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A comment for delusional Jews
« on: August 26, 2008, 09:21:06 PM »
Every attack upon Jews, every hateful slur, every overt or covert act of anti-Semitism is a desecration of the name of G-d.  Contrary to what many people think, that which almost kills us does not make us stronger.  There were no positive developments out of the holocaust-nothing good came from it at all.  We have the mistaken impression that we are now more secure, that we have greater freedom to be Jewish, that more people accept us now than ever before.  But I think this is not true.  Our position is as precarious as ever.  The holocaust, I fear, is merely on hiatus.  WE MUST GIVE UP ON THE NOTION THAT WE HAVE ALLIES!  We are alone.  We have only ourselves and G-d to look to.  Let us rely upon ourselves to do that which we must do.  I will make aliyah as soon as I can and I encourage Jews in America to do likewise.  We must defend our land and our people, never concede even one inch of the land that belongs to us, and above all, trust in G-d and become a JEWISH state once again.

For those of you who believe that I am paranoid, watch this video, and let me remind you as Chaim has said, "paranoid Jews live longer."

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Re: A comment for dillusional Jews
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2008, 10:00:32 PM »
Every attack upon Jews, every hateful slur, every overt or covert act of anti-Semitism is a desecration of the name of G-d.  Contrary to what many people think, that which almost kills us does not make us stronger.  There were no positive developments out of the holocaust-nothing good came from it at all.  We have the mistaken impression that we are now more secure, that we have greater freedom to be Jewish, that more people accept us now than ever before.  But I think this is not true.  Our position is as precarious as ever.  The holocaust, I fear, is merely on hiatus.  WE MUST GIVE UP ON THE NOTION THAT WE HAVE ALLIES!  We are alone.  We have only ourselves and G-d to look to.  Let us rely upon ourselves to do that which we must do.  I will make aliyah as soon as I can and I encourage Jews in America to do likewise.  We must defend our land and our people, never concede even one inch of the land that belongs to us, and above all, trust in G-d and become a JEWISH state once again.

For those of you who believe that I am paranoid, watch this video, and let me remind you as Chaim has said, "paranoid Jews live longer."



Shalom Zachor ..I do agree with some things in your post but not all, for example you said we are alone. Now, especially now Christians have become aware of who the real enemy is and that is Muslims and Islam. Most Christians in this Country are supporting Israel and that is why the Muslims want them dead too. The Muslims are enraged beyond endurance that we have support for Israel, it matters not if we are American Jews or Israeli Jews. We are not alone. A minority, yes...you are correct there.
During the Holocaust the Jews were alone, but G-d did intervien and said enough is enough and he sent the USA to liberate Europe from Satan. Many Christians did try and help the Jews and many of them are in the Hall of the Righteous in Holocaust Museums across the Nation.
I owe my very existence to G-d first, my Country and those Christians who died in order to remove Satan from Europe. If The United States had not stopped ( Satan/ Hitler ), I would never have been born and my mother and her family ( spanish Jews from Morocco ) would have been deported to the death camps in Europe. According to my Aunt, the Muslims in Morocco were telling the Germans where the Jews were..My Aunt remembers a Yellow Magen David on her front door. I know we are a minority and that we must always fight for Israel, but let us give thanks to the Christians who gave their lives to fight Satan in Europe and to the Christians who now support Israel.
I know how you feel...but let me assure you we are not alone and the best for last! We have G-d on our side !!!!! B H

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Re: A comment for dillusional Jews
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2008, 10:28:25 PM »
Much within that video is surely true.  No question.  The Jew, by and large, has always been on its own.  That's within the Torah itself.  I'd not say that most Christians support Jews or Israel.  I'd say all the righteous ones most certainly do. 

There were many who, as Dox relayed, helped the Jew; the Serbs for example.  The Muslims have both ideological and too political unity with the Nazis that trace back to Hitler and his sending Nazi Occultists to the Middle East and Asia to research Aryian/Caucasian History and their Gnostic belief in an attempt to "rebuild Rome".  Of course this union of not only the Mohammadan with Hitler; via Hajj Amin al-Husseini, but also the Dalai Lama and the Hindu Guru has been a continuing thorn in the side of Israel and the Jews for a very long time.  Longer than most think....

