Guns and Self-Defense > Guns/Firearms
For every Jew-a .22!
newman:
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--- Quote from: newman on March 31, 2008, 10:14:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: old06 on March 31, 2008, 10:01:59 PM ---Well I must say that a 22 is better that to try that reasoning crap with some one hell bent on hurting you or your love one I read a while back the FBI had a stat that more 22 are used to shoot some one than any other round, the Eskimos hunted all there meat for years with well worn 22, its one round that early bullet vest could not stop, president Reagan was almost killed withone. Next I have shot coyote, deer and many small game with one and yes I know the 22 is not leagel in many areas to hunt with I think in the hands of a skilled marksman it is so deadly by the way the CIA developed a sub sonic round better known as the CB cap to be used by there assassins. Yep I may not grab it first but I have shot many fire arms in my life and have qualified marksman in the service but if I was in a bind and had to flee fast i would grab a 22
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That's another point.
Re: Bugging out.
Many take it forgranted they'll have use of their half-ton pickup or SUV when the SHTF. LOL!
When the gas pups are off and ALL highways clogged, jammed or closed, you're gonna be on foot, like it or not.
If you limit ammo to 15 lbs (remember you've got weapons, food & camping gear to carry) here's what you can pack:
15 lbs of .308......................225 rds
" .223......................390 rds
" 12 g.....................123 rds
15 lbs of .22 LR....................1,850 rds!!
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Newman you and I think alike a mountain bike, back pack and MRE in the barn and my wife ask me why I keep that junk for the last 15 years I tell her you never know when this stuff will come in handy its better than gold O0
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I read SHTF forums and I'm amazed at some people's posts.
There equipment list will be:
" Glock 19
1911A1
S&W .357
AR-15
Ruger 77 in 22-250
Rem 700 in 30-06
M1-A in .308
Ruger single Six .22
Ruger 10/22
Mossberg 500 pump
Ithaca 37 20 guage with mod choke"
All good weapons but that many and all the different calibers?? Why 3 CF pistols, 2 shotguns and 4 CF rifles all with different ammo??
You're taking ONE handgun (maybe a small backup aswell) and ONE long arm and TWO different cals (one would be better).............That's it, you can't carry any more.
Now bugging out of NYC requires differnt choices to bugging out of Boise, ID.
My choice to bug out of town when the NG or police are going crazy, blocking exits & seizing weapons etc is:
Glock 19 w 200 rds of +P+ HPs (Close in firepower, concealability, stopping power, reliability)
Ruger 10/22 w folding stock, 2X scope and an M1 bandolier full of 10 rd factory magazines Plus 2x500rd bricks of subsonic solids. (hides in a back pack)
The reason for the Glock is that up close you need firepower AND stopping power. 9mm HPs provide this plus the ability to carry more than you can in .45.
As for the .22, it's quiet (don't attract attention when the place is crawling with government people gone haywire), subsonic solids will penetrate skulls at 100m. You don't need any more range than 100m when escaping & evading. If they're beyond 100m leave them alone and stay out of sight. As for stopping power, it's less important beyond 25m as you're out of axe, knife and accurate pistol range (looter skill levels). Injuring/killing is enough beyond 25m in an minimalist situation.
The mountain bikes are BRILLIANT ideas. The mountain bike will be the ONLY option when the gas pumps are off and the highways choked.
old06:
newman they would need a u haul to move that kind of stuff I never read much about that SHTF stuff just go with my instink we live by our wits and you need to know more that one way to skin a cat so to speak. I look at it this way the simpler the mouse trap the more I like it know how to raise a garden, take game, fish, home remedies and fix what you own and when the time comes you can make it out alive
newman:
--- Quote from: old06 on April 01, 2008, 08:00:23 AM ---newman they would need a u haul to move that kind of stuff I never read much about that SHTF stuff just go with my instink we live by our wits and you need to know more that one way to skin a cat so to speak. I look at it this way the simpler the mouse trap the more I like it know how to raise a garden, take game, fish, home remedies and fix what you own and when the time comes you can make it out alive
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Exactly.
I'm amazed that city people can't see it comming. As soon as they make a few bucks, what do they do? Sell their good 1500 sq ft home to get a 3000 sq ft home! Why not keep the modest house and get a few acres 200 miles away to escape to?
You'll find that your garden, traps & trot line will keep you & your family going forever. A place right away from the main highway in a rural area full of like-minded people will be safe.
As for security, a gillie suit & a .22, 30-30 or 12g in the bush will nail more bad guys at less risk to you than a standup gunfight with an AR. Take a lesson from G-d. Remain invisible and smite your enemies down unseen. ;)
old06:
Exactly.
I'm amazed that city people can't see it comming. As soon as they make a few bucks, what do they do? Sell their good 1500 sq ft home to get a 3000 sq ft home! Why not keep the modest house and get a few acres 200 miles away to escape to?
You'll find that your garden, traps & trot line will keep you & your family going forever. A place right away from the main highway in a rural area full of like-minded people will be safe.
As for security, a gillie suit & a .22, 30-30 or 12g in the bush will nail more bad guys at less risk to you than a standup gunfight with an AR. Take a lesson from G-d. Remain invisible and smite your enemies down unseen.
newman you have a great insite on your recommendations I like the idea of hand loading to a extent that I have a supply of ammo for a time to come but like most things it to would run out trapping with snare sets will supply you wit small game for a extended time ....................all good points newman
newman:
History has shown that when the SHTF and food gets scarce, the larger game animals become extinct very quickly.
Deer & such are wasteful unless you have lots of people to feed or a freezer that works.
Birds, squirrels, racoons & rabbits will be the main fare. .22s will do for them. 550 rds/year X 30 years = $300. That's cheap.
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