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Breakdown of the Halakhic System - Two Earth-Shattering Shiurim - Exclusive
Lubab:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 30, 2008, 07:24:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lubab on June 30, 2008, 07:19:51 PM ---With this q_q you are hitting on a deeper discussion. Who are you? If we change your name does that change you in any way?
What if we change everything about how you act and talk but you keep your namewhat kind of effect would that have on how you define yourself?
We see an example of this when the sages say: Pinchas Hu Eliyahu? (Pinchas is Elijah). Is he actually the same person? No way! But they had the same kind of mission and the same kind of actions so we go by that which much more defines who a person really is than their name.
This unity of mission between people of different generations is really what the books on reincarnation are talking about, not the reincarnation of actual souls as most people believe because they never read the introduction to Shaar Hagilgilum.
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I am glad that you like my reincarnation explanation - call it the reincarnation like in shir hagilgulim, which you say is reincarnated mission. Very good. But I made it up to agree with judea's point.
To take it seriously after I said I made it up, is ridiculous.
Do you think I have ruach hakodesh? and even though I said I made it up, it is still true?
I don't know where you are going there.
I tihnk the other line of discussion about what the sources say is more sensible. You seem to be saying that no source says they were or were not the same. Well let's see. I mentioned Rashi.
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I didn't get that explanation from you I got it from the intro to Shaar Hagilgulim by the Arizal.
And it is true. That is what reincarnation is all about.
That does not mean you have Ruach Hakodesh.
Lubab:
It may be they don't specifically say they are or are not the same person or it may be they are saying it in the same way they say Pinchas Hu Eliyahu (reincarnation of mission/actions).
Now I hope you can see how two opinions that at first seem impossible to reconcile can both be valid.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Lubab on June 30, 2008, 07:22:06 PM ---Read what I just wrote above your post about Pinchas and Eliyahu and you'll see a good example of what I'm talking about.
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you made up that it's a reincarnation. (of mission. Like the reincarnations (of mission you say) that the arizal describes in shir hagilgulim).
But hte arizal lists them and doesn't list hagar and keturah as being that situation.
You have invented your own idea that G-d sent keturah the mission of Hagar. Do you have ruach hakodesh?
And saying it's like those spoken of in the arizal. I guess you think the arizal missed it out.
Anyhow, Rashi did not mention anything of the sort.
You are clearly reading into rashi a completely different thing to what Rashi was saying.
He said ZOH HAGAR. This is hagar.
you're saying.. Well, actually rashi is saying it's not hagar, but it's somebody with the same mission as hagar..
That is not what rashi said.
q_q_:
The arizal claimed to have been taught by heavenly teachers, that's how he compiled such a list in shir hagilgulim.
You are not. So you can't justify adding hagar and keturah to the list.
And you certainly can't then claim that rashi was saying this. You can't even claim that the arizal was saying this.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on June 30, 2008, 07:31:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lubab on June 30, 2008, 07:22:06 PM ---Read what I just wrote above your post about Pinchas and Eliyahu and you'll see a good example of what I'm talking about.
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you made up that it's a reincarnation. (of mission. Like the reincarnations (of mission you say) that the arizal describes in shir hagilgulim).
But hte arizal lists them and doesn't list hagar and keturah as being that situation.
You have invented your own idea that G-d sent keturah the mission of Hagar. Do you have ruach hakodesh?
And saying it's like those spoken of in the arizal. I guess you think the arizal missed it out.
Anyhow, Rashi did not mention anything of the sort.
You are clearly reading into rashi a completely different thing to what Rashi was saying.
He said ZOH HAGAR. This is hagar.
you're saying.. Well, actually rashi is saying it's not hagar, but it's somebody with the same mission as hagar..
That is not what rashi said.
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No offense, but if you were a poetry student I would have failed you a long time ago because you don't seem able to understand that the written word the way you understand it is not always the only meaning it can possibly have.
Your question goes to the heart of how we define who a person really is: by their actions, or by their given name.
So the sages can say "this person is that person" and be referring to their actions or their mission and not their physical body.
Do you understand that?
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