This is a very touchy subject as it relates to many related subjects.  Judaism is ideologically opposed to Communism, Socialism and Humanism for example.  The Jews are also seen as left over peoples that should have been vanqushed years ago and now keeing the Dawn of the Age of Reason from fruition: The New Age.

The Christian, in a moral sense are on the side of the Jews as their entire ethical base stems from the Torah, but where there is a danger; being double edged sword, is that the belief that on the second coming all the Jews will become confronted with their blindness and accept the returning Jesus: The Christos. This tends to lend base to Zechor's views.

The sole reality is that the Torah: HaShem tells us that Jews are a Nation/People that dwells alone.....
I agree with both you and as well Dox although I'm not as much of an optimist as Dox....  However, I've been known to be totally wrong....LOL
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"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2008, 10:58:21 PM »
Much within that video is surely true.  No question.  The Jew, by and large, has always been on its own.  That's within the Torah itself.  I'd not say that most Christians support Jews or Israel.  I'd say all the righteous ones most certainly do. 

There were many who, as Dox relayed, helped the Jew; the Serbs for example.  The Muslims have both ideological and too political unity with the Nazis that trace back to Hitler and his sending Nazi Occultists to the Middle East and Asia to research Aryian/Caucasian History and their Gnostic belief in an attempt to "rebuild Rome".  Of course this union of not only the Mohammadan with Hitler; via Hajj Amin al-Husseini, but also the Dalai Lama and the Hindu Guru has been a continuing thorn in the side of Israel and the Jews for a very long time.  Longer than most think....

This is a very touchy subject as it relates to many related subjects.  Judaism is ideologically opposed to Communism, Socialism and Humanism for example.  The Jews are also seen as left over peoples that should have been vanqushed years ago and now keeing the Dawn of the Age of Reason from fruition: The New Age.

The Christian, in a moral sense are on the side of the Jews as their entire ethical base stems from the Torah, but where there is a danger; being double edged sword, is that the belief that on the second coming all the Jews will become confronted with their blindness and accept the returning Jesus: The Christos. This tends to lend base to Zechor's views.

The sole reality is that the Torah: HaShem tells us that Jews are a Nation/People that dwells alone.....
I agree with both you and as well Dox although I'm not as much of an optimist as Dox....  However, I've been known to be totally wrong....LOL

Well, optimistic I am not always..I was just giving some credit where credit was due. The truth be known I am actually afraid of what is happening worldwide regarding Islam , Muslims and Communists. It is scary to think that WW3 may be happening now...slowly but surely.
I have faith in G-d, but having faith in man is another story. If I was a man and the president of the United States of America, I would have responded to the Muslim world differently than Bush did. A few good bombs would have done the trick and saved billions... any Muslim left alive would be executing their jihadist's left and right.
War on terror would be over.

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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2008, 11:29:02 PM »
Great post! Profound video. Thank you!
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2008, 08:09:59 AM »
Please let me clarify.  I do not mean that there are no friends of the Jews.  Of course there are many wonderful gentiles who saved us (literally) in the past and will again in the future.  What I mean is that Jews must be self-reliant and look only to themselves and their G-d for security, morality, and spirituality.

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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2008, 08:39:24 AM »
Please let me clarify.  I do not mean that there are no friends of the Jews.  Of course there are many wonderful gentiles who saved us (literally) in the past and will again in the future.  What I mean is that Jews must be self-reliant and look only to themselves and their G-d for security, morality, and spirituality.
Agreed.  The Torah states thus itself.  I agree with Dox and for her interest, pick your Tenach up and look up Psalms 118:8 O0  Your words...... ;)
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2008, 08:59:40 AM »
  There were no positive developments out of the holocaust-nothing good came from it at all. 


