Russia blames Georgia war on the Jews

[Shamgar]

of course it's our fault...we cause cancer and pollution and islamic hatred and the koran... 

I like you Dr Dan.   

[White Israelite]

C.F., it's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness, have you ever heard of that phrase?

Michael Wiener is a male prostitute and the worst kind of self-hating Jew. He rips off Chaim's material but refuses to let him on his program. He accused Israel of committing atrocities against Lebanon, which is unforgivable. He flipflopped many, many times on basic issues like illegal immigration, at one time praising masses and masses of Mexicans invading our country because supposedly they would be a counterbalance to Muslim Nazis, and he even says that most Muslim Nazis are good people. Don't forget that he boasts frequently of eating non-kosher food on the air.

And this isn't even touching the issue of Michael Faggot's homosexual conduct.

Wiener is a fecal stain on the undergarment of humanity and the world would be better off without this phony loser. Certainly conservatives would be.

Where is the evidence that he is a faggot? I don't think slander is a good thing unless you have the facts to back it.

[Taylor]

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Where is the evidence that he is a faggot? I don't think slander is a good thing unless you have the facts to back it.
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Uh it seems implied in this article from Salon http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/03/05/savage/

[muman613]

Where is the evidence that he is a faggot? I don't think slander is a good thing unless you have the facts to back it.
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Uh it seems implied in this article from Salon http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/03/05/savage/

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Well, it is considered Lashon Hara regardless. And an implication is not any reason to make the blanket claim that he is. A person is considered innocent unless there are two witnesses. I have no idea whether he is or not and can care less.

muman613

[nopeaceforland]

Georgians are not Soviets.

My typo sorry, I quickly typed.

[White Israelite]

Where is the evidence that he is a faggot? I don't think slander is a good thing unless you have the facts to back it.

Uh it seems implied in this article from Salon http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/03/05/savage/

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Well, it is considered Lashon Hara regardless. And an implication is not any reason to make the blanket claim that he is. A person is considered innocent unless there are two witnesses. I have no idea whether he is or not and can care less.

muman613

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What about innocent until proven guilty?

[MarZutra]

Are Georgians Christians, Communists or Mohammadans?

Below the article basically reads;

Russia bombed near Tbilisi, Georgia, an Israeli factory for upgrading and improving jet fighters for the Georgian army.  There were no casualties.  Russia threatened to punish anyone who assisted, armed or trained the Georgian army.

http://www.nfc.co.il/Archive/001-D-170258-00.html?tag=21-40-23

 אין נפגעים  רוסיה איימה להעניש את מי שסייע
 לחימוש ואימון הצבא הגאורגי  צבא רוסיה ממשיך במתקפת הנגד  נשיא גאורגיה הכריז על הפסקת אש חד-צדדית ▪  ▪  ▪רוסיה העבירה אחה"צ (א', 10.8.08) מסר חד לישראל כשמטוס שלה הפציץ מפעל שבו משדרגים מומחים ישראלים מטוסי קרב עבור הצבא הגאורגי. לא היו נפגעים.

המטוס הרוסי הפציץ מסלולים בתוך שטח המפעל, הסמוך לבירת גאורגיה טיביליסי. במפעל מתנהל פרויקט השבחת מטוסי ה-SU-25 עבור הצבא הגאורגי. חברת אלביט אחראית על שדרוג המטוסים וציודם במערכות ניווט ושיגור של נשק.

רוסיה מאיימת להעניש

ישראל הודיעה היום על כוונתה להפסיק את הסיוע הצבאי לגאורגיה. שר החוץ הרוסי, סרגיי לברוב, איים בשבת, כי ארצו תעניש את כל מי שסייע לחימוש ואימון הכוחות הגאורגים.

ישראל חוששת כי סוריה הזועמת תמכור מערכות נ"מ מתקדמות לסוריה ולאירן.

הרוסים ממשיכים במתקפת הנגד

נשיא גרוזיה, מיכאיל סאאקשווילי, הודיע על נסיגת כל כוחות צבא גאורגיה שפלשו לפני ימים אחדים למחוז דרום אוסטיה. הוא הכריז כי הורה לכוחות הצבא לנצור את האש.

הרוסים טוענים כי חלק מכוחות צבא גאורגיה עדיין נלחמים ולכן הם ממשיכים במתקפת הנגד שלהם שגורמת אבדות כבדות לחיילים הגאורגים.

כוחות שריון רוסיים החלו להתקדם מדרום אוסטיה לעבר העיר גורי. כוחות צי ונחתים רוסיים הוצבו בים השחור מול חופי גאורגיה ואבחזיה, והטילו עליהם מצור ימי.

[Taylor]

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Well, it is considered Lashon Hara regardless. And an implication is not any reason to make the blanket claim that he is. A person is considered innocent unless there are two witnesses. I have no idea whether he is or not and can care less.

muman613

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Hey Muman how was your fast? I was just showing a place where something was implied. I never claimed anything. Is that still Lushon Hara.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Where is the evidence that he is a faggot? I don't think slander is a good thing unless you have the facts to back it.

Did you see my link?

[spiritus_persona]

This whole phony war is just stupid.  I have nothing to say about anything that goes on over there.  All I know is that neither side is willing to give up.

[P J C]

They always find a way to blame the jew.

[muman613]

Well, it is considered Lashon Hara regardless. And an implication is not any reason to make the blanket claim that he is. A person is considered innocent unless there are two witnesses. I have no idea whether he is or not and can care less.

muman613

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Hey Muman how was your fast? I was just showing a place where something was implied. I never claimed anything. Is that still Lushon Hara.
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Hey avid,

My fast was not so bad. Didnt get hungry, but got a bit thirsty...

