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Khashayarsha:
--- Quote from: zelhar on April 30, 2008, 06:02:18 PM ---Welcome to the forum Khashayarsha, I hope you hang around here, enrich your knowledge and ours too.
--- Quote ---I didn't really say "communism" "is/was" a "jewish" ideology, i was trying to say the only "government" made by a "jew" was "communism" so i just say communism.. Dont take this crazy... I already know "communism" is not support of jews. So, sorry.
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In your question above, I believe you assume that there has never been a Jewish government. The only place ever had or will have a Jewish government is the land of Israel, any "Jew" trying to install a government on foreign soil is acting against Judaism and Jews.
We had a Jewish government- we had it in the days of Joshua, The Judges,King David and his hair until the Babylonian exile in 512BC. We had it again, first we had autonomy in Judea granted to us by YOUR SHAHA OF PERSIA CYRUS THE GREAT, later we had sovereignty under the Hashmonai Dinasty. Then came roman occupation and exile...
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I'm guessing Jewish "government" was some type of monarchy with influences of the torah? And have the Jews ever enslaved anyone in their empire? Just asking.
Khashayarsha:
--- Quote from: MarZutra on April 30, 2008, 06:03:25 PM ---This fellow is ok. I see he is thinking. Anyone who is a thinking individual is ok in my book. O0 Under Jewish Law "Halacha" Karl Marx would still be a Jew albeit not at all involved with his Jewishness nor any of Judaism.
My point was to display that it is a distortion of historical fact to solely place Communism on the shoulders of one man: Karl Marx, due to him being of Jewish roots, while not affording half of the credit to his partner Engles. Sure he is afforded the title of "Father of modern Communism" while the ideology has been around since the dawn of time under varius titles and promulgated by various "thinkers" of various ethnic, cultural or "religious" origins..
;)
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Thanks for replying and this is what i was looking for.
Ulli:
--- Quote from: MarZutra on April 30, 2008, 05:48:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: Khashayarsha on April 30, 2008, 12:52:21 AM ---So this site is against arabs, communists, even though the creator of communism was a jew, and what else?
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Sorry I had to get involved here. I think it is unfortunate that Khashayarsha was confronted so forcefully when he first came on. I haven't read all of his threads. It seems to me that he was confronted when he stated his views of 911. He's not the only one that thinks 911 was highly questionable as too the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions.
http://www.chuckcoppes.com/images/stories/petrodollar_warfare_and_collapse_of_us_dollar_imperialism-special_report.pdf
My specific arguement/debate with this fellow is his statement that "the creator of Communism was a Jew...". I directly challenge this fellow to research the subject and include such names as François-Marie Arouet (1694 – 1778), Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712 – 1778), Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770 – 1831), Robert Owen (1771-1858), Charles Fourier (1772-1837), Thomas Taylor (1758 - 1835) Saint/Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535) and his book "Utopia", Saint Ignatius of Loyola (1491 – 1556) and the Jesuit Utopia in Paraguay, Plotinus (AD 204–270) or Plato (428/427 B.C.E.– 348/347 B.C.E.) and his "Republic". ALL are non-Jews. ALL before Karl Marx, who subsequently converted out of Judaism at a young age to Christianity. Game, set, match........Jews did not invent Communism!
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Good points Mar-Zutra!
The most important among this people is in my oppinion Thomas Morus.
In my oppinion Communism is a Christian heresy.
There are some quotes from the Gospels that can - out of context - justify Communism. But if you read the context you see clearly that Communism is a heresy.
If you live in a christian community like the Hutterites there is only limited or no private property. This is no heresie, because everybody, who joins do it freely and the community ownes property in order to give the members of it according to their needs. In the apostles story you find the souces to this.
Communism is totally different.
In communism the state robs your property. This is according to the bible a sin. To give it freely for a good cause is a good deed and you minimize the spiritual seductions of wealth.
In addition to that Communisms goal is to create the paradise on earth. This is also a sin.
The most Jews who joined in the first time of the UDSSR did it, because they want assimilate and Communisms promise is to make all people equal. This was a terrible mistake.