Shalom Zachor, do you not feel that the holocaust expedited or had any part in the re-building of the state of Israel? I am no scholar, but I have read some about the exodus out of Europe-post WW2 and the actual founding of Israel and gaining freedom from Turkey/UK and it's developement from desert and swamp to the beautiful land of today.

The atrocities of the Nazis and Arabs certainly had an effect on the determination of those brave Jewish settlers and the global initiative to get to Israel. I have also read first-person stories of Jewish immigrants who traveled thousands of miles based on (unsubstantiated accounts and mere rumors to them), that there was an Israel waiting for them at the other end. Many already in poor health, victims of camps and pogroms, traveled with little food, through hostile lands, and then had to break through the British blockades to get to thier homeland. What kicked this off after hundreds of years of no active initiative to claim the Jewish homeland?

My thought, is that the holocaust did give these people the courage and the determination to initiate the reclaiming of thier heritage.
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2008, 03:52:30 PM »
  There were no positive developments out of the holocaust-nothing good came from it at all. 


Shalom Zachor, do you not feel that the holocaust expedited or had any part in the re-building of the state of Israel? I am no scholar, but I have read some about the exodus out of Europe-post WW2 and the actual founding of Israel and gaining freedom from Turkey/UK and it's developement from desert and swamp to the beautiful land of today.

The atrocities of the Nazis and Arabs certainly had an effect on the determination of those brave Jewish settlers and the global initiative to get to Israel. I have also read first-person stories of Jewish immigrants who traveled thousands of miles based on (unsubstantiated accounts and mere rumors to them), that there was an Israel waiting for them at the other end. Many already in poor health, victims of camps and pogroms, traveled with little food, through hostile lands, and then had to break through the British blockades to get to thier homeland. What kicked this off after hundreds of years of no active initiative to claim the Jewish homeland?

My thought, is that the holocaust did give these people the courage and the determination to initiate the reclaiming of thier heritage.

It is a good question and one that I have thoroughly considered.  Let me pose the question, "What kind of Jewish state would have emerged (if any) had there been no holocaust?".  Years before the holocaust, the British had a mandate over "Palestine".  By 1939, British Colonial Secretary Malcolm MacDonald had created the "white paper", a document which would have divided the British mandate into two areas:  one for Jews, the other for arabs.  So clearly the British objective of creating a Jewish state existed before the holocaust.  That being said, the Jewish claim to the land of Israel is based on much more than the British promise.  Secondly, who would have colonized Israel had they not been murdered?  Consider for a moment, all of the devoutly religious Jews of Poland and Russia who every day dreamed the dream of Zion.  What kind of Jewish state would we have had, if they had returned to their land?  Would Israel be the kind of leftist, capitulating state that it is today?  Lastly, the argument that the Jewish settlers were "energized" or "determined" to make the Jewish state succed, I think that this is only partly true.  If you consider the fact that Stalin created an autonomous Jewish state in Birobidzhan, and that the area was even a greater wasteland than Israel.  The Jewish people that settled that area made an unlivable swampland into a Jewish paradise.  In sum, I think the modern state of Israel would have been created anyway, even had there been no holocaust; there would have been a far greater number of Jews and a much greater number of religious Jews settling the land; and finally, Israel would be a stronger more independent state than it now is. 

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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2008, 07:22:05 PM »
One must also remember the specificities to the three different types, or "sects" of Zionists: Labor Zionists (Communists and Socialists), Jewish Nationalists (Irgun, Lahey) and Religious Zionists.  All three were very active prior to World War 2 and the latter was active for millenia. 

Eliyahu ben Shlomo Zalman aka The Vilna Gaon, used to encourage his Yeshiva students to make Aliyah (go up) to Israel in the 1700's. 

There were already many Jews in the Land of Israel dating back to the first century with a continual stream returning over the years often aided by yearly Tzadaka (Charity) given by synagogues in Egypt, Babylonia, Asia Minor and Europe....  Israel would have been settled whether there was or was not a Shoa.  The only thing the Shoa had done was, even questionably, bolster international support backing and even added funding by the executioners.  Sadly, the idea that Israel was the sole bi-product of the Shoa is another fabrication the International anti-Jew uses against the Jew and their "occupation" of the "Palestinians" and "their" "Palestine"... 

