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Warm greetings to the JTF from a UK supporter
dibblah:
Hi Masha,
-I would like to thank you for what has been the most objective and reasonable view of any participant so far in this BNP/Pro Israeli debate.
Whereas I have entered this discussion with my own personal opinions and statements of fact, these have (perhaps understandably) been countered at every turn. This has been done by those who have been exposed to a more ignorant, historical perspective of the British nation. If you measured many "mainstream" parties and causes of whatever stripe throughout history they would without exception be anti-Semitic, anti-catholic, anti democratic et. al.
You are right to state the very important and objective points you make and most importantly to judge a party on its fundamentals, which is ergo, the makeup of its participants.
You can argue till the cows come home on what is or is not beneficial for the JTF.... but consider this...If the BNP were anti-Semitic they would loose their democratically elected councilors; Jewish and Catholic members alike; and many others like us. We joined this party after having weighed up all these facts and saw them put to the litmus test.
As for being National Socialist, there Dhimmi...you loose credibility in your summary- Nothing could be further from the truth.
Masha:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on February 12, 2008, 07:24:28 PM ---Having a jewish representative means nothing(there is this jewish woman representative they have. i saw a picture of her). It means nothing. I heard that evil anti-semitic playright David Haires on TV begin declaring that he had a jewish wife, before going on a diatribe against jews in israel, jewish belief, settlers, e.t.c. . The "some of my best friends are jewish" line is well known. Ahmedinejad knows that line too.
--- End quote ---
If they do not explicitly support Israel, it's OK. As long as they do not undermine Israel, it's fine by me. Remember, that's all we need. As long as other countries do not actively nor clandestinely fight against Israel, that's all Israel needs. It can take care of itself, with G-d's help. Insofar the BNP fights against the islamization of their country, it is an ally of the Jews. We should support them. You cannot fight both muslims and Jews at the same time. As long as they fighting muslims and not Israel, we are travelling along the same road.
Masha:
--- Quote from: dibblah on February 12, 2008, 07:47:25 PM ---Hi Masha,
-I would like to thank you for what has been the most objective and reasonable view of any participant so far in this BNP/Pro Israeli debate.
Whereas I have entered this discussion with my own personal opinions and statements of fact, these have (perhaps understandably) been countered at every turn. This has been done by those who have been exposed to a more ignorant, historical perspective of the British nation. If you measured many "mainstream" parties and causes of whatever stripe throughout history they would without exception be anti-Semitic, anti-catholic, anti democratic et. al.
You are right to state the very important and objective points you make and most importantly to judge a party on its fundamentals, which is ergo, the makeup of its participants.
You can argue till the cows come home on what is or is not beneficial for the JTF.... but consider this...If the BNP were anti-Semitic they would loose their democratically elected councilors; Jewish and Catholic members alike; and many others like us. We joined this party after having weighed up all these facts and saw them put to the litmus test.
As for being National Socialist, there Dhimmi...you loose credibility in your summary- Nothing could be further from the truth.
--- End quote ---
dibblah, stick around. Don't leave the forum, despite the negative reaction to the BNP from some members. People's attitudes might change in the future. I myself have been defending the Swedish Party of Sweden Democrats, which has an unsavory history, but has since changed its ways.
dibblah:
Thanks Masha- HUGELY appreciated...begining to feel almost like a pariah amongst my own kind! >:(
I think were on the same wavelength and so is every other right-thinking individual in Europe who is trying to stem the tide of Isalmification.
I will of course stick around...I dont quit easily and would rather be judged on my actions rather than words, but hey, this is a forum and here we talk and discuss amongst our friends....Jewish and Christians who will not be enslaved...
God Bless.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Masha on February 12, 2008, 08:08:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on February 12, 2008, 07:24:28 PM ---Having a jewish representative means nothing(there is this jewish woman representative they have. i saw a picture of her). It means nothing. I heard that evil anti-semitic playright David Haires on TV begin declaring that he had a jewish wife, before going on a diatribe against jews in israel, jewish belief, settlers, e.t.c. . The "some of my best friends are jewish" line is well known. Ahmedinejad knows that line too.
--- End quote ---
If they do not explicitly support Israel, it's OK. As long as they do not undermine Israel, it's fine by me. Remember, that's all we need. As long as other countries do not actively nor clandestinely fight against Israel, that's all Israel needs. It can take care of itself, with G-d's help. Insofar the BNP fights against the islamization of their country, it is an ally of the Jews. We should support them. You cannot fight both muslims and Jews at the same time. As long as they fighting muslims and not Israel, we are travelling along the same road.
--- End quote ---
They can fight muslims and jews at the same time.
domestically . In britain, jews have to deal with white thugs(who will white thugs vote for - if they vote?). British jewish school children are too aware of the classic council estate thug.
Then there are faith schools(jewish,catholic,muslim,..) in britain, the secular education is subsidised by the govt, like govt schools. But the religious education, jewish parents pay for. With the BNP, I seriously doubt that any jewish schools would be supported. In contrast, the Blair - now Brown, labour government pledges its support to them! As did and would the Conservatives. They even make stupid speeches about how jewish schools are an example for other faith schools. I would rather that than they abandon them
Given the anti-semitic threat from muslims, we have community members guarding synagogues. The CST(community security trust) organises it - working closely with police. But we have also had police officers guarding it.. Moreso on busy times like festivals. (it is their job to protect the public). I seriously doubt you would get that under the BNP.
Sure it would cause no problem for Israel. But for jews living in britain, the consequences would be bad. The anti-semites will have had their party elected. They will be empowered.
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