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ultra-Orthodox Jews against Isarel. What does Chaim say?
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on January 10, 2008, 04:20:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 09, 2008, 08:54:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 08:46:54 PM ---He mans that soon you'll join the rest of us and not consider yourself Charedi any more :D. I used to think I was Charedi when I was a little kid in Yeshiva but shortly realized that they were wrong on almost everything and tried to uproot my traditions and brainwash me into a blind mindless follower.
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I used to think of myself as Chareidi, after all, I live in Boro Park.
But after learning the Satmar Rebbe's seforim in depth(more than any Satmar Chassid has anyway) and comparing it to the teachings of Rabbi Daweedh Bar Hayim, I don't consider myself a Hareidi at all.
There is no question that Hareidi Rabbis have no idea what G-d wants to see occur in this world.
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Wow, thank you for that completely fallacious generalization.
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You obviously have never learned a single word of the Satmar Rebbe's. Otherwise you would understand why Haredim relate to the state the way they do.
OdKahaneChai:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 11, 2008, 12:06:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on January 10, 2008, 04:20:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 09, 2008, 08:54:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 08:46:54 PM ---He mans that soon you'll join the rest of us and not consider yourself Charedi any more :D. I used to think I was Charedi when I was a little kid in Yeshiva but shortly realized that they were wrong on almost everything and tried to uproot my traditions and brainwash me into a blind mindless follower.
--- End quote ---
I used to think of myself as Chareidi, after all, I live in Boro Park.
But after learning the Satmar Rebbe's seforim in depth(more than any Satmar Chassid has anyway) and comparing it to the teachings of Rabbi Daweedh Bar Hayim, I don't consider myself a Hareidi at all.
There is no question that Hareidi Rabbis have no idea what G-d wants to see occur in this world.
--- End quote ---
Wow, thank you for that completely fallacious generalization.
--- End quote ---
You obviously have never learned a single word of the Satmar Rebbe's. Otherwise you would understand why Haredim relate to the state the way they do.
--- End quote ---
First of all, who says the Satmar Rebbe ZT"L spoke for all Charedim? Second of all, while I don't agree with it, it is a completely valid opinion that he held.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on January 12, 2008, 08:42:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 11, 2008, 12:06:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on January 10, 2008, 04:20:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 09, 2008, 08:54:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 08:46:54 PM ---He mans that soon you'll join the rest of us and not consider yourself Charedi any more :D. I used to think I was Charedi when I was a little kid in Yeshiva but shortly realized that they were wrong on almost everything and tried to uproot my traditions and brainwash me into a blind mindless follower.
--- End quote ---
I used to think of myself as Chareidi, after all, I live in Boro Park.
But after learning the Satmar Rebbe's seforim in depth(more than any Satmar Chassid has anyway) and comparing it to the teachings of Rabbi Daweedh Bar Hayim, I don't consider myself a Hareidi at all.
There is no question that Hareidi Rabbis have no idea what G-d wants to see occur in this world.
--- End quote ---
Wow, thank you for that completely fallacious generalization.
--- End quote ---
You obviously have never learned a single word of the Satmar Rebbe's. Otherwise you would understand why Haredim relate to the state the way they do.
--- End quote ---
First of all, who says the Satmar Rebbe ZT"L spoke for all Charedim? Second of all, while I don't agree with it, it is a completely valid opinion that he held.
--- End quote ---
How do you know it was valid?
What proof do you have?
OdKahaneChai:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 13, 2008, 05:32:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on January 12, 2008, 08:42:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 11, 2008, 12:06:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on January 10, 2008, 04:20:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 09, 2008, 08:54:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 08:46:54 PM ---He mans that soon you'll join the rest of us and not consider yourself Charedi any more :D. I used to think I was Charedi when I was a little kid in Yeshiva but shortly realized that they were wrong on almost everything and tried to uproot my traditions and brainwash me into a blind mindless follower.
--- End quote ---
I used to think of myself as Chareidi, after all, I live in Boro Park.
But after learning the Satmar Rebbe's seforim in depth(more than any Satmar Chassid has anyway) and comparing it to the teachings of Rabbi Daweedh Bar Hayim, I don't consider myself a Hareidi at all.
There is no question that Hareidi Rabbis have no idea what G-d wants to see occur in this world.
--- End quote ---
Wow, thank you for that completely fallacious generalization.
--- End quote ---
You obviously have never learned a single word of the Satmar Rebbe's. Otherwise you would understand why Haredim relate to the state the way they do.
--- End quote ---
First of all, who says the Satmar Rebbe ZT"L spoke for all Charedim? Second of all, while I don't agree with it, it is a completely valid opinion that he held.
--- End quote ---
How do you know it was valid?
What proof do you have?
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No, the question is what proof do you have? You're the one making the accusation. The Satmar Rebbe, ZT"L, was a Posek, and he was in the minority and interpreted the "Three Oaths" as Halacha. That's a perfectly valid opinion.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on January 13, 2008, 09:31:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 13, 2008, 05:32:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on January 12, 2008, 08:42:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 11, 2008, 12:06:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: OdKahaneChai on January 10, 2008, 04:20:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on January 09, 2008, 08:54:24 PM ---
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 09, 2008, 08:46:54 PM ---He mans that soon you'll join the rest of us and not consider yourself Charedi any more :D. I used to think I was Charedi when I was a little kid in Yeshiva but shortly realized that they were wrong on almost everything and tried to uproot my traditions and brainwash me into a blind mindless follower.
--- End quote ---
I used to think of myself as Chareidi, after all, I live in Boro Park.
But after learning the Satmar Rebbe's seforim in depth(more than any Satmar Chassid has anyway) and comparing it to the teachings of Rabbi Daweedh Bar Hayim, I don't consider myself a Hareidi at all.
There is no question that Hareidi Rabbis have no idea what G-d wants to see occur in this world.
--- End quote ---
Wow, thank you for that completely fallacious generalization.
--- End quote ---
You obviously have never learned a single word of the Satmar Rebbe's. Otherwise you would understand why Haredim relate to the state the way they do.
--- End quote ---
First of all, who says the Satmar Rebbe ZT"L spoke for all Charedim? Second of all, while I don't agree with it, it is a completely valid opinion that he held.
--- End quote ---
How do you know it was valid?
What proof do you have?
--- End quote ---
No, the question is what proof do you have? You're the one making the accusation. The Satmar Rebbe, ZT"L, was a Posek, and he was in the minority and interpreted the "Three Oaths" as Halacha. That's a perfectly valid opinion.
--- End quote ---
Nothing valid about it.
There is Misswath Aseh d'oraitha to live and settle in Eretz Yisrael.
No Midrash can erase a Misswath Aseh.
So, NO, HIS OPINION IS NOT VALID.
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