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How important is going to Temple to you?
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: takebackourtemple on September 08, 2008, 12:21:42 AM ---
Anyway attending Schul in Sabbat is out of the question from my part, at most I might go in the high holidays.
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--- Quote --- I know Q_Q_ and Tzvi won't like what I have to say and I'm not advocating that people drive, but go to one where most of the members do.
Go to a Friday night service instead of a Saturday morning one and then stay for the meal afterwards. You will have interesting conversations with people at the dinner table. If you choose the right congregation, this will not be boring and will serve as a step towards becoming more familiar with the services.
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Are you implying that people who walk to shul won't make for interesting conversation?
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: takebackourtemple on September 08, 2008, 12:21:42 AM --- I know Q_Q_ and Tzvi won't like what I have to say and I'm not advocating that people drive, but go to one where most of the members do.
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You are correct and I will state why-. The reason why this is NOT a good place to go to is because then the chances are that they dont have 10 Jewish men who keep Shabb-t, therefore it is NOT a minyan. Why would anyone want to be at such a place. Anyway a shul is a Holy place to talk to G-d. One can talk to G-d anywhere (except unclean places of-course), but in a shul and with a Minyan the prayers are more and faster accepted, + one can answer Amen to blessings (we should say at least 90 Amens a day to blessings and make 100 blessings a day).
Also the talk about Minyan being a social thing- it is NOT for social reasons. Sure you can say hi, bye, maybe meet someone new, etc. But it is absolutly forbidden to talk in shul, expecially during prayers. And if one cannot control him/herself then they should just not come to shul- just pray at home. -The Rambam says that one who talks in shul, should be asked to leave, and if he doesn't leave, you can even force him to (even physically if it gets to it).
muman613:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on September 08, 2008, 06:29:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: takebackourtemple on September 08, 2008, 12:21:42 AM --- I know Q_Q_ and Tzvi won't like what I have to say and I'm not advocating that people drive, but go to one where most of the members do.
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You are correct and I will state why-. The reason why this is NOT a good place to go to is because then the chances are that they dont have 10 Jewish men who keep Shabbat, therefore it is NOT a minyan. Why would anyone want to be at such a place. Anyway a shul is a Holy place to talk to G-d. One can talk to G-d anywhere (except unclean places of-course), but in a shul and with a Minyan the prayers are more and faster accepted, + one can answer Amen to blessings (we should say at least 90 Amens a day to blessings and make 100 blessings a day).
Also the talk about Minyan being a social thing- it is NOT for social reasons. Sure you can say hi, bye, maybe meet someone new, etc. But it is absolutly forbidden to talk in shul, expecially during prayers. And if one cannot control him/herself then they should just not come to shul- just pray at home. -The Rambam says that one who talks in shul, should be asked to leave, and if he doesn't leave, you can even force him to (even physically if it gets to it).
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Tzvi,
I will just say once again that the issue, from my perspective, is not that shul is a place for socializing. It is rather a place to be a part of the Jewish community. The purpose of minyan is because a prayer by a community, for a community, is heard by Hashem and given more power than a prayer by an individual. When praying for the recovery of health {Refuah Shlemah} it is always more desirable to be in a minyan. I agree that is is wrong, and very very wrong, to talk in shul during any of the prayer service.
muman613
takebackourtemple:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on September 08, 2008, 06:28:44 PM ---Are you implying that people who walk to shul won't make for interesting conversation?
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That is not my point. I'm not advocating breaking the laws of shabbat either, but understand that people do. I am making suggestions though based on what has worked in my case.
The point I'm trying to make is that it is important to fit in as part of the congregation and not as an outsider who just sits there. A newbie may not enjoy a black hat congregation enough to want to go as much as possible. I have nothing against black hat congregations, besides not being crazy about the hats. I have gone to them periodically. People are always nice there and always invite me to meal, however, they live a lifestyle which is different from mine and I am always an outsider.
When I go to my congregation, I thank Hashem every time I get there for providing such a wonderful place. Shabbat has become something I look forward to and this has only started since I found my congregation.
takebackourtemple:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on September 08, 2008, 06:29:30 PM ---The reason why this is NOT a good place to go to is because then the chances are that they dont have 10 Jewish men who keep Shabbat, therefore it is NOT a minyan.
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No matter what the congregation is, this a great reason to go. By going, you might be the 10th person. This may mean completing a Minyan for nine people who really need it. Maybe someone needs to say Kaddish. You have no clue how many times I have made sure I was there so the congregation could have a Minyan.
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