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Re: Apes that may have evolved from humans
« Reply #75 on: March 04, 2008, 12:15:29 AM »

Quote from: Darwin
At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla. (The Descent of Man (1871) p.201)


He's right about the apes facing extinction, or the threat of it, but he got it backwards on which of the human races would face genocide.

I'd have to see the whole thing in context to really understand what his point was here, but I venture a guess that it was probably involving the fact that civilized peoples seemed more adaptable, more ready to take on challenges as a species, than the less culturally advanced negroes or Australian aboriginals, and that they would probably in time overpower the others in the struggle for existence.

This doesn't imply an innate superiority or inferiority, simply different qualities that may give a better or worse chance of survival.

Creationists are notorious for quote mining.

It's quite clear that he is saying the negroes and aboriginals lie between whites and apes on the evolutionary scale; not to mention he uses the word exterminate in regards to those people groups, This was the same justification Hitler used to exterminate the "sub-human" Jews and other "undesirables."  Perhaps he's referring to what will happen in time and not advocating it but he doesn't seem all that upset about the possibility either.   Creationists are no worse for quote mining than atheists, I've wasted many hours looking up answers to atheist websites devoted to finding contradictions in the Bible who are extremely lazy about how they read passages. 
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Re: Apes that may have evolved from humans
« Reply #76 on: March 04, 2008, 01:13:09 AM »
It's quite clear that he is saying the negroes and aboriginals lie between whites and apes on the evolutionary scale; not to mention he uses the word exterminate in regards to those people groups, the man was a monster just like Hitler when he tried to exterminate the Jews which he justified with the same reasoning as Darwin.  

Saying that it would almost certainly happen is not the same thing as advocating it actually happening. Obama will almost certainly win the presidency at this point. Saying that doesn't mean I want him to! Besides, I really think you need to take Darwin's life into account as  a whole. He didn't believe in social injustice, and he strongly opposed slavery.

Yes, he was a Victorian, a man of his time, and held certain supremacist ideas. However, he was not so hateful as to advocate genocide in the way you accuse him of.

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Re: Apes that may have evolved from humans
« Reply #77 on: March 04, 2008, 01:33:42 AM »
yeshuadisciple, you are a bastion of clarity. You're awesome!