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ultra-Orthodox Jews against Isarel. What does Chaim say?
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
Actually, when Hannukah happened, the kingdom was rightious, but later it became corrupt and did bad things.
And about Rambam- you are acting like a christian missionary, who first makes an opinion and then brings some text and formulates that thinks of that texts from the first opinion. Rambam does not, I repeat does not say that having a wicked kingdom is a good thing, nor does he praise the wicked (which would be a Torah violation).
jdl4ever:
Then he would have said "and they brought 50 years of righteous leadership of Israel" or something like that, not 200 years since that includes the wicked kingdoms.
Dr. Dan:
great conversation!! i'M enjoying this!
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 09, 2008, 10:52:16 PM ---Actually, when Hannukah happened, the kingdom was rightious, but later it became corrupt and did bad things.
And about Rambam- you are acting like a christian missionary, who first makes an opinion and then brings some text and formulates that thinks of that texts from the first opinion. Rambam does not, I repeat does not say that having a wicked kingdom is a good thing, nor does he praise the wicked (which would be a Torah violation).
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I didn't want to say this because I don't want to hurt your feelings but, tzvi, if you knew the hebrew you would see the context and see that the Rambam was saying precisely what jdl4ever and I are saying.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: There Are No 'Israeli' Arabs on January 09, 2008, 10:54:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on January 09, 2008, 10:52:16 PM ---Actually, when Hannukah happened, the kingdom was rightious, but later it became corrupt and did bad things.
And about Rambam- you are acting like a christian missionary, who first makes an opinion and then brings some text and formulates that thinks of that texts from the first opinion. Rambam does not, I repeat does not say that having a wicked kingdom is a good thing, nor does he praise the wicked (which would be a Torah violation).
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The kings may have been righteous, however a kingdom made up of Cohanim cannot stand forever; it is forbidden.
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That's the irony, a forbidden halakically untenable kingdom and yet the Rambam clearly praises it.
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