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takebackourtemple:
One last response in a row.
Another suggestion that I have for a Newbie is to prepare or do something. Things I have prepared and done include.
1. Doing my own Kiddush, which they let me do every week now.
2. Preparing a Dvar Torah.
3. Reading a Torah Passage.
4. Reading an Aliya.
5. Leading a song.
6. Doing Havdalah.
By contributing to the services, you feel closer to them.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: takebackourtemple on September 08, 2008, 08:36:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on September 08, 2008, 06:29:30 PM ---The reason why this is NOT a good place to go to is because then the chances are that they dont have 10 Jewish men who keep Shabbat, therefore it is NOT a minyan.
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No matter what the congregation is, this a great reason to go. By going, you might be the 10th person. This may mean completing a Minyan for nine people who really need it. Maybe someone needs to say Kaddish. You have no clue how many times I have made sure I was there so the congregation could have a Minyan.
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I dont think that you understood me correctly. I was saying what the Shulhan Aruch (and I heard Rabbi's say) that one who is not Shomer Shabb-t is not and cannot be counted as part of the minyan, SOO if you have 6 men who are Shomer Shabb-t, 2 non-shomer Shabb-t (at least knowingly) and then you come to be the tenth, it is Not a real minyan and then it would be 6 + you(assuming the person is also Shomer Shabb-t)= 7, and not 10. It could also be a Bracha Levatallah (a Blessing said in vain) which is also a sin. So in this case it would have been better praying at home.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
Also your PM to me (Im sharing it becuase I know that you would not mind- its nothing personal, etc.)
"You mentioned that a Minyan is not a great place to go it there is a risk of not having 10 people."
I did not say that. If their is a risk of having or not having, then it is good to go. But like you suggested that one goes to pray with people who dont keep Shabb-t, then it is not good (if they dont have 10 Shomer Shabb-t men).
takebackourtemple:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on September 08, 2008, 09:42:28 PM --- I dont think that you understood me correctly. I was saying what the Shulhan Aruch (and I heard Rabbi's say) that one who is not Shomer Shabbat is not and cannot be counted as part of the minyan.
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This is the first I'm hearing of this. This will be my question for Chaim this week. To the best of my understanding the only two requirements are to be Jewish and to be bar mitzvad. I know that I have been part of Minyans where Jews without much identity just stand there and they still count. The only thing that gets confusing in my congregation is that we have members who are going through the conversion process that don't count. We had nine one time, but many people thought he was the tenth and said the prayers that they wouldn't have if they knew. I wouldn't say their prayers were in vain, because they were recited per the shema with all their heart and all their soul.
takebackourtemple:
I asked several Rabbis and they all said that the Jews count. I have never been to any congregation that did not count me or anyone else because we were not Shomer Shabbat. Maybe this is a Satmar or Nazi Karta custom.
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