With the bias "history" and continual bad news from Israel painted all over the media lends credit to the belief that there's nothing better in this world than a dead Jew.....  sadly but true...
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"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2008, 07:53:24 PM »
One must also remember the specificities to the three different types, or "sects" of Zionists: Labor Zionists (Communists and Socialists), Jewish Nationalists (Irgun, Lahey) and Religious Zionists.  All three were very active prior to World War 2 and the latter was active for millenia. 

Eliyahu ben Shlomo Zalman aka The Vilna Gaon, used to encourage his Yeshiva students to make Aliyah (go up) to Israel in the 1700's. 

There were already many Jews in the Land of Israel dating back to the first century with a continual stream returning over the years often aided by yearly Tzadaka (Charity) given by synagogues in Egypt, Babylonia, Asia Minor and Europe....  Israel would have been settled whether there was or was not a Shoa.  The only thing the Shoa had done was, even questionably, bolster international support backing and even added funding by the executioners.  Sadly, the idea that Israel was the sole bi-product of the Shoa is another fabrication the International anti-Jew uses against the Jew and their "occupation" of the "Palestinians" and "their" "Palestine"... 

With the bias "history" and continual bad news from Israel painted all over the media lends credit to the belief that there's nothing better in this world than a dead Jew.....  sadly but true...

Very well put.  As Rabbi Kahane (of blessed memory) said, "The world loves us after every holocaust."  I don't think we can take too much more of their "love".

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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2008, 08:32:17 PM »
"I much prefer a powerful Jewish State hated by the World over another Auschwitz loved by it." - Rabbi Meir Kahane Z"L
"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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Is Temple Mount God's time bomb?
New book sees Jerusalem real estate as roadmap to future events
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Posted: August 14, 2008
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Was the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem more than a place of worship?

Was it, indeed, a roadmap to future events – a kind of prophetic landmark whose significance is only now revealed through the development of satellite imagery?

That is the contention of an explosive new book, "Temple at the Center of Time: Newton's Bible Codex Deciphered and the Year 2012," by David Flynn.

The book asserts it has "deciphered Isaac Newton’s greatest paradox: None other than 'the unified field theory' of Bible prophecy."

Sir Isaac Newton was not only a great thinker in physics, the book explains, but had extensive knowledge of the Scriptures with a special interest in prophecy. Newton believed there was a hidden code, a type of time-encrypted language. He believed the key to deciphering this code was the Temple of Solomon. He wrote extensively on the length measurements of the Temple and suggested it intersected time and dimension, serving as a prophetic and supernatural structure.

According to Flynn, although Newton never cracked this code, he was on the right track and was limited only by the lack of sophisticated satellite technology.

"The description of Jerusalem as a terrestrial center point, situated in the center of the world, is found in Philo's Legatio and Gaium," Flynn notes. "The world is like a human eyeball. The white of the eye is the ocean surrounding the world, the iris is this continent, the pupil is Jerusalem, and the image in the pupil is the Holy Temple."To make his case, David starts by illustrating what the reader soon learns is the first of numerous extraordinary time-distance anomalies.

The prisca sapentia framework of Newton suggests that the distance between the temple of Jerusalem and the capital city of any nation historically effecting the chronicles of Jerusalem would be supernaturally connected. This relationship would be significant with respect to units of time, expressing meaning in line with God's divine plan as recorded in the word of his prophets.

Newton and Flynn point out how Ezekiel recorded the dimensions of the future temple in chapter 40 of his book, starting with the lengths of the temple gates, chambers, courts, walls and its exterior. After this, calibrations of weights and measure for the temple functions were given in detail. Finally, the distance of land outward from the temple was measured.

And he brought me thither, and, behold, [there was] a man, whose appearance [was] like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed; and he stood in the gate. (Ezekiel 40:3)
The measure of distance away from Jerusalem in this text implies a spiritual significance, says Flynn. A relationship between Jerusalem and the nations existed from the foundation of the temple, but was not completely perceived – and could not be fully known until the conventions of modern science.

