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Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
I heard it said both by Rabbi Mizrachi and by my Rabbi. Sorry, but it is written in the Shulhan Aruch. If you dont take my word for it then email Rabbi Mizrachi and ask if he said and believes it (and if he said that it is written in the Shulhan Aruch). - Whatever it is NOT a personal thing, im just telling you what I was told is the correct Halacha. And anyway IF their are people who dont know or dont follow the Halacha correctly you can ask then why they are not following it and which poskim argue with the Shulhan Aruch in this regard?
Also one more thing- one CAN be part of a Minyan, but is not counted as one of the ten men. Just like a shul that has 100 women and 9 Shomer Shabb-t men, is not a minyan,
q_q_:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on September 09, 2008, 07:01:53 PM ---I heard it said both by Rabbi Mizrachi and by my Rabbi. Sorry, but it is written in the Shulhan Aruch. If you dont take my word for it then email Rabbi Mizrachi and ask if he said and believes it (and if he said that it is written in the Shulhan Aruch). - Whatever it is NOT a personal thing, im just telling you what I was told is the correct Halacha. And anyway IF their are people who dont know or dont follow the Halacha correctly you can ask then why they are not following it and which poskim argue with the Shulhan Aruch in this regard?
Also one more thing- one CAN be part of a Minyan, but is not counted as one of the ten men. Just like a shul that has 100 women and 9 Shomer Shabbat men, is not a minyan,
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suppose a person tears toilet paper?
some may use a flannel on shabbat, squeezing it. but apparently that's forbidden.
in a season of bad hayfever, somebody might carry a tissue.
You can't know if people have kept shabbat. Some may be convinced that they have, but really have only done 90% not 100%!
Shamgar:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on September 09, 2008, 07:31:07 PM ---suppose a person tears toilet paper?
some may use a flannel on shabbat, squeezing it. but apparently that's forbidden.
in a season of bad hayfever, somebody might carry a tissue.
You can't know if people have kept shabbat. Some may be convinced that they have, but really have only done 90% not 100%!
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If toilet paper is out of the question, then I guess you can't use a bidet either?
takebackourtemple:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on September 09, 2008, 07:01:53 PM ---I heard it said both by Rabbi Mizrachi and by my Rabbi. Sorry, but it is written in the Shulhan Aruch. If you dont take my word for it then email Rabbi Mizrachi and ask if he said and believes it (and if he said that it is written in the Shulhan Aruch). - Whatever it is NOT a personal thing, im just telling you what I was told is the correct Halacha. And anyway IF their are people who dont know or dont follow the Halacha correctly you can ask then why they are not following it and which poskim argue with the Shulhan Aruch in this regard?
Also one more thing- one CAN be part of a Minyan, but is not counted as one of the ten men. Just like a shul that has 100 women and 9 Shomer Shabbat men, is not a minyan,
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What exactly does the Shulhan Aruch say? Do the Sephardim also follow this compilation? I don't know much about Rabbi Mizrachi. If you show me something, where either the Rav or the Rebbe support this Idea I will take it seriously than a Rabbi from Monsey.
I do understand that if Jews are impure by doing something such as not fasting on a fast day they are not supposed to receive Aliyas or perform certain Mitzvot, but being counted as part of the Minyan still holds.
The only exception that I can see against counting a bar Mitzvad Jew is if they are not willingly to be part of the Minyan. If they are forced to stand there but refuse to contribute to the prayers, they are not accepting of them. If someone just doesn't have the capacity to say his own prayers, but wants to, the leader of the Minyan can still say them for him even if misguided Jew just ate a Bacon Double Cheeseburger from McDonalds.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on September 09, 2008, 07:31:07 PM ---suppose a person tears toilet paper?
some may use a flannel on shabbat, squeezing it. but apparently that's forbidden.
in a season of bad hayfever, somebody might carry a tissue.
You can't know if people have kept shabbat. Some may be convinced that they have, but really have only done 90% not 100%!
--- End quote ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on September 09, 2008, 07:31:07 PM ---suppose a person tears toilet paper?
some may use a flannel on shabbat, squeezing it. but apparently that's forbidden.
in a season of bad hayfever, somebody might carry a tissue.
You can't know if people have kept shabbat. Some may be convinced that they have, but really have only done 90% not 100%!
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I think the Shulhan Aruch and Rabbis who have said it are talking about open desecrators. So in this case, I personally dont think it might be too appropriate to ask or assume that one breaks Shabb-t - knowingly , but if you see one driving on Shabb-t, or saying that they break Shabb-t, etc. then they are public Shabb-t desecrators.
With your question we can ask many others- for example- can you trust that Rabbi, who knows maybe he does a, b, c, or d behind closed doors. So I dont think it is relevent, and if it was then their NEVER would be a possibility of a court case in any manner, because who knows what a person might do privatly?
Also once again, if someone does not know the laws correctly, it definitly is bad, we should all do tishuva for things we might not have known at one time or another, but it is a different level of knowingly doing an avera, (and I know that some including me in the past, might think that - ooh well I'll keep myself ignorant and not be responsible, but that is still wrong).
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