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Muslim Holidays in NYC Public Schools - I kid you not!

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MarZutra:

--- Quote from: Sarah on November 25, 2006, 06:17:03 PM ---I can see the hypocracy in not being able to live in arab countries... i would like to do something about that but as you said i am a young muslim female, no one wants to listen to me. I will speak out for you one day- i promise. I will learn and read......

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Sorry that is not Arab but MOST Islamic countries for one will not let Jews live, visit nor own property.  That should be a real kick in the pants to awake ones reasoning no?  The Mosque has to be higher than a Church or Synagogue with other bigotted reasoning further in Isalmic culture/teachings..  That my little Muslim friend is Islam and a consequence belonging to the faith and histories/perceptions of the "dhimmi" and Kufar.  "The Dhimmi"- Bat Ye'or, "The Jews of Islam"- Bernard Lewis or "From Time Imemorial"- Joan Peters. 

Believe me when I say you are doing a righteous thing to read and learn.  As I said knowledge is a blessing while wilfull ignorance is a sin or a shame.  Do not be surprized that your brethren ridicule you for learning and acquiring knowledge.  You will too find that education and the quest for knowlege is also frowned upon by most Muslim men.  This you will find too in your research.  As you do you will see for yourself the immense ignorance and wilful benightedness of many of the "leaders".  This goes for ALL faiths.  The Jewish Satmer would be one extreme and the "Reform" or Liberal Jews who are as ignorant as old shITE on the other extreme.  Both do a great disservice to Judaism and Jewry.  Might I suggest that after you finnish reading the Quraan/Hadith to read at least 3 books on the History of Islam and Mohammed.  I too suggest you do the same in reading the Tanach and History of the Jews, The New Testament and then a book or books on the History of Christianity and Jesus.  One must knowledged themselves to both their "religions" and too their perspective "Histories".  This goes for Communism, Buddhism, AntiSemitism, Nazism etc. etc.   

You will find that the vast majority of knowledged Jews are very aware of Islam and to a lesser extent Christians unless, like Brigitte Gabriel were "dhimmi" under Islam while the vast majority of Muslims are very benighted to what Judaism, Christianity and even Islam actually are.  I am NOT trying to convert only to educate on the molestations and murderous ideologies professed and practiced by the "Religion of Peace".  This is actually seen that for each book published in the Islamic World there are about 1200 published in the Christian West which dictates the majority of Muslims to be illiterate and ignorant.  Not an insult but a fact.  This will give you an indepth knowledge for both your personal awareness and also to educate others in open debate and or idle conversations... 

Good luck on your quest.... 

cjd:
I must say I have found reading this thread quite interesting and have to say sarah has held up he end of the debate under some tough postings. It seems she really hear to look around and learn most agitators would have shown their hand by now. All I am going to say to sarah is each night when I turn on the news their is almost without fail some news story of sueside bombers or some other form of murder against innocent people. This on top of major incidents such as trade center bombing one, 911, the Kohl and countless other major attacks where little or no condemnation came from the Muslim religious leaders. This tells all to well where sympathies fall with Muslim people as a group. Here in the US Muslims were dancing in the streets when 911 had taken place. Something is really wrong in the Muslim world and from what I can tell it has roots in the Muslim religion itself.

fjack:
Let us all agree on this fact. Islam is not a religion, it is a cult. It is a cult that has a lot in common with the Charles Mansion family. Charlie, like the prophet, had total contol of the group such as an iman, he had sexual relations with any thing that he fancied, just like the prophet, Charlie directed his followers to kill, just like the imans, Charlie's followers were such low IQ beasts that they went out and killed, just like the iman tells his filthy animal followers to do, and all of Charlie's 'children' that are in the slammer worship him, just like the followers of the prevert prophet's folloers do. Dear sarah, you could do the civilized world a favor and return to the camel dung heap you were spawned from and try and not use your infantile spellings on us. I would expect that from a three year old white child, not a 45 year old washed up hag like yourself.

stevefromqueens:

--- Quote from: sarah on November 25, 2006, 06:17:03 PM ---I can see the hypocrisy in not being able to live in Arab countries... i would like to do something about that but as you said i am a young Muslim female, no one wants to listen to me. I will speak out for you one day- i promise. I will learn and read......

