Do you consider what Chaim did to be a terrorist act?

[Frank Cohen]

Apparantely leftwing New York Times does.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE4DF1039F934A15753C1A961948260

A former head of the Jewish Defense League was sentenced yesterday to 10 years in Federal prison for taking part in a series of ''terrorist bombings'' in the New York area since 1984 to protest Soviet treatment of Jews.

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In sentencing the defendant, Victor Vancier, 30 years old, of Whitestone, Queens, Judge I. Leo Glasser of Federal District Court in Brooklyn sternly told him, ''You don't go bombing innocent people to make a point.''

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He said he regarded Mr. Vancier as ''a danger to this community'' and, at the request of the Federal prosecutor, Charles E. Rose, he revoked Mr. Vancier's $1 million bail. According to the authorities, Mr. Vancier served as national chairman of the J.D.L. from April 1985 until November 1986. Two Others Sentenced

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''It's fair to say he's a little bit nuts,'' the lawyer said. But he asked that Mr. Vancier be spared a term in prison, where he ''would be subjected to attacks and animosity.'' 'Utterly Lawless'

[mord]

1987 a little behind the times are we,you must of went out of your wy to find it.Does'nt bother me who died?

[Kiwi]

Chaim served his time, and paid for his crime. The law was correct and all sentences filled.

End of story.

[Frank Cohen]

I just did a little research on him cause I didnt know the full story.

[Kiwi]

Are you happy now you know? does it make a difference?

[Merkava]

Given the circumstances I think it was not a terrorist act. His bombings didn't kill or hurt anyone. I totally admire Chaim for what he did. He gave up his own freedom to help his fellow people. If anything he is a hero.

In my eyes he was demonstrating just it was in a destructive way. He didn't cause any permanent damage. By no means is this a Terrorist act.

Had I been PM of Israel I would have:

1) Tried extradicting him to Israel and grant him immunity from any authorities. 
2) Give him a hero's welcome in Israel upon arrival.


 

[Kiwi]

Given the circumstances I think it was not a terrorist act. His bombings didn't kill or hurt anyone. I totally admire Chaim for what he did. He gave up his own freedom to help his fellow people. If anything he is a hero.

In truth its a fine line, under many anti terrorism laws Chaim would not of come out the way he did. Due to the fact it was pre 9/11 it works in his favour.

Say the same act commited now, then the ICC would be involved.

[DownwithIslam]

The fact that Chaim spent a day in jail is a crime against humanity. You have whole neighborhoods in brooklyn where literally every single "person" is a member of Hamas or Al Qaeda and they are free to walk the streets.

[Kiwi]

The law is the law fair or not is what allows us to remain civilized.

[Sarah]

Chaim never hurt anybody, and didn't do what he did, to entirely innocent people either.

It was an act of demonstration, was it not?! He was making his point and it certainly got him listened to.

[Dan]

NO WAY!
 However under the Bolshevik establishment today, Chaim would be considered just as bad or even worse just to show the Musslim Nazis that they don't hold a grudge against them... because after all 'Islam is a Beautiful religion' and only a few are responsible for terrorism, most Musslims are peaceful and wonderful people. The Media would jump all over this story today and literally crucify Chaim just to build bridges with Musslims. 

[judeanoncapta]

Chaim never hurt anybody, and didn't do what he did, to entirely innocent people either.

It was an act of demonstration, was it not?! He was making his point and it certainly got him listened to.

Very true.

Chaim destroyed property. He never killed a single person.

I think you have to kill atleast one person before you can be considered a terrorist.

[Sarah]

Chaim never hurt anybody, and didn't do what he did, to entirely innocent people either.

It was an act of demonstration, was it not?! He was making his point and it certainly got him listened to.

Very true.

Chaim destroyed property. He never killed a single person.

I think you have to kill atleast one person before you can be considered a terrorist.

He shouldn't be called or even considered a terrorist, when the term is used to describe the actions of people who have killed thousands of innocent civilians. A terrorist a couple of decades ago, aren't the same terrorists that blew up the twin towers. The word itself is too leniant for the people who committed these crimes, but now that it is used it is completely unfair and invalid to call what Chaim did an act of terrorism.

[Ambiorix]

I think you're asking the wrong question.
What would Chaim be if he didn't take action to defend Jews?

[Dr. Dan]

no and he didn't kill anyone either...


The problem is that the Pals are more legitimate to these fools than Chaim.

[MassuhDGoodName]

President Ronald Reagan correctly branded the Soviet Union as "The Evil Empire".

Chaim's actions against the oppression of his people were not "terrorism".

Maybe a misdemeanor charge of "malicious mischief" or "disturbing the peace" might apply, but if I was a judge I would have dismissed even these charges.

What kind of American government is it that kowtows to evil Communist regimes while prosecuting its own citizens for resisting brutal dictators?

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "...The law is the law fair or not..."

True enough.

But Justice must be tempered with Mercy when appropriate.

[MarZutra]

I feel there is a big difference between terrorism and making a statement via a violent action.  Chaim, like most of what I've read about the Irgun and Lahey, tried not to hurt any civilians on purpose, while the terrorists of our day focus on both civilians and military targets.  

The fact that Chaim, and his group, tried to draw attention to the mass immoral agenda at work during his day, and currently happening today via the Arabs, NAU, NWO etc. what he did was for pure shock value and to bring attention to an issue.

Perhaps if there were more Jews of similar integrity today, Israel would be catering to murderers and awarding our land to the Nazi Muslims for an internationally recognized but not honored piece of toilet paper...

[Muck DeFuslims]

I prefer to think of Chaim as a freedom fighter, definitely not a terrorist.

Yes, he used non-lethal terror to help free oppressed Jews being held captive, tortured and murdered by an evil regime.

This is definitely a case where the ends justified the means.

I'm not against terrorizing terrorists. And the real terrorists in this case were the Soviet pigs holding my Jewish brothers and sisters captive, unjustifiably imprisoning them under the harshest conditions imaginable, and murdering them whenever they felt like it.

Thank G-d Rav Kahane, Chaim, and other Jewish heros refused to allow this travesty to continue and acted to finally stop it.

If the legal establishment wants to think of Chaim as an ex-terrorist, fine.

As far as I'm concerned, the world can use more 'terrorists' like Chaim.

[Kiwi]

Re:  "...The law is the law fair or not..."

True enough.

But Justice must be tempered with Mercy when appropriate.

Which was Mercy that Chaim was handed by the Judge.

Property in many major legal systems are worth more than human life.

Example steal say $100,000 you will face 3-6years, kill a person in a car you can face 6 months -1 year if that. Thats here in Australia.

Property crime you can do 2 years up.

What will never sit well with me is the method Chaim used.

Reason behind what he did I support. But I don't support the use of bombs in any form, useless controlled by the military.

There is a fine line and by no fault of oneself, can be easily crossed.

[Dr. Dan]

No.

[CorrieDeservedIt]

at most it should be consired vandalisim.

[New Yorker]

at most it should be consired vandalisim.

It's all about the method used huh. Blow it up, terrorism. Light it on fire, arson. Destroy it with a sledge hammer, vandalism. The end result is all the same, the car is totaled.

So beating it into a pile of mangled metal and broken glass with a sledge hammer is the way to go to minimize legal consiquences, probably a hell of a lot of fun too. 

[whywhywhy]

No No and No

[JTFFan]

No!