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why do torah related posts get hidden or removed and censored????
Lisa:
I moved it because I just did not understand why you would put up a video showing the killing of Jews by the Nazis. Also, the writing superimposed on the images was not legible at all.
And finally, we Jews have our way of interpreting our Bible. The Christians may have a different view of that Isaiah verse. Now I'm not a Christian. But from what I understand, there is a verse in Isaiah which they use to show Christ as the messiah. We Jews obviously have a difference of opinion.
So with that being said, let me remind you all that the purpose of this forum is not to tell Christians here that their interpretation of that verse is wrong. There are many other forums where people can discuss the differences between Judaism and Christianity and why Jews don't believe as the Christians do. This is not one of those places.
MarZutra:
--- Quote from: Lisa on August 26, 2008, 07:21:23 PM ---I moved it because I just did not understand why you would put up a video showing the killing of Jews by the Nazis. Also, the writing superimposed on the images was not legible at all.
And finally, we Jews have our way of interpreting our Bible. The Christians may have a different view of that Isaiah verse. Now I'm not a Christian. But from what I understand, there is a verse in Isaiah which they use to show Christ as the messiah. We Jews obviously have a difference of opinion.
So with that being said, let me remind you all that the purpose of this forum is not to tell Christians here that their interpretation of that verse is wrong. There are many other forums where people can discuss the differences between Judaism and Christianity and why Jews don't believe as the Christians do. This is not one of those places.
--- End quote ---
Lisa, I believe you are speaking of Isaiah 7:14. The Christian re-translation from the Latin says "a virgin shall give birth" as the origional Latin version of was taken from the Hebrew while the later translations stem directly from the Latin translation and not the directly from the Hebrew. The direct Hebrew of this specific portion says maiden; specifically speaking of a young woman/girl. Basically the translation stems from "Be-tu-la בתולה" and "Al-mah עלמה". Virgin and Maiden. The basic conclusion to the validity of/for the accuracy of the translation one must study Genesis 34 The Rape of Dinah. Prior to the actual rape of Dinah the Torah calls her a virgin while after the tragic event, Dinah is refered to as a maiden. By using the logic in this specific example and the actual Hebrew word used one will find that the Torah's and Tenach's linquistics and chosen word usage are identicle.
Two cents from Ol-MarZutra
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
I agree with you Dan ben Noah, although I did not know about the business of Jews being murdered, which Lisa says was in the video link.... I did not see the link but in general, Jewish interpretations should be allowed in this section without censorship.
decimos:
so there is no ambiguity,the link to the you tube video was a point of view expressed by rambam, rashi and many great jewish sages.Lisa,with all due respect the verse in question is isa 53, used by many baptist missionaries and messy jews to convert jews.The video is a juxtapose viv a vis the position of scripture in the video starts and the end of the verse and the video ends at the beginning of the verse.Vindicating jewish scripture and ofc the words of the prophet.I help this helps.
muman613:
Shalom,
I love JTF and most of the people who are posting on it. It is a place where we can discuss politics and a little bit of religion. I too am sometimes a zealot. Ive been called a zealot, worse than the taliban, and many worse things. But I am more moderate than a zealot. I too have some anger about the christian missionaries and their twisting of scripture. I listen to Rabbi Tovia Singer a lot to learn why their religion has translated Torah so wrongly, and their new writings are full of errors and contradictions. But I understand the need to work together with the other nations. I dont think we are selling out. There are many forums where Jews can talk about scripture and halachic issues. I just found a forum called Hashkafah.com [ http://www.hashkafah.com/forums.html ] which has many interesting Jewish topics and Dvrei Torah.
I dont think we should censor basic Jewish thoughts. The other day I explained the Jewish understanding of the Satan and I originally thought it might be provocative to the non-Jews but it wasnt so much. Sometimes I think they worship that malach, oy gevalt! And I once posted how I discovered mistranslations in the christian psalms {our tehillim}. They were some very serious mistranslations, and I compared to both Chabads and Artscrolls translation, and to my basic understanding of the Hebrew. [ http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=23295.0 ]
My 2 shekels,
muman613
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