I am not one to judge whether it is... Technically anyone who spreads the story is guilty of it...

It is very hard to keep clean from this aveirah. I think we are all a little caught up in relating stories which reflect badly on our brothers. But it is true that there is a level where if I person can be considered an EVIL ONE, then it is ok to say things about them.

I think the real question becomes what does a person have to do to be considered a RASHA? Maybe someone with a little more halachic knowledge could comment on what constitutes an EVIL ONE.

Have a good evening,
muman613

[muman613]

My comment on the issue:

It is not surprising that the Jews will be blamed for the war. We are blamed for everything anyway. I would not put it past the Russians to try to use this to bolster antisemitism in Russia. I agree with those who advise Russian Jewery to make Aliyah. But we know that there are problems with Russians making aliyah to Israel. So many false Jews get in and they are spreading neo-Nazism in Israel. This is a tough time to be a real Jew in Russia.

muman613

[DownwithIslam]

Michael Weiner was supporting Russia tonight. I listened to him on my drive home as I have been in the car alot and I am very busy. That is also why I have been less active, I simply don't have enough time to do what I need to do. It's crazy.
Michael weiner was though to have had homosexual encounters during his earlier days. This fraud is no different from his fellow so called conservatives.

[MarZutra]

Is Georgia a Muslim country or is it a Russian Orthodox Christian country?  I don't know much on this subject but I do know that apparently the Israeli Establisment is using the IDF to train and aid Georgia via weaponry..

[Taylor]

Is Georgia a Muslim country or is it a Russian Orthodox Christian country?  I don't know much on this subject but I do know that apparently the Israeli Establisment is using the IDF to train and aid Georgia via weaponry..

Georgia is not a muslim country.

[Manch]

Is Georgia a Muslim country or is it a Russian Orthodox Christian country?  I don't know much on this subject but I do know that apparently the Israeli Establisment is using the IDF to train and aid Georgia via weaponry..

Georgian were Christians well before Russians - by 327 Georgia has completed its conversion. Georgians practice Eastern Orthodox branch of Christianity. Needless to say, Georgia's proximity to the epicenter of islam has yielded tremendous suffering and strifes for Georgian people.

The territory of Abkhazia and Osetia always belonged to Georgia, they are as Georgians as Kosovo is Serbian and as Judea is Jewish. We must support Georgians in their struggle against Russian antiSemities. Georgia was acting in its legal boundaries. Medvedev, the new Russian president just needed a new war to establish himself, similar to Putin's war against Chechen's animals. Only this time, Russia is acting against our natural allies.

[Ultra Requete]

Georgia is ortodox but not Russian and Israel has along history of training and suplieing armed forces of countries seen as outcasts by both western leftist "public opinion" and corporate "elites" Katanga, South Africa or Singapure. Unfortunetly olmert the coward is surrendering now to Russian pressure:
http://en.ce.cn/World/Middleeast/200808/11/t20080811_16453461.shtml
Of course Putin will stop arming of Iran, Syria and hezbollah too.
If you want to learn about some backround and real couses for this war read this: http://www.robertamsterdam.com/

[Manch]

What pisses me off is WHY, such talented, noble people as Georgians could not prepare much better for the Russian onslaught?! Russian acted predictably. They could have taken many a point from Hezbollah and from Israeli advisors. They could have put up a much better resistance to shake Russian confidence which, I doubt, would sustain that many casualties. Georgians were always famious for their elan.
All in all, I hope Saakashvili will learn his lesson and build a formidable miliatry and a healthy economy - Georgians are more than capable of that.

[MarZutra]

Baruch HaShem....  They are not again supporting the Muslims like they've done so often in the past...

[AsheDina]

They always find a way to blame the jew.

  Yep- economic woes- blame Jews. ALWAYS. It must be in the "hate-the-jew club" M.O.

[t_h_j]

What pisses me off is WHY, such talented, noble people as Georgians could not prepare much better for the Russian onslaught?! Russian acted predictably. They could have taken many a point from Hezbollah and from Israeli advisors. They could have put up a much better resistance to shake Russian confidence which, I doubt, would sustain that many casualties. Georgians were always famious for their elan.
All in all, I hope Saakashvili will learn his lesson and build a formidable miliatry and a healthy economy - Georgians are more than capable of that.

they have a 1 billion dollar defence budget, that is enormous for a country that size.  Money was not a problem.

[AsheDina]

What pisses me off is WHY, such talented, noble people as Georgians could not prepare much better for the Russian onslaught?! Russian acted predictably. They could have taken many a point from Hezbollah and from Israeli advisors. They could have put up a much better resistance to shake Russian confidence which, I doubt, would sustain that many casualties. Georgians were always famious for their elan.
All in all, I hope Saakashvili will learn his lesson and build a formidable miliatry and a healthy economy - Georgians are more than capable of that.

they have a 1 billion dollar defence budget, that is enormous for a country that size.  Money was not a problem.

  Hi THJ  Glad your still here.

[MarZutra]

If the Georgians are Greek Orthodox Christians, they are in a bind.  Mohammadans to the South and Commies to the North.  You know, last evening's Savage had a good show on it.  I didn't catch this evenings...

[Taylor]

If the Georgians are Greek Orthodox Christians, they are in a bind.  Mohammadans to the South and Commies to the North.  You know, last evening's Savage had a good show on it.  I didn't catch this evenings...

Savage is a nut case. Listen to Mark Levin http://marklevinshow.com/ He is on at the same time. He also gives out his show as a podcast for free.