For instance, if a measurement is made from the point of the temple of Jerusalem's foundation stone to the palace of Balthazar – the political center of Babylon and the exact location where the writing on the wall occurred – the distance should relate to the period in which Babylon most influenced Jerusalem.

Such a relationship exists and is the important distance of 539.86 statute miles.

What makes this measurement unusual is that Babylon, which played such a significant role in Hebrew antiquity, was measured and numbered in its relationship to Jewish history in Daniel chapter five during the famous handwriting on the wall. When the prophet interpreted the manifestation, he proclaimed in verses 25-28:

And this is the writing that was written: MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE, God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it; TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting; PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
That very night King Belshazzar was slain, and Darius the Mede became king.

Babylon fell to the Medes and Persians on the 16th day of Tishri of the Jewish calendar, which correlates to Oct. 12, 539 B.C. Curiously, the number 539 is also the distance in statute miles between the temple of Jerusalem's foundation stone to the palace of Balthazar, as confirmed by modern satellite measurement.

Does this give insight to the handwriting on the wall or the dating and measuring of Babylon's affairs in the history of Israel? Does this imply that Babylon's influence over Israel was supernaturally predated and measured, or foreknown? Or was this just a fascinating coincidence? As the first of such discoveries made by Flynn, he wondered the same thing.

So Flynn studied epic moments having to do with the sovereignty of Israel and the nations that played key roles in Hebrew and Jewish history. Over and over he found fascinating date-measurement anomalies connecting pivotal moments in time to the temple in Jerusalem. He went through annals, considering when acts by world leaders had influenced the development of the Jewish state. He continued to find more.

A case in point was the relationship between Napoleon Bonaparte and the Jews.

Napoleon had previously encountered the prophecies of the Tanach in the Jewish community of Malta, which he liberated under French law in 1798. For hundreds of years, the Knights Hospitalier of Saint John of Jerusalem had oppressed the Jews by enslaving them and preventing open worship. One of Napoleon's first acts after banishing the Knights was to allow the Jews to build a synagogue, and the community of Jews on Malta welcomed Napoleon as a conqueror equal to Cyrus the Great. They believed their liberation by him was the fulfillment of the "king of the North" prophecy in Daniel 11.


 


This was followed on the first day of Passover, April 20, 1799, when Napoleon issued his proclamation of a Jewish state of Palestine. On May 22, 1799, the Paris newspaper, Moniteur Universel, announced: "Bonaparte has published a proclamation in which he invites all the Jews of Asia and Africa to gather under his flag in order to re-establish the ancient Jerusalem. He has already given arms to a great number, and their battalions threaten Aleppo."

Although the proclamation did not come to fruition, it increased a drive for Jews worldwide to pursue a sovereign state in Israel. Napoleon's ideas were also embraced by many who viewed them as a fulfillment of ancient prophecy, even some belonging to the Church of England.

This is important because Paris was named after the Paris, a Celtic people who settled on this central island in the 3rd century B.C. The city later spread outward from this point along the banks of the Seine River. This island is considered the birthplace of Paris and was the site of the city's earliest settlements. It was home to the French Kings from A.D. 400 to A.D. 1300. The royal palace and parliament were located on the western side of the island. Extending a measuring line from this historical center of Paris to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem shows the distance in nautical miles, 1,799.

The intriguing connection to Flynn's book is clear: Napoleon made a proclamation of historical importance to the Jewish nation in the year 1799, and perhaps not coincidently the distance from Paris to the Temple Mount in nautical miles corresponds perfectly at 1,799.

As findings like these stack up and the mathematical improbability of Flynn's disclosure increases, one of the most extraordinary parts of the book is unveiled when we learn how the year 1948 is marked by time-distance relations to the Temple location and several other mind-boggling dates and places, both past and future, which we will not divulge here.   However, a peek into this section of the book finds discussion of how Britain was the nation that was "friendly to the Jews" and enabled them to return to Israel over 200 after Newton's death.   The British defeated the Ottoman Turks and became administrators of the land of ancient Israel in 1917.  Through mandate after World War I and World War II until 1948, London was the heart of the governing intellect over the region.

