What is your opinion about the new war in South Ossetia?

[Dr. Dan]

Did you see what I wrote? I disagreed with your characterization of me that "everything that is not JTF is Nazi" based on the fact that average people who are not a part of our movement do not act like Nazis.

NATO deliberately targeted civilians and civilian infrastructure (neighborhoods, businesses, freeways, etc) in an effort to bring Serbia to its knees. That is Nazilike behavior by anyone's standards.

I don't see average non-JTFers murdering people at will.

Actually bill Clinton authorized that...i guess he's a nazi then?

[syyuge]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/2362

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

What is the evidence that average Georgians support Stalin?

He murdered tens of thousands of Georgians too. He was not by any means pro-Georgia.

[P J C]

Bush said that there will be a U.N. resolution if necessary.

[syyuge]

What is the evidence that average Georgians support Stalin?

He murdered tens of thousands of Georgians too. He was not by any means pro-Georgia.

Albeit Stalin murdered tens of thousands of Georgians too, he was not by any means pro-Georgia. But he was considered a hero of WW2 and the topmost leader (Dictator) of USSR and an international leader. So in the eyes of hapless Georgians he was a national hero.

Mikhail Sakashvilli behaved as a Stalinist Fascist when he in a childish but most brazen manner directed his tanks, howitzers and rockets to fire fiercely at the city, thus killing 2000 civilians within no time.

When the Russians approached and retaliated, this coward turned back and ran away like Fascist Mussolini.

Any such behaviour may be O.K. for power hungry politicians, but the public at Tbilisi were honking their horns for hours when the Ossetian city was bombed.

I have no reason for any special sympathy with the Ossetians, but such foolish acts by Georgian President tantamount to religious infightings and lead to bolstering of the Muzzies there and everywhere else. USA must be remembering the old proverb that a Foolish friend is worse than a wise enemy.

Now at one stroke 2000 Georgian warriors have been removed from the War on Terror.   

     

[Gruzinit]

Bush said that there will be a U.N. resolution if necessary.

Great.We know that will solve the problem.

[syyuge]

Bush said that there will be a U.N. resolution if necessary.

Great.We know that will solve the problem.

Whosoever follows UNO gets ditched.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Mikhail Sakashvilli behaved as a Stalinist Fascist when he in a childish but most brazen manner directed his tanks, howitzers and rockets to fire fiercely at the city, thus killing 2000 civilians within no time.

According to Stalinist Russian propaganda sources.

I have no reason for any special sympathy with the Ossetians, but such foolish acts by Georgian President tantamount to religious infightings and lead to bolstering of the Muzzies there and everywhere else.

The Ossetians are not nice Christian people, but are pro-Russian Marxists. Don't forget that North Ossetia won independence from Georgia through a brutal terror war.

USA must be remembering the old proverb that a Foolish friend is worse than a wise enemy.

The enemy of your enemy may be your enemy as well. At the very least, all parties in this conflict are evil: certainly Russia, and also Turkey and NATO.

Now at one stroke 2000 Georgian warriors have been removed from the War on Terror.

We wouldn't need them or any other aid if Bush would stop caring more about "Muslim civilians" than American lives. He could have won this war in three weeks like his father did in Desert Storm in '91 if he wanted to.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Actually bill Clinton authorized that...i guess he's a nazi then?

Well, only Nazis commit genocide against nations for no reason at all.

[Gruzinit]

Let's hope they end this madness and start negotiating instead.

 Please, I sure hope so, it is as if a HUGE bear is eating a little bunny rabbit, this is sad.

The bunny rabbit has stolen lots of territories from their neighboring countries thanks to their dictator Joseph Stalin.
But I'm not surprised that most JTFers support the fascist Stalinist Georgia in this conflict, after all Sahakashvili is Bush's puppet there. Watch BBC and EuroNews they are more objective about this than CNN and FOX.

South Ossetia was part of Georgia before Stalin.

Javakh was Armenian and still is populated by Armenians, whys should it be part of fascist Georgia?
They are closing down Armenian schools and churches and behaving like muslim beasts.
Stalin hated us and gave our territories to Georgians and Turks.

