Guns and Self-Defense > Guns/Firearms
For every Jew-a .22!
newman:
--- Quote from: takebackourtemple on March 18, 2008, 10:38:24 PM --- I wonder how compact they could make a flamethrower. If it was packaged like a cigarette lighter with a compressed flammable gas, it might be able to work. Given that you might only get a single shot, it would be awesome to see a criminal set on fire. Like that Iraqi kid who should have not been brought here to the United States their true appearances would be revealed and they would look just as ugly.
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There is a 12g shotgun load called 'Dragon's Breath' that sends out a 20+ feet pillar of flame. Such a load loaded lightly enough could be used in a 12g flare pistol legally sold in any surplus store or boat chandlery.
Yonatan777:
--- Quote from: newman on March 04, 2008, 02:46:24 AM ---OK, I know pistol permits are tough to get in NYC and elsewhere. That doesn't mean you can't defend yourself or get good, cheap firearms training. 'Non-assault' sporting rifles are not as hard to legally obtain. But where to start?
Meet America's favourite little 'do-everything' gun. The Ruger 10/22 on sale NEW for around $220-$250.
This is a ten-shot semi-automatic carbine that is innocent-looking and legal in every US duristiction (including NYC). Weighing around 5.25 lbs and being only 3 feet long, it can be operated effectively by EVERYBODY in the family from pre-teen children to the frail & elderly. THERE IS NO RECOIL, either!
These ultra-reliable, well-made rifles fire the ubiquitous .22LR ammunition that can be bought in 500 round 'bricks' for around $15-$20! This means each shot is around $0.04 each as opposed to $0.20-$1.00 per shot for centerfire rifle & pistol ammunition. That means you can afford to train/shoot LOTS & LOTS.
You can also fire .22 LR rifles at indoor pistol ranges, too (a big consideration in NYC). The lack of excessive penetration means means you won't shoot the guy next door if you shoot an intruder in your apartment.
Don't under estimate the humble .22 either. Whilst not an ideal choice for combat/defense, the .22LR has been used by MOSSAD to kill more terrorists than any other type of ammunition (and that's using even lower velocity sub-sonic rounds fired from small Beretta pistols)! The IDF also use a special version of this very rifle for silent killing and/or non-lethal leg shots on rock throwers.
There's more, too. You can modify to 10/22 to opitomise it for defense & training. The M-16 type sights below enable you to familiarise yourself with military battle sights prior to US or Israeli military service.... all at a cheap price.
Let me say that a .22 is not exactly the first choice for serious home defense. However, the .22 you can shoot and operate well is a better choice than the more powerfull weapon you cannot. This little rifle is a great place to start. When you become really proficient, move up to a more powerfull weapon if you're so inclined. Either way, you'll have a means to get lots & lots of shooting practice for very little $ PLUS you'll give the next burgler, rapist or pogromist something to think about!
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What a crappy gun for self-defense, nice for hitting bottles.. What can you do with that gun, which ahs a very unlikely chance of killing your attacker on first hit? Most thugs these days carry illegal high powered guns, sawed off high calibered shotguns and rifles. Don't let that little toy build your confidence. I think the shortest length high powered gun with high accuracy is the best chance if you cannot obtain handgun. Personally, I think every Jew ought to take a handgun training course and obtain a permit, no matter at what cost. Dont forget lot of thugs are strong and full of adrenaline and if you hit them with a .22 and dont kill them, what then?
newman:
--- Quote from: Yonatan777 on March 31, 2008, 05:20:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: newman on March 04, 2008, 02:46:24 AM ---OK, I know pistol permits are tough to get in NYC and elsewhere. That doesn't mean you can't defend yourself or get good, cheap firearms training. 'Non-assault' sporting rifles are not as hard to legally obtain. But where to start?
Meet America's favourite little 'do-everything' gun. The Ruger 10/22 on sale NEW for around $220-$250.
This is a ten-shot semi-automatic carbine that is innocent-looking and legal in every US duristiction (including NYC). Weighing around 5.25 lbs and being only 3 feet long, it can be operated effectively by EVERYBODY in the family from pre-teen children to the frail & elderly. THERE IS NO RECOIL, either!
These ultra-reliable, well-made rifles fire the ubiquitous .22LR ammunition that can be bought in 500 round 'bricks' for around $15-$20! This means each shot is around $0.04 each as opposed to $0.20-$1.00 per shot for centerfire rifle & pistol ammunition. That means you can afford to train/shoot LOTS & LOTS.
You can also fire .22 LR rifles at indoor pistol ranges, too (a big consideration in NYC). The lack of excessive penetration means means you won't shoot the guy next door if you shoot an intruder in your apartment.
Don't under estimate the humble .22 either. Whilst not an ideal choice for combat/defense, the .22LR has been used by MOSSAD to kill more terrorists than any other type of ammunition (and that's using even lower velocity sub-sonic rounds fired from small Beretta pistols)! The IDF also use a special version of this very rifle for silent killing and/or non-lethal leg shots on rock throwers.
There's more, too. You can modify to 10/22 to opitomise it for defense & training. The M-16 type sights below enable you to familiarise yourself with military battle sights prior to US or Israeli military service.... all at a cheap price.
Let me say that a .22 is not exactly the first choice for serious home defense. However, the .22 you can shoot and operate well is a better choice than the more powerfull weapon you cannot. This little rifle is a great place to start. When you become really proficient, move up to a more powerfull weapon if you're so inclined. Either way, you'll have a means to get lots & lots of shooting practice for very little $ PLUS you'll give the next burgler, rapist or pogromist something to think about!
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What a crappy gun for self-defense, nice for hitting bottles.. What can you do with that gun, which ahs a very unlikely chance of killing your attacker on first hit? Most thugs these days carry illegal high powered guns, sawed off high calibered shotguns and rifles. Don't let that little toy build your confidence. I think the shortest length high powered gun with high accuracy is the best chance if you cannot obtain handgun. Personally, I think every Jew ought to take a handgun training course and obtain a permit, no matter at what cost. Dont forget lot of thugs are strong and full of adrenaline and if you hit them with a .22 and dont kill them, what then?
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I agree with your points but I repeat:
--- Quote ---Let me say that a .22 is not exactly the first choice for serious home defense. However, the .22 you can shoot and operate well is a better choice than the more powerfull weapon you cannot.
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Multiple hits with .22s are better than misses with .45s.
Minuteman:
The more people apply for firearms, I believe the harder it is to implement gun control. One thing the gun control lobbyists have in their favor is that there are a lot of righteous people who don't want to even bother trying to obtain a weapon. First of all they feel there is no chance of getting a firearm. Second they are afraid of being embarrassed by uncomfortable questions from different authorities as to why they want a firearm, and the feeling of then being watched by those authorities. Bottom line, it is easier to simply forget about it if it is a lot of trouble. Like a smoke alarm, a firearm is something that appears to be something you'll never need or use, until the time comes where you do need it.
If most Americans applied for firearms it would be impossible to deny most of the law abiding citizens, because of the paperwork involved, and almost all politicians would support the right to bear arms because based on the number of people applying for gun permits; it would then become political suicide to stand against the 2nd amendment.
Americanhero1:
Guns are the best i got 9 ;D
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