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Re: how many Jews are in the forum?
« Reply #225 on: April 02, 2008, 04:51:55 AM »
One the same token though, isn't it wrong to not give protection to non-halacha Jews in lieu of the Nazi definition of who is a Jew conflicting with the Halacha's definition?<snip>

If you read what I wrote more carefully, you will see I actually anticipated that response.. And I said, said YES, I think they could save them too . BUT, don't  call them jews.
(of course, the state of israel came in time to save the jews from arab lands  - though the idea of a jewish state incited the arab barbarians enough to increase their persecution of jews and drive them out!)

there is no such thing as "non halachic jews". As you say, you defined them by the nazi definition of who is a jew.  Admitting that is what you meant. That is more honest. But that is sick.

you want to talk about people who are "culturally jewish". Pathetic, but not so sick..
Stupid too. Eat a baigel  - congratulations.  Bring your non-jewish friend, he can be a cultural jew too. Then he can see for himself how "nothingy" it is!

Or, "ethnically jewish". Kind of offensive , potentially racist, trivial, petty, offensive to those that converted - they are just as jewish. Offensive to judaism to suggest being jewish is just an ethnicity. 

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Re: how many Jews are in the forum?
« Reply #226 on: April 03, 2008, 01:32:07 AM »
I think it is equally sick, if not more so, to be exclusive towards halacha non-Jews whom the Nazis considered Jews.  Seriously, how do you think they feel?  In your mind they're not Jews, but to the Nazis they were.  Imagine one of them pleading, "I'm not really a Jew!"  I can think of no worse fate, which is sadly the fate I am living.  Too Jewish for the goyim, and a non-Jew for the Jews.  Although the people on my birthright trip didn't seem to care, and the modern state of Israel has evolved its law regarding this. 

If anything, the Jewish people or people who call themselves Jews, non halachaly or not, is essentially a clade, a group of people who have descended from a common ancestor--Abraham Isaac and Jacob. 

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Re: how many Jews are in the forum?
« Reply #227 on: April 03, 2008, 01:37:31 AM »
I think it is equally sick, if not more so, to be exclusive towards halacha non-Jews whom the Nazis considered Jews.  Seriously, how do you think they feel?  In your mind they're not Jews, but to the Nazis they were.  Imagine one of them pleading, "I'm not really a Jew!"  I can think of no worse fate, which is sadly the fate I am living.  Too Jewish for the goyim, and a non-Jew for the Jews.  Although the people on my birthright trip didn't seem to care, and the modern state of Israel has evolved its law regarding this. 

If anything, the Jewish people or people who call themselves Jews, non halachaly or not, is essentially a clade, a group of people who have descended from a common ancestor--Abraham Isaac and Jacob. 

Why does it matter who the Nazis (yimach shemam) considered what?  It is not haters of Jews that decide what our laws are.  It is not antisemites that replace our Torah with their own opinions and racial fantasies such that we have to give them credibility. 

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Re: how many Jews are in the forum?
« Reply #228 on: April 03, 2008, 01:50:30 AM »
Such a damning argument.  Yes, one could tell the SS officer he isn't really a Jew because his father, not his mother was Jewish.  It's the torah were talking about here, G-d's law.  You think that SS officer is going to give a [censored]? 

It's not just "haters," most other people are not aware about the maternal bit, so for most people, having 1 Jewish parent, mother or father, that person considers the other a Jew. 

Consider also the Torah was written over 5000 years ago.  Do you belive the world was created in 7 days as the torah says, or that the world is much older given advances in science?  Modern man did not descened from Adam and Eve as the Torah states, mitochondral DNA has traced all humans to a common ancestral mother living in Africa some 250,000 years ago. 

The Torah is an awesome work, I love seeng one opened, such a beautiful thing.  But modern science is also a beautiful thing, and so is adapting thought to modern times. 

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« Reply #229 on: April 03, 2008, 02:00:05 AM »
I a Jew by birth[my mother]Am a Christian but a Jewish believer from his dads side desearves no protection?I know who I be , representing but we should not forget those who suffer for the sin of being a Jew yet we say they arent! ;)

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« Reply #230 on: April 03, 2008, 11:38:38 AM »
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The Torah is an awesome work, I love seeng one opened, such a beautiful thing.  But modern science is also a beautiful thing, and so is adapting thought to modern times. 

And herein lies what we are dealing with.

You appear on the surface to merely be illogical, not realising that nazis do not define judaism..