I know nothing about Javakh so no comment about that. From what I hear by Georgian Jews in Israel, Georgians are tolerant and peaceful deleted. Unfortunately many of them still regard Stalin as a Georgian Hero. That is disgusting but doesn't makes them fascists, for example, Gengis Khan is the national hero of Mongolia yet the modern Mongols are peaceful people.

Like I said South Ossetia had been part of Georgia since before the Ossetian came to the region. If The Ossetians want an independent country then they should have North Ossetia first.

Well you don't know about Javakhk then it's pointless to argue.
A country that steals other's territories and the closes their schools and churches cannot have my sympathy.

So you think because of Stalin's actions Georgians should suffer. That's similar to arguements made by the White Army that because Marx and Trotsky were Jews, Bolshevism was a jewish invention which all Jews must be punished.

And lest we forget, Georgia declared independence in 1918 after a century under Tsarist control. In 1921, the Bolsheviks, alongside the Turks invaded Georgia. By 1924,after three years of bloody conflict, the Russians were victorious and created Transcaucasian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic, which combined the territories of Georgia with Armenia and Azerbaijan (which the USSR had captuered in 1920). Thsi was all done under Lenin leadership, as Stalin would not assume power until 1927.

And let's not forget the Soviets contempt for the concepts of nationalism and the nation-state, which they saw as distractions towards the issue of class warfare. Thus the Sovietization of all institutions and communities in the Republics was undertaken as a method to preserve their polyglot empire.

Putin needs South Ossetia to block western influence in the caucuses. He was furious because in 2004 Saakashvili defeated his hand-picked candidate, a man who took oders not from Tblisi, but from the Kremlin.

Russian troops have been stationed in S.O. and Abkhazia for months,training and providing weapons for a conflict they full anticipated and wanted. In the previous months, they shot down a Georgian spy plane while conducting their own and even dropping missles (which luckily did not go off). As for Russia's "peacekeepers", they're about as helpful as the U.N. peacekeepers in Lebanon.

This low-level conflict came to a climax when several Georgian policemen were killed by a roadside bomb planted by S.O. seperatists, knowing they would respond. Putin has been goading Georgia to make the first move, eized the oppurtunity he has been waitng years to order.

[Dr. Dan]

Actually bill Clinton authorized that...i guess he's a nazi then?

Well, only Nazis commit genocide against nations for no reason at all.

No Nazis are Germans and white nationalists who either commit or desire to comitt genocide against a specific group of people...reason or no reason.  NATO is not a nazi alliance.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Dr. Dan, I think Chaim would beg to differ on this. Anybody who wants to murder innocent ethnicities or religious groups, especially Jews, is a Nazi.

Are you saying that Al Sharpton is not a Nazi because he is not a White Nationalist?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Gruzinit is correct here. IslamisCancer, you are a valued member who is very often correct on things and contributes tremendously to this forum, but you are thinking here as an Armenian above all else. Armenians have certainly suffered from tremendous genocide and suffering through the years (yimach schmo to the Turks), but they are not innocent either. Most Armenians today, unfortunately, are anti-Semites. There were even Armenian PLO members at one time (such as Hagopian, who took part in the Black September attack at the Munich Olympics). The Armenians in Israel are constantly siding with the Arabs, accusing the IDF of invading their churches and the like. Just because Armenians are victims does not mean that they have clean hands.

I believe Georgia is much less anti-Semitic than Armenians are, and is closer to the Serbs in that regard.

Anyhow, enough of this distraction. Nazi Russia, the mother of all pogroms and the nation that more than once attempted a second Shoah--a colossus of a Babylon that is the ally of Muslim Nazi Iran, Muslim Nazi Syria, Muslim Nazi Hezbollah, and Nazi North Korea and Nazi China, and its Muslim ally Abkhazia--has long used its North and South Ossetian proxy terrorists to attack tiny Georgia in much the same way that evil Western powers have used the Albanian Muslim Nazis to attack tiny Serbia and the Tamil Muslim Nazis to attack tiny Sri Lanka. Aside from a shift in the major powers involved, there is no difference between the Georgians, Serbs, Israelis, and Sinhalese.