London's original location at its founding is an important point in establishing the exact value of time and distance between it and Jerusalem's Temple.


 


The Romans established Londinium in about A.D. 47.   It was a civilian settlement built where the Thames became narrow enough for a bridge to be built across it but was still deep enough to admit large ocean vessels. In the 16th century, William Camden believed that the "London Stone" was a Roman milestone from which all distances were measured in the province.   In the 17th century, Christopher Wren was able to observe the foundations of the London Stone underneath Cannon Street during the rebuilding of London after the Great Fire.   With this information, it is possible to extend a measuring line from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem to the exact center of ancient London, and by fixing a point on the site of the temple mount, a measuring line extended over Jerusalem to the center of London produces 1,948.40 nautical miles.

Therefore, incredibly, recorded in the earth between the Temple Mount of Jerusalem and the historic center of London is what Flynn sees as the fulfillment of Newton's own prediction: Israel became a nation again May 14th, 1948, corresponding perfectly to a distance between the temple and London of 1948 nautical miles.   As the reader moves through Temple at the Center of Time, these time-length correlations accumulate quickly, including numerous ancient dates such as 1441 B.C. when the Exodus from Egypt occurred. It turns out is 1,441,000 feet from the Jerusalem Temple to the Great Pyramid in Giza. Flynn finds dozens of other key dates in the past through similar satellite mapping measurements including some related to the United States, Russia and Rome.

Before it is even officially released, Flynn's book is causing a sensation in some circles where it is being compared to "The Bible Code."

"‘Vehorashtem/Numbers 33:53’: When you burn out the Land’s inhabitants, you will merit to bestow upon your children the Land as an inheritance. If you do not burn them out, then even if you conquer the Land, you will not merit to allot it to your children as an inheritance." - Ovadiah ben Yacov Sforno; Italian Rabbi, Biblical Commentator, Philosopher and Physician.  1475-1550.

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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2008, 09:20:37 PM »
Is Temple Mount G-d's time bomb?
New book sees Jerusalem real estate as roadmap to future events
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Posted: August 14, 2008
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Was the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem more than a place of worship?

Was it, indeed, a roadmap to future events – a kind of prophetic landmark whose significance is only now revealed through the development of satellite imagery?

That is the contention of an explosive new book, "Temple at the Center of Time: Newton's Bible Codex Deciphered and the Year 2012," by David Flynn.

The book asserts it has "deciphered Isaac Newton’s greatest paradox: None other than 'the unified field theory' of Bible prophecy."

Sir Isaac Newton was not only a great thinker in physics, the book explains, but had extensive knowledge of the Scriptures with a special interest in prophecy. Newton believed there was a hidden code, a type of time-encrypted language. He believed the key to deciphering this code was the Temple of Solomon. He wrote extensively on the length measurements of the Temple and suggested it intersected time and dimension, serving as a prophetic and supernatural structure.

According to Flynn, although Newton never cracked this code, he was on the right track and was limited only by the lack of sophisticated satellite technology.

"The description of Jerusalem as a terrestrial center point, situated in the center of the world, is found in Philo's Legatio and Gaium," Flynn notes. "The world is like a human eyeball. The white of the eye is the ocean surrounding the world, the iris is this continent, the pupil is Jerusalem, and the image in the pupil is the Holy Temple."To make his case, David starts by illustrating what the reader soon learns is the first of numerous extraordinary time-distance anomalies.

The prisca sapentia framework of Newton suggests that the distance between the temple of Jerusalem and the capital city of any nation historically effecting the chronicles of Jerusalem would be supernaturally connected. This relationship would be significant with respect to units of time, expressing meaning in line with G-d's divine plan as recorded in the word of his prophets.