But here you admit, your belief that judaism is not divine( it just has some bits you happen to like).  And you probably don't think any religion is divine/truth.

you have no respect for anybody that believes in their religion as truth

And you just Expect Jews to accept without question you demanding or pleading that they change jewish law according to your personal feelings.

You are basically a reformed socialist type in relation to religion...  They have up given up trying to wipe out religion.. That wasn't working. So they found a better way. o They try to rubbish them all together, say nobody knows which one is true..
But then they often hide that fact too.. And without any respect, they just plead with the believer, that he abide by his personal feelings, making out that the believer is immoral..  And no amount of reason will change. because it is not about reason.  You are a fraud.  All liberals do that.



 


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Re: how many Jews are in the forum?
« Reply #231 on: August 04, 2008, 10:56:05 PM »
any more
it's better to have a Jewish State, which is hated by the whole world, than an Auschwitz loved by it.”

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Re: how many Jews are in the forum?
« Reply #232 on: August 04, 2008, 11:24:55 PM »
any more
 

  WHY are you people SO FORCEFUL? Its BAD enough coming from forceful indoctrinators of Catholicism, just to please PEOPLE.
  YES, I am a JEWESS.
No, I have NOT been circumcised.  :o
 CLEARLY I TRY to have PATIENCE about this. I think I am way too touchy on this subject, maybe Im wrong, I dont know, I always see this as an attack, straight out against me, but I know its not, but at the same time, I think it is  :'(  IS there ANYONE else that has background in being Crypto? Maybe YOU can relate. I tell you, it really is TOUGH, having BOTH faiths in ones family, I belong NO-PLACE.
AND PLEASE,  SPARE ME THE INQUISITION.
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Re: how many Jews are in the forum?
« Reply #233 on: August 04, 2008, 11:26:08 PM »
Shalom,

Im a Jew and Im in the forum... Do I count?

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You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: how many Jews are in the forum?
« Reply #234 on: August 04, 2008, 11:28:15 PM »
Shalom,

Im a Jew and Im in the forum... Do I count?

muman613


 YES! You are the NICEST and MOST Holiest one on this WHOLE FORUM, PERIOD. TY for the Everynight Psalms, and the Torah Anytimes.  O0 I LOVE YOU Muman. You make me feel more centered.
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Re: how many Jews are in the forum?
« Reply #235 on: August 04, 2008, 11:28:53 PM »
any more
 

  WHY are you people SO FORCEFUL? Its BAD enough coming from forceful indoctrinators of Catholicism, just to please PEOPLE.
  YES, I am a JEWESS.
No, I have NOT been circumcised.  :o
 CLEARLY I TRY to have PATIENCE about this. I think I am way too touchy on this subject, maybe Im wrong, I dont know, I always see this as an attack, straight out against me, but I know its not, but at the same time, I think it is  :'(  IS there ANYONE else that has background in being Crypto? Maybe YOU can relate. I tell you, it really is TOUGH, having BOTH faiths in ones family, I belong NO-PLACE.
AND PLEASE,  SPARE ME THE INQUISITION.

Paulette,

You are a wonderful person and a great contributor to this forum {IMO}. If you have a true desire to learn from Torah and live a life of mitzvahs you may be on your way to being a halachic Jew {given you convert fully}.

I like you regardless of your path in life...

muman613

PS: I am not familiar with the halachas concerning this matter. I think it would be best to consult with a Rabbi on this..
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You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: how many Jews are in the forum?
« Reply #236 on: August 04, 2008, 11:49:02 PM »

  Well, Muman- The way you ARE, anybody would WANT to become better, and work TOWARDS total and complete conversion.
  However, I am a maverick, so, G-d will have to deal with this, should He require MORE of me. G-d KNOWS that I DO always seek to please Him. Mattor of FACT, REAL humility is doing what is RIGHT, and standing UP, vs false humility, as in humbling ones self to people..
  If people here REALLY knew how I really am (which I am like a little girl in my heart and spirit) I think people would EAT MY LUNCHEON.
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« Reply #237 on: August 05, 2008, 12:06:10 AM »

  Well, Muman- The way you ARE, anybody would WANT to become better, and work TOWARDS total and complete conversion.
  However, I am a maverick, so, G-d will have to deal with this, should He require MORE of me. G-d KNOWS that I DO always seek to please Him. Mattor of FACT, REAL humility is doing what is RIGHT, and standing UP, vs false humility, as in humbling ones self to people..
  If people here REALLY knew how I really am (which I am like a little girl in my heart and spirit) I think people would EAT MY LUNCHEON.