Nobody here is defending the Nazis of NATO. But the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. In the end, Russia will crush everybody under its iron fist in its mad desire to rebuild the old Soviet Union, now that it has tons of oil wealth and has Europe by the cojones because of energy.

[Gruzinit]

Russia is now sending its troops into Georgia proper? If this issue was solely about "protecting" South Ossetia, then they had already achieved their military objectives.

The main reason behind this war was to fufill their political objective, oust Saakashvili and reinstate some puppet government like they had in the early years after the disintegration of the Soviet Union, and prevent any Western influence into the Caucuses.

[Dr. Dan]

Dr. Dan, I think Chaim would beg to differ on this. Anybody who wants to murder innocent ethnicities or religious groups, especially Jews, is a Nazi.

Are you saying that Al Sharpton is not a Nazi because he is not a White Nationalist?

Al sharpton acts like a Nazi and talks like a nazi but is nothing more than a big fat black racist!

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Anyone who wants to murder people solely because of their race, ethnicity, or religion is a Nazi. They do not have to have formal membership in a Nazi group.

[muman613]

Anyone who wants to murder people solely because of their race, ethnicity, or religion is a Nazi. They do not have to have formal membership in a Nazi group.

CF,

Is this a formal definition, or your own personal definition. I have not heard this before. Maybe a very general definition of a Nazi fits your definition, but there are others who also fit that definition. I try to use the term to only describe those qualities in a person who is German or who adores the cult of Adolph Zitler {may his name be squashed} . Calling people Nazi is not very good because it minimizes the atrocities the nazi regime caused in this world. There are still people who espouse the hateful, racist, antisemitic ideals of Nazis today. These are our enemies.

muman613

[t_h_j]

Russia is now sending its troops into Georgia proper? If this issue was solely about "protecting" South Ossetia, then they had already achieved their military objectives.

The main reason behind this war was to fufill their political objective, oust Saakashvili and reinstate some puppet government like they had in the early years after the disintegration of the Soviet Union, and prevent any Western influence into the Caucuses.

they haven't, at least not yet.

[t_h_j]

Let's hope they end this madness and start negotiating instead.

 Please, I sure hope so, it is as if a HUGE bear is eating a little bunny rabbit, this is sad.

The bunny rabbit has stolen lots of territories from their neighboring countries thanks to their dictator Joseph Stalin.
But I'm not surprised that most JTFers support the fascist Stalinist Georgia in this conflict, after all Sahakashvili is Bush's puppet there. Watch BBC and EuroNews they are more objective about this than CNN and FOX.

South Ossetia was part of Georgia before Stalin.

Javakh was Armenian and still is populated by Armenians, whys should it be part of fascist Georgia?
They are closing down Armenian schools and churches and behaving like muslim beasts.
Stalin hated us and gave our territories to Georgians and Turks.

I know nothing about Javakh so no comment about that. From what I hear by Georgian Jews in Israel, Georgians are tolerant and peaceful deleted. Unfortunately many of them still regard Stalin as a Georgian Hero. That is disgusting but doesn't makes them fascists, for example, Gengis Khan is the national hero of Mongolia yet the modern Mongols are peaceful people.

Like I said South Ossetia had been part of Georgia since before the Ossetian came to the region. If The Ossetians want an independent country then they should have North Ossetia first.

Well you don't know about Javakhk then it's pointless to argue.
A country that steals other's territories and the closes their schools and churches cannot have my sympathy.

So you think because of Stalin's actions Georgians should suffer. That's similar to arguements made by the White Army that because Marx and Trotsky were Jews, Bolshevism was a jewish invention which all Jews must be punished.

And lest we forget, Georgia declared independence in 1918 after a century under Tsarist control. In 1921, the Bolsheviks, alongside the Turks invaded Georgia. By 1924,after three years of bloody conflict, the Russians were victorious and created Transcaucasian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic, which combined the territories of Georgia with Armenia and Azerbaijan (which the USSR had captuered in 1920). Thsi was all done under Lenin leadership, as Stalin would not assume power until 1927.

And let's not forget the Soviets contempt for the concepts of nationalism and the nation-state, which they saw as distractions towards the issue of class warfare. Thus the Sovietization of all institutions and communities in the Republics was undertaken as a method to preserve their polyglot empire.

