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Proofs For Young Earth
Christian Zionist:
jdl4ever:
I won't bother with the other ridiculous claims made by dumb people who never studied science. If you want to believe the earth is only a few thousand years old then base it on faith and not on science since there is too much scientific proof that it is not so.
Exodus 20:11 - For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Is this verse a lie? You said you do not like this post! Do you like the verse Exodus 20:11?
Who is dumb? The so-called scientists who support the theory of evolution are atheists, G-d hates and Bible haters. Their aim is to attack and disprove the Bible. How can a person believe in the Bible and the myth of evolution at the same time?
1. Hitler applied evolution, claiming that his German race with it's superior intellect and Aryan blood was best fitted to survive and control the world. He said: "The whole of nature is a continuous struggle between strength and weakness, an eternal victory of the strong over the weak". This false theory led to his and Germany's shameful defeat in 1945, thus showing the world that his philosophy was a lie, and proved the truthfulness of G-d's Word:
"The race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong". Ecclesiastes 9:11.
2. Universal spread of Atheism among the educated masses. Millions of young people have lost their faith in G-d by studying Evolution theory. Huxley said: "Evolution, if consistently accepted, makes it impossible to believe the Bible".
Nietzsche said: "Neither crime, cruelty, sexuality, nor intoxication need be matters of shame or repentance". To him, Christian morality was the chief obstacle preventing the emergence of a superman.
3. Communism. Karl Marx who wrote "Das Capital", the basis of Communism, wrote to Fredrick Engels that Darwin's book "contains the basis in natural history for our views". Marx wished to dedicate his "Das Capital" to Darwin, but Darwin politely declined the offer.
Yeroslavasky, a friend of Joseph Stalin wrote of him:
"Comrad Stalin began to read Darwin and became an atheist". (Landmarks in the Life of Stalin, 1940, p.8}. Stalin killed millions of his own countrymen in World War II by confiscating Ukrainian's food.
I won't bother with the other ridiculous claims made by dumb people who never studied science
So Hitler, Marx, Stalin and Huxley are brilliant and Biblical prophets like Moses and Isaiah are dumb?
--- Quote from: MassuhDGoodName on January 10, 2007, 03:33:59 PM ---I can not speak for anyone else, but the fact that one of the documented scientific articles in the aforementioned post is dated in the 1800's, IS ALL THE PROOF I NEED!
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The Tanak was completed (Divinely inspired) approximately 2000 years ago. Was it not reliable?
Obviously the writers of the Bible who were inspired by the divine Spirit did not study science and they directly got revelation from G-d. Bible did not cause any bad social effects like evolution which inspired Marx, Stalin, Hitler and other evil men in history.
1. "In the beginning G-d created the heaven and the earth". Genesis 1:1
2. "So G-d created man in his own image, ... Male and female". Genesis 1:27
3. "The Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created ..." Genesis 6:7
4. "The day that G-d created man upon the earth". Deuteronomy 4:32
5. "Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might ....." Isaiah 40:26
6. "Hast thou not known? Hast thou not heard, that the everlasting G-d, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? There is no searching of his understanding." Isaiah 40:28
7. "I have created him (humans) for my glory". Isaiah 43:7
8. "I have made the earth, and created man upon it". Isaiah 45:12
9. "Hath not one G-d created us?" Malachi 2:10
Christian Zionist:
--- Quote from: azrom on January 10, 2007, 05:03:46 PM ---young earth agruments: a second look http://home.entouch.net/dmd/age.htm
more here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html
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Crisis in Crater Count Dating:
http://www.icr.org/article/3139/
Articles related to Age of Universe:
http://www.icr.org/article/816/6/
Where Can We See Young-Earth Evidence?
http://www.icr.org/article/2823/
http://www.icr.org/topic/76/
jdl4ever:
Christian Zionist, the six days menchaned in the bible are not refering to twenty four hour days as we know it. They refer to a day from G-d's perspective which is billions of years. Most Jews agree to this, but if you don't, I respect your opinion. There is absolute proof of this in the bible. Go no further than the first chapter. Before the sun and moon were even created and G-d formed the days months and the years, the bible uses the days. So obviously, they can not refer to 24 hour days that are governed by the sun and the moon since they were not created yet when the days were used!
