Was Stalin Georgian ?

[Manch]

I take an exception to Chaim's stateme on “Ask JTF” about Georgia, blaming Georgia for Stalin. Stalin was as much Georgian as Trotskyi was Jewish. Stalin, among other atrocities, in 1920s, murdered almost all of Georgian nobility and intelligentsia.

I personally knew quite a few Georgians - they are the best of friends one can hope for. Georgians are very nice, noble and hospitable people. Jews never were persecuted by Georgians, were able to preserve our Jewish identity (one of the rarest examples in USSR), and those living in Israel still have very strong ties to Georgia. In fact, one of the rarest places where Jews really did not feel anti-Semitism in the Russian imperia and then Soviet Union was Georgia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_Jews

I think president Saakashvili is 100% correct in his orientation on the West and is completely in his mandate in preserving territorial integrity of his beautiful country. I think that JTF should make a strong indication of support for Georgia and condemn Russian imperialism.

Long live Georgia! 

[Ulli]

The Georgian people are nice people, I agree.

But Saakashvili is a criminal. He is responsible for thousands of deaths, because he escalated this connflict. Why he doesn't let the things in South Ossetia like they are? Why is he unable to accept that his country has to make compromises with Russia on it's way to western orientation?

He tries to involve the USA and the EU in his personal campaign to conquer South Ossetia. His statements with the EU flag in the background are silly. He thought he can fight his war with press releases and interviews. But war is bloody reality not a pr-campaign, like he learned in some seminars of the Soros-foundation.

Thank God, the American gouvernment didn't help him. This would have led to tens of thousands of deaths.

The best thing in the moment would be, if the war will stop quickly and the things will be like before the war.

[GodGunsAndGlory]

Stalin was a atheist and he attacked Georgians for being Orthodox Christians.

The country someone was born in doesn't define them.

[Gruzinit]

Stalin was a atheist and he attacked Georgians for being Orthodox Christians.

The country someone was born in doesn't define them.

Glad to see some common sense rules on the forum. If we held all people to that standard, the leaders of Israel should be included, because their policies are causing Israel to become a ghetto, and making it easier for our enemies to destroy us.

[spiritus_persona]

Stalin was a atheist and he attacked Georgians for being Orthodox Christians.

The country someone was born in doesn't define them.

That's right.  I mean I don't blame Austria for Hitler or anything like that.  That's just stupid.  The fact is that Stalin was poisoned by a wicked ideal that didn't discriminate against nationality.  That is what Marxism does to people.

[t_h_j]

I take an exception to Chaim's stateme on “Ask JTF” about Georgia, blaming Georgia for Stalin. Stalin was as much Georgian as Trotskyi was Jewish. Stalin, among other atrocities, in 1920s, murdered almost all of Georgian nobility and intelligentsia.

I personally knew quite a few Georgians - they are the best of friends one can hope for. Georgians are very nice, noble and hospitable people. Jews never were persecuted by Georgians, were able to preserve our Jewish identity (one of the rarest examples in USSR), and those living in Israel still have very strong ties to Georgia. In fact, one of the rarest places where Jews really did not feel anti-Semitism in the Russian imperia and then Soviet Union was Georgia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_Jews

I think president Saakashvili is 100% correct in his orientation on the West and is completely in his mandate in preserving territorial integrity of his beautiful country. I think that JTF should make a strong indication of support for Georgia and condemn Russian imperialism.

Long live Georgia! 

Trotsky was jewish.  His real name was "Lev Davidovich Bronstein" Stalin's real name was Iosef Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili, which is a very Georgian name.

[Manch]

Trotsky was jewish.  His real name was "Lev Davidovich Bronstein" Stalin's real name was Iosef Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili, which is a very Georgian name.

You missed my point

[Ultra Requete]

I realy hate Moscowy imperialism and their soviet style brutish policy against her unfortunate neighbours and feel sorry for Georgian nation as for Osetians but they're all pawns in strugle beetwen Russian And American oil tycoons:

Is it about separatism? Protecting Russian passport holders? A brute expression of power? No, Russia's invasion of Georgia is mostly about seizing control of the only energy conduit threatening their monopoly of supply from Central Asia to Europe - according to this piece from the Globe and Mail, which concludes that "rewarding its transgression by acceding to the Kremlin's plans for an energy monopoly in Europe would encourage even worse behaviour in the future."

To what extent is this terrible war one of private economic gain for the gazoviki?

Georgia is a crucial transit point for oil and gas. Three major pipelines connecting energy sources in the Caucasus and Central Asia to European markets pass through its territory. One of these, the South Caucasus pipeline, is an important part of the plan for the Nabucco pipeline to Austria, which would deliver natural gas directly to the European Union, bypassing Russia entirely, if built.
The Russian government, which controls Gazprom, the world's largest gas company, has tried frantically to cajole its European customers into ignoring Nabucco and investing instead in its own new pipelines.

Continue reading "The Pipeline War" »

http://www.robertamsterdam.com/2008/08/the_pipeline_war.htm

Sakashwili is idiot indeed the west as history showed is not reliable ally, EU is good at talking as always and Americans are maybe wiling to die for oil fields but not for oil lines.

[IslamIsCancer]

Yes, and Saakashvili is Stalin junior, may he die.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Yes, and Saakashvili is Stalin junior, may he die.

You are positively insane.

[IslamIsCancer]

Yes, and Saakashvili is Stalin junior, may he die.

You are positively insane.

Yeah for not wishing that all Christian Ossetians die just because they are Russian citizens.

[Gruzinit]

Yes, and Saakashvili is Stalin junior, may he die.

You are positively insane.

Yeah for not wishing that all Christian Ossetians die just because they are Russian citizens.

Have you ever heard of being loyal to a fault?

[Yonathan Ben Yakov]

Stalin Yamech Shemo was Georgian his last name was Jugashivlie but he did not believe in G-d

[Manch]

Yes, and Saakashvili is Stalin junior, may he die.

What's wrong with you? How is a pro-western, pro-democracy, anti-corruption, pro-Israel elected president of the Christian, pro-Israel, pro-American, pro-Jewish nation can be compared to the Joseph Stalin?!    Based on what?!

I would understand if you support Russia and favor it over Georgia - there are legitimate point of disagreements. But your unsubstantiated rants are insane! 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

So the Georgians aren't Christians in your eyes?

[Americanhero1]

Let russia Burn

[Manch]

So the Georgians aren't Christians in your eyes?

Who are you asking? Georgians are Christians since 327, one of the earliest people to embrace Christianity, much before Europe did.

[Hail Columbia]

Joseph Stalin was as much Georgian as Victor Alksnis was Latvian.