Putin needs South Ossetia to block western influence in the caucuses. He was furious because in 2004 Saakashvili defeated his hand-picked candidate, a man who took oders not from Tblisi, but from the Kremlin.

Russian troops have been stationed in S.O. and Abkhazia for months,training and providing weapons for a conflict they full anticipated and wanted. In the previous months, they shot down a Georgian spy plane while conducting their own and even dropping missles (which luckily did not go off). As for Russia's "peacekeepers", they're about as helpful as the U.N. peacekeepers in Lebanon.

This low-level conflict came to a climax when several Georgian policemen were killed by a roadside bomb planted by S.O. seperatists, knowing they would respond. Putin has been goading Georgia to make the first move, eized the oppurtunity he has been waitng years to order.

seems the georgian propaganda machine has had some success after all...

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Jewish, iraq-war veteran, proponent of Medinat Yehudah warns Jewish patriots of the folly of abkhazia

http://virtualjudah.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/abkhazia-a-cautionary-tale/

[Scriabin]

I try to use the term to only describe those qualities in a person who is German.

muman613

Pheasant is German.

So was the Greatest Man who ever lived, Ludwig van Beethoven.

[muman613]

I try to use the term to only describe those qualities in a person who is German.

muman613

Pheasant is German.

So was the Greatest Man who ever lived, Ludwig van Beethoven.

Scriabin,

I did not say ALL GERMANs are Nazis. But when a German espouses those hateful rhetorics, then I will call them Nazis, along with the neo-Nazis who adore the Zitler.

I hope you realize that and were not trying to imply that I was saying it about all Germans. As a matter of fact my step-Dad is of German ancestry.

muman613

[Gruzinit]

seems the georgian propaganda machine has had some success after all...

I don't promote propaganda. I'm merely state the facts. And in case you haven't watched the new, the Russians are currently bombing Tblisi, Georgia's capital, and have refused to recognize Georgia's reuest for a cease-fire.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080811/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_south_ossetia

[t_h_j]

seems the georgian propaganda machine has had some success after all...

I don't promote propaganda. I'm merely state the facts. And in case you haven't watched the new, the Russians are currently bombing Tblisi, Georgia's capital, and have refused to recognize Georgia's reuest for a cease-fire.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080811/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_south_ossetia

yes, they are.  I'm surprised you think georgia just spontaneously attacked S. ossetia.  Their attack took weeks to prepare.  Sakashvilli has been building up the Georgian military for years.

[Gruzinit]

seems the georgian propaganda machine has had some success after all...

I don't promote propaganda. I'm merely state the facts. And in case you haven't watched the new, the Russians are currently bombing Tblisi, Georgia's capital, and have refused to recognize Georgia's reuest for a cease-fire.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080811/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_south_ossetia

yes, they are.  I'm surprised you think georgia just spontaneously attacked S. ossetia.  Their attack took weeks to prepare.  Sakashvilli has been building up the Georgian military for years.

Neither was Russia, there armies (or so-called peacekeepers) have been in S.O. and Abkhazia for months .

Saakashvili's openly campaigned on a platform to get back both territories, but if he expects NATO or the E.U. for assistance he is sorely mistaken. There so-called support will consist mainly of empty suiting talking, but doing nothing.

Georgia's action are similar to those of Serbia in the 1990's – it is attempting to regain control over historical territory into which a neighboring ethnic group had migrated en masse.

The tragic irony and hypocrisy is that the United States and NATO betrayed and bombed Serbia, because we had a President who created a "wag the dog" war to save his image and get his sexual scandals out of the headlines. Clinton collaborated with Iran to secretly supplied Bosnia's mujahidin, including al-Qa'ida, by funneling millions of dollars of weapons and supplies. If you don't believe me, I suggest you read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Unholy-Terror-Bosnia-Al-Qaida-Global/dp/product-description/0760330034

Russia, the so-called defender of Pan-Slavism now openly helps Iran, the same country that helped train the Bosnian mujahidin, in which Arab Muslims joined Bosnian Muslims in the Balkans with the sole purpose of slaugthering Serbs and creating a Muslim nation in the heart of Europe. Russia is solely concerned with it's own interests, pure and simple.