Genesis 1: 14: "And G-d said let there be lights in the empty space of heaven to seperate between day and night and let them be for signs, for festivals and for days and years
Genesis 15: And let the lights be in the empty space of heaven to give light onto the earth, and it was so
Genesis 16: And G-d made the two big lights, the big light to rule over the day and the small light to rule over the night, and the stars...
........ to rule between day and night and divide between light and darkness.... and there was evening and morning a fourth day.
BUT the previous verses state that three days have already passed BEFORE the sun and moon was even created and before days even existed as stated by genesiss 1:14! So obviously, it is impossible for the days to be 24 hour days, since the 24 hour day was only created on the fourth day of creation. The days are running at a different time frame, G-d's perspective.
You have yet to bring scientific proof to your theories, you just got all mad when the claims you brought were proven wrong. Of course G-d created everything in six days as menchaned by the bible, but the days are not 24 hour days as is clearly derived from the bible. And just because evil people were inspired by something does not make it bad. Many evil people were inspired by the bible to do evil since they were demented and demented people get inspired by anything.
Christian Zionist:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on January 11, 2007, 01:14:32 AM ---Christian Zionist, the six days menchaned in the bible are not refering to twenty four hour days as we know it. They refer to a day from G-d's perspective which is billions of years. Most Jews agree to this, but if you don't, I respect your opinion. There is absolute proof of this in the bible. Go no further than the first chapter.
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Absolute proof in the Bible?
According to Genesis 1:11-13 God created vegetation and all plants and God created the Sun and Moon on the 4th day (1:14-18). How did plants survive without Sun light for billions of years? What happened to Photosynthesis?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthesis#In_plants
How did the earth get rain (cloud formation) without the heat from the the Sun for billions of years?
God created the animal kingdom on the fifth day (Genesis 1:20-23). Then how did the plants reproduce? Without insects for billions of years how did pollination happen?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollen
First of all you answer these questions to prove the Gap theory.
Why would God wait for billions of years in between the "days"? We do not have to help God by inventing illogical theories like gap and big bang.
The mention of days does not mean days existed before. Moses wrote them to give us a narrative about what happend during the first 6 days.
jdl4ever:
Obviously the sun existed before the fourth day but it was not completed until the fourth day; otherwize how could the plants and animals survive. The reason why the bible goes out of its way to tell you that when the sun was created on the fourth day then there were days and seasons is very obviously to teach us a lesson that the days are not 24 hour days (since it implies that days and seasons were not counted until that point). This is very obvious.
The big bang theory and basic evolutionary theory (the inteligent design version which is basically the same thing with G-d) are very logical theories and there are libraries of scientific data showing the beauty of these theories. Did you know your DNA and mouse DNA is over 90% identical? My father is an expert in mathematics and physics and he understands some of the mathematical beauty of the big bang theory. Personally, I have a scientific background and understand much of the beauty of evolutionary theory since it is such a clever process that only G-d could have thought up. If you understand these theories then you understand why G-d created the universe this way, since it is the most intelligent way to do so. Let me ask you a question. Is it a more economical and brilliant way to create everything in the universe seperately in millions of creationary steps; or to design a process where a tiny spec is created and from that everything in the universe until the end of time falls into place exactly the way G-d wanted it to be to the extent that where you are standing now was planned by G-d to occur at the moment he created that tiny spec to expand into the universe. Amazing. The powers of G-d are demonstrated by the big bang theory. Studying science proves the existance of G-d since you see the beauty of his work. It's not the opposite way around.
I know the next question you will ask me. You will ask why didn't G-d create the universe faster, instead of billions of years, why didn't he create it in 6 human days? The answer is that time is irrelevant since from G-d's perspective there is no time. Time is a creation of G-d and G-d created time only in this universe. It is really artificial since before our universe was created by G-d, there was no time. To G-d and the angels who don't live in our universe there is no such thing as time so time is completely irrelevent.
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