All what Communism promises will not happen, before the Messias will arrive. I believe it will be the second time, you the first, but before this will never be a perfect world and all people who say this
llike Muzzies do too - They try to bring back the in their eyes perfect society of the so called prophet of Islam and his Sahaba
will only bring terrible horrors over the whole human race and no redemption.
Khashayarsha:
--- Quote from: Golden Pheasant on April 30, 2008, 06:12:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: MarZutra on April 30, 2008, 05:48:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: Khashayarsha on April 30, 2008, 12:52:21 AM ---So this site is against arabs, communists, even though the creator of communism was a jew, and what else?
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Sorry I had to get involved here. I think it is unfortunate that Khashayarsha was confronted so forcefully when he first came on. I haven't read all of his threads. It seems to me that he was confronted when he stated his views of 911. He's not the only one that thinks 911 was highly questionable as too the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions.
http://www.chuckcoppes.com/images/stories/petrodollar_warfare_and_collapse_of_us_dollar_imperialism-special_report.pdf
My specific arguement/debate with this fellow is his statement that "the creator of Communism was a Jew...". I directly challenge this fellow to research the subject and include such names as François-Marie Arouet (1694 – 1778), Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712 – 1778), Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770 – 1831), Robert Owen (1771-1858), Charles Fourier (1772-1837), Thomas Taylor (1758 - 1835) Saint/Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535) and his book "Utopia", Saint Ignatius of Loyola (1491 – 1556) and the Jesuit Utopia in Paraguay, Plotinus (AD 204–270) or Plato (428/427 B.C.E.– 348/347 B.C.E.) and his "Republic". ALL are non-Jews. ALL before Karl Marx, who subsequently converted out of Judaism at a young age to Christianity. Game, set, match........Jews did not invent Communism!
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Good points Mar-Zutra!
The most important among this people is in my oppinion Thomas Morus.
In my oppinion Communism is a Christian heresy.
There are some quotes from the Gospels that can - out of context - justify Communism. But if you read the context you see clearly that Communism is a heresy.
If you live in a christian community like the Hutterites there is only limited or no private property. This is no heresie, because everybody, who joins do it freely and the community ownes property in order to give the members of it according to their needs. In the apostles story you find the souces to this.
Communism is totally different.
In communism the state robs your property. This is according to the bible a sin. To give it freely for a good cause is a good deed and you minimize the spiritual seductions of wealth.
In addition to that Communisms goal is to create the paradise on earth. This is also a sin.
The most Jews who joined in the first time of the UDSSR did it, because they want assimilate and Communisms promise is to make all people equal. This was a terrible mistake.
All what Communism promises will not happen, before the Messias will arrive. I believe it will be the second time, you the first, but before this will never be a perfect world and all people who say this
llike Muzzies do too - They try to bring back the in their eyes perfect society of the so called prophet of Islam and his Sahaba
will only bring terrible horrors over the whole human race and no redemption.
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do you guys have a propaganda thread? So i can read more on the crap that jews are blamed on?
MarZutra:
Good points Golden. I think you will be thoroughly impressed/depressed when reading about the Jesuit Commune in Paraguay...
Now Khashayarsha, under Judaism the kingdom is that of a Monarchy governed under moral law. There are courts of law called SanHedrin which hear various legal cases and passes judgement.
To my understaning there wasn't really ever a Jewish Empire as I do not believe in the entirety of history of Israel the peoples never attempted to invade any other lands other than those designated to them in the Torah to Abraham about 2000BCE.
Did they have slaves, yes. But slavery under Jewish law is VERY different than that of slavery under Egyptians, Persians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, "Dhimmi" under Islam, American/Britian or under Stalin/Mao/Castro/Pal Pot's Communism. Actually, the biblical position but more so the Talmudic teachings lie at the base of Western ideological specificities of what now is known as "Human Rights". Slaves had rights under their Jewish masters. Usually one didn't come into slavery via conquest but via debt. A Jew could be a "slave" to another Jew and is released until he/filled his obligations.
....I'd pose these specific questions to Lubab or Nik for more accurate examples...
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