Believe me.. If I want food, the last thing on my mind is a little girl's lunch!

I just went to a (kosher) cafe  - can't eat meat during the 9 days -  I knew I had made a mistake when I saw that 70% of the people there were women! But I had no choice, elsewhere was closed.   Food was aweful!

It took ages to get served too, the woman serving was too busy drawing flowers on my plate

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« Reply #238 on: August 05, 2008, 12:21:41 AM »

  Well, Muman- The way you ARE, anybody would WANT to become better, and work TOWARDS total and complete conversion.
  However, I am a maverick, so, G-d will have to deal with this, should He require MORE of me. G-d KNOWS that I DO always seek to please Him. Mattor of FACT, REAL humility is doing what is RIGHT, and standing UP, vs false humility, as in humbling ones self to people..
  If people here REALLY knew how I really am (which I am like a little girl in my heart and spirit) I think people would EAT MY LUNCHEON.

Believe me.. If I want food, the last thing on my mind is a little girl's lunch!

I just went to a (kosher) cafe  - can't eat meat during the 9 days -  I knew I had made a mistake when I saw that 70% of the people there were women! But I had no choice, elsewhere was closed.   Food was aweful!

It took ages to get served too, the woman serving was too busy drawing flowers on my plate

  Q-Q!! DANG- I forgot, YOU TOO! You know I adore YOU q-q! You have CARED for MY soul & HEART! You would not EVER eat My lunch!
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« Reply #239 on: August 05, 2008, 12:31:37 AM »

  Well, Muman- The way you ARE, anybody would WANT to become better, and work TOWARDS total and complete conversion.
  However, I am a maverick, so, G-d will have to deal with this, should He require MORE of me. G-d KNOWS that I DO always seek to please Him. Mattor of FACT, REAL humility is doing what is RIGHT, and standing UP, vs false humility, as in humbling ones self to people..
  If people here REALLY knew how I really am (which I am like a little girl in my heart and spirit) I think people would EAT MY LUNCHEON.

Believe me.. If I want food, the last thing on my mind is a little girl's lunch!

I just went to a (kosher) cafe  - can't eat meat during the 9 days -  I knew I had made a mistake when I saw that 70% of the people there were women! But I had no choice, elsewhere was closed.   Food was aweful!

It took ages to get served too, the woman serving was too busy drawing flowers on my plate

  Q-Q!! DANG- I forgot, YOU TOO! You know I adore YOU q-q! You have CARED for MY soul & HEART! You would not EVER eat My lunch!

Thanks,.   By the way, I can't even eat my own lunch, if you'd seen my cooking you'd know why!

I must say, these cold baked beans are pretty good 'cos I haven't had baked beans for a few days!

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Re: how many Jews are in the forum?
« Reply #240 on: August 05, 2008, 12:42:21 AM »

  Well, Muman- The way you ARE, anybody would WANT to become better, and work TOWARDS total and complete conversion.
  However, I am a maverick, so, G-d will have to deal with this, should He require MORE of me. G-d KNOWS that I DO always seek to please Him. Mattor of FACT, REAL humility is doing what is RIGHT, and standing UP, vs false humility, as in humbling ones self to people..
  If people here REALLY knew how I really am (which I am like a little girl in my heart and spirit) I think people would EAT MY LUNCHEON.

Believe me.. If I want food, the last thing on my mind is a little girl's lunch!

I just went to a (kosher) cafe  - can't eat meat during the 9 days -  I knew I had made a mistake when I saw that 70% of the people there were women! But I had no choice, elsewhere was closed.   Food was aweful!

It took ages to get served too, the woman serving was too busy drawing flowers on my plate

  Q-Q!! DANG- I forgot, YOU TOO! You know I adore YOU q-q! You have CARED for MY soul & HEART! You would not EVER eat My lunch!

Thanks,.   By the way, I can't even eat my own lunch, if you'd seen my cooking you'd know why!

I must say, these cold baked beans are pretty good 'cos I haven't had baked beans for a few days!

Hey q_q,

Watch out, haven't you heard about the Bushes Baked Beans conspiracy theory? The Bush family is up to their eyeballs in beans.. :)

Those are truly WMD...

muman613
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Re: how many Jews are in the forum?
« Reply #241 on: August 05, 2008, 12:45:03 AM »

Hey q_q,

Watch out, haven't you heard about the Bushes Baked Beans conspiracy theory? The Bush family is up to their eyeballs in beans.. :)

Those are truly WMD...

muman613
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