to deter muSSlim terrorists. The pigs will also be fed on by-products like cotton trash as well as other grains that also suck up CO2 when grown.

Add wind power from our huge coastlines, Solar from our deserts, geo-thermal, bio-mass etc and from a technological POV we are definitely on the brink of energy independence AND cleaner energy. It just takes leadership.

Great Ideas.

[ftf]

Brilliant ideas Newman, I can safely say that if I were the head of a government, of any country, I'd be very happy to put you in charge of all energy issues.

[newman]

Brilliant ideas Newman, I can safely say that if I were the head of a government, of any country, I'd be very happy to put you in charge of all energy issues.

Thankyou.

But it begs the question: If a guy like me with a 10th grade education can discern this from news and documentaries why are our countries' university educated leaders (with access to the finest minds and learning centres in their lands) dragging the chain?

[Sarah]

Brilliant ideas Newman, I can safely say that if I were the head of a government, of any country, I'd be very happy to put you in charge of all energy issues.

Thankyou.

But it begs the question: If a guy like me with a 10th grade education can discern this from news and documentaries why are our countries' university educated leaders (with access to the finest minds and learning centres in their lands) dragging the chain?

They want to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

[ftf]

Brilliant ideas Newman, I can safely say that if I were the head of a government, of any country, I'd be very happy to put you in charge of all energy issues.

Thankyou.

But it begs the question: If a guy like me with a 10th grade education can discern this from news and documentaries why are our countries' university educated leaders (with access to the finest minds and learning centres in their lands) dragging the chain?

Cost, and a fear of changing a system that's run for 50 years.

There are also a few worries about how mush space such facilities would take up.

[newman]

Brilliant ideas Newman, I can safely say that if I were the head of a government, of any country, I'd be very happy to put you in charge of all energy issues.

Thankyou.

But it begs the question: If a guy like me with a 10th grade education can discern this from news and documentaries why are our countries' university educated leaders (with access to the finest minds and learning centres in their lands) dragging the chain?

Cost, and a fear of changing a system that's run for 50 years.

There are also a few worries about how mush space such facilities would take up.

Obviously there are places for certain things. The Americas, Australia and africa can grow HUGE amounts of oilseed and palm oil, export it to europe as europe exports technology. This is a good cure for the trade/ wealth imballance Bob Geldorf & Co are always crying about. Europe is not suitable for vast plantations but piggeries take up little room. They can even be multi-story! As for the smell..............put them in muSSlim neighbourhoods and NOBODY will notice.

[MasterWolf1]

Global whinning

[JTFFan]

Global whinning

lol, I like that word. 

[MasterWolf1]

The sky is falling!

[Boeregeneraal]

Yes, there is such a thing as global warming. HOWEVER, it's not so much a result of human activity:

Scientists have found that Mars' temperatures have risen. And just like Mars, Earth's temp has also, so it's a milky way thing...unless ofcourse there are aliens on mars polluting it 

[Ambiorix]

Brilliant ideas Newman, I can safely say that if I were the head of a government, of any country, I'd be very happy to put you in charge of all energy issues.

Thankyou.

But it begs the question: If a guy like me with a 10th grade education can discern this from news and documentaries why are our countries' university educated leaders (with access to the finest minds and learning centres in their lands) dragging the chain?

Cost, and a fear of changing a system that's run for 50 years.

There are also a few worries about how mush space such facilities would take up.

Obviously there are places for certain things. The Americas, Australia and africa can grow HUGE amounts of oilseed and palm oil, export it to europe as europe exports technology. This is a good cure for the trade/ wealth imballance Bob Geldorf & Co are always crying about. Europe is not suitable for vast plantations but piggeries take up little room. They can even be multi-story! As for the smell..............put them in muSSlim neighbourhoods and NOBODY will notice.

We have a deal Newman.
 

[yeshuadisciple]

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/midwest-braces-for-more-icy-weather/20071209211009990001

well the fanatic one-worldists claim that global warming is also a climate with more ups and downs, a less
gradually , smooth evolving weather pattern.

I honestly believe that Global warming is an ideology to scare the people, in order to easier rule over them,
a tactic to make oil more expensive, in order to make more profits.

I agree with that.  In the 70s they were warning about a new ice due to human activity, it's scaremongering to get people to agree to more government controls. 

[Boeregeneraal]

An interesting trend is that Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not a very strong greenhouse gas. Methane (CH4) is around 15-20 times stronged than CO2. So we can say that all this rubbish from politicians about greenhouse gases should be ignored.

Yeah and cows produce several tonnes of methane in a couple of days or something, from burping and you know.

The cows are making the situation worse not us.

Methane is a proven, viable fuel but our governments' corporate and OPEC masters will not allow it's advancement.

Burning methane would do GOOD for the environment, making it 1/15th the strength of what it was originally.

Cows, pigs and humans poop just as plant life decomposes and release methane. Burning that methane is DEFINITELY CO2 neutral.

yes, and the solution:
Cleanse all of central africa's population, as well as a big part of china and all ofthe middle east

[JTFFan]

An interesting trend is that Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not a very strong greenhouse gas. Methane (CH4) is around 15-20 times stronged than CO2. So we can say that all this rubbish from politicians about greenhouse gases should be ignored.

Yeah and cows produce several tonnes of methane in a couple of days or something, from burping and you know.

The cows are making the situation worse not us.

Methane is a proven, viable fuel but our governments' corporate and OPEC masters will not allow it's advancement.

Burning methane would do GOOD for the environment, making it 1/15th the strength of what it was originally.

Cows, pigs and humans poop just as plant life decomposes and release methane. Burning that methane is DEFINITELY CO2 neutral.

yes, and the solution:
Cleanse all of central africa's population, as well as a big part of china and all ofthe middle east

Yes, Boer good idea