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To Sarah - I am the person who started this post - I don't know how old you are - but I suspect that you are very young. I have a real problem with the demands that Muslims make in this country, especially when they are incapable of seeing any other point of view in their native lands. As for the holidays in public school - get my point - there are NO MORE RELIGIOUS HOLIDAYS AT ALL IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS! Christmas is now the WINTER HOLIDAY, you can not say MERRY CHRISTMAS, you can not say HAPPY HANUKKAH - you can not sing Christmas or Hanukkah songs in school or have holiday pageants that feature anything more than snowmen. That's the point I am making. Therefore, the addition of RELIGIOUS MUSLIM HOLIDAYS to the school calendar can not happen and should not happen if no other faith is accommodated.  As for your defense of the Muslim faith - I really don't expect anyting different from any practitioner of Islam. However, the hostility that you see from those outside the Islamic world is spearheaded by the insanity that pervades the majority of Islam today. A fact that so many Muslims refuse to acknowledge. Just the other day the Muslim world was reveling in the suicide of Fatma Omar An-Najar. What kind of insane "faith" see this kind of behavior as glorious? We hear the Mullah say to Americans, "we love death the way you love coca-cola." - do you honestly believe that this is a healthy faith? And I use the term "faith" loosely. No religion is without it's imperfections, simply because religions are administered by human beings and human beings are imperfect. But Muslims will not admit this - Islam is perfect - RIGHT! That's why women are treated like second class citizens throughout the Islamic world. There are no decent universities or intelligent debate, because the mullahs and imams will not allow any disagreement with their view of the world. As for the veil - I refer you to a wonderful author by the name of Irshad Manji. She is a practicing Muslim who realizes that her faith is highly imperfect and needs reformation, not excuses or the embrace of lunacy. She specifically mentions the veiling of women as having nothing to do with Islam but as an Arabian custom. Take a look at the chador, the veil, the hijab - these are garments made for desert wear -they are clearly ethnic in origin and predate the Koran. As for the veil being voluntary - one can hardly call it voluntary when the "hair police" of Islamic theocracies come out with sticks to beat any women who dares show her hairline. Give me a break. And in all honesty - do you really think that God cares about what we wear on our heads? Or what we eat? Or that we must pray a proscribed amount of time per day, facing a particular direction? Or that women and men must be separate  in prayer, when all should be united when praying to the Almighty? Silly nonsense like that will get you into heaven? What a small God you worship. A God that can only be conceived in the mind of an imperfect man, who decided the entire world needs to harken to his view of no more than Arabian cultural rule. You can not deny that in recent centuries the Islamic world has contributed little to world culture or science, and has managed to isolate and impoverish its own populations. Now it seeks to impose its dark ages upon the rest of the world - you say you will speak up - I hope so - as a woman you have much to lose, at least what has been left you  so far. If there are indeed any "moderate" Muslims out there, who do not believe in the madness that is spreading an Islamo-virus of hate and insanity, it is your time to stand up and take your religion back. If you fail, it is because you are cowardly or because on some level you agree with the madmen. Attached are some photos from Arabic sources - so you can't blame the "twisted" western media - here is what Islam glorifies - from it's own mouth - through it's own lens.

stevefromqueens:
Sarah - regarding the proscription about dressing modestly - it is my understanding that the Koran commands ALL to dress modestly, and that this is often interpreted as meaning that no one should show off or be ostentatious in their dress. I agree that modesty is important, and that in the west the lack of modesty, especially where women are concerned, has become a problem. However, the total lack of equality in Islam regarding this issue is blindingly clear. Women must cover, men can do whatever they want. You completely omitted any remarks regarding the religious police under Sharia law. Women are singled out for punishment/ Why? The Koran also states that hell is filled with women. Why this unreasoning hatred for the female sex? Under Sharia, a woman can not prove rape unless she has four MALE Muslim witnesses. The victim is put on trial and it is not unusual for the victim to be killed to avenge the "dishoner" she has brought to her family by being forcibly raped. I am amazed how all of this is glossed over by Muslims world wide. I live in Queens, and see Muslim women and men in my travels back and forth to work. During the hottest summer days, I see Muslim women in full chador or hijab, covered from head to toe, being accompanied by men in shorts, sandals and tank tops. So, are the men immune from the modesty command of the Koran/ Looks like plain, old Arabian chauvinism to me! Also, with regard to the school holiday issue and this being a judeo-christian country. Why does separation of church and state only pertain to those two faiths? Why can Muslims take advantage of all the freedoms the US offers, yet insist on foisting their own religious customs and views upon the majority? This is not how it works. If I willingly migrate to an Islamic country, I know that I must abide by the customs there - no matter how repugnant I may find them. I can not expect accommodation, since I am the stranger in the land. In addition, it is in the poorest of manners to make demands of a country to which you have just come. The Arabic world seems to like democracy only when it offers them one more tool to spread jihad and Islam, otherwise it is infidel!

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