Newton and Flynn point out how Ezekiel recorded the dimensions of the future temple in chapter 40 of his book, starting with the lengths of the temple gates, chambers, courts, walls and its exterior. After this, calibrations of weights and measure for the temple functions were given in detail. Finally, the distance of land outward from the temple was measured.

And he brought me thither, and, behold, [there was] a man, whose appearance [was] like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed; and he stood in the gate. (Ezekiel 40:3)
The measure of distance away from Jerusalem in this text implies a spiritual significance, says Flynn. A relationship between Jerusalem and the nations existed from the foundation of the temple, but was not completely perceived – and could not be fully known until the conventions of modern science.

For instance, if a measurement is made from the point of the temple of Jerusalem's foundation stone to the palace of Balthazar – the political center of Babylon and the exact location where the writing on the wall occurred – the distance should relate to the period in which Babylon most influenced Jerusalem.

Such a relationship exists and is the important distance of 539.86 statute miles.

What makes this measurement unusual is that Babylon, which played such a significant role in Hebrew antiquity, was measured and numbered in its relationship to Jewish history in Daniel chapter five during the famous handwriting on the wall. When the prophet interpreted the manifestation, he proclaimed in verses 25-28:

And this is the writing that was written: MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE, G-d hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it; TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting; PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
That very night King Belshazzar was slain, and Darius the Mede became king.

Babylon fell to the Medes and Persians on the 16th day of Tishrei of the Jewish calendar, which correlates to Oct. 12, 539 B.C.E. Curiously, the number 539 is also the distance in statute miles between the temple of Jerusalem's foundation stone to the palace of Balthazar, as confirmed by modern satellite measurement.

Does this give insight to the handwriting on the wall or the dating and measuring of Babylon's affairs in the history of Israel? Does this imply that Babylon's influence over Israel was supernaturally predated and measured, or foreknown? Or was this just a fascinating coincidence? As the first of such discoveries made by Flynn, he wondered the same thing.

So Flynn studied epic moments having to do with the sovereignty of Israel and the nations that played key roles in Hebrew and Jewish history. Over and over he found fascinating date-measurement anomalies connecting pivotal moments in time to the temple in Jerusalem. He went through annals, considering when acts by world leaders had influenced the development of the Jewish state. He continued to find more.

A case in point was the relationship between Napoleon Bonaparte and the Jews.

Napoleon had previously encountered the prophecies of The Tanach in the Jewish community of Malta, which he liberated under French law in 1798. For hundreds of years, the Knights Hospitalier of Saint John of Jerusalem had oppressed the Jews by enslaving them and preventing open worship. One of Napoleon's first acts after banishing the Knights was to allow the Jews to build a synagogue, and the community of Jews on Malta welcomed Napoleon as a conqueror equal to Cyrus the Great. They believed their liberation by him was the fulfillment of the "king of the North" prophecy in Daniel 11.


 


This was followed on the first day of Passover, April 20, 1799, when Napoleon issued his proclamation of a Jewish state of Palestine. On May 22, 1799, the Paris newspaper, Moniteur Universel, announced: "Bonaparte has published a proclamation in which he invites all the Jews of Asia and Africa to gather under his flag in order to re-establish the ancient Jerusalem. He has already given arms to a great number, and their battalions threaten Aleppo."

Although the proclamation did not come to fruition, it increased a drive for Jews worldwide to pursue a sovereign state in Israel. Napoleon's ideas were also embraced by many who viewed them as a fulfillment of ancient prophecy, even some belonging to the Church of England.

This is important because Paris was named after the Paris, a Celtic people who settled on this central island in the 3rd century B.C.E. The city later spread outward from this point along the banks of the Seine River. This island is considered the birthplace of Paris and was the site of the city's earliest settlements. It was home to the French Kings from C.E.  400 to C.E.  1300. The royal palace and parliament were located on the western side of the island. Extending a measuring line from this historical center of Paris to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem shows the distance in nautical miles, 1,799.

The intriguing connection to Flynn's book is clear: Napoleon made a proclamation of historical importance to the Jewish nation in the year 1799, and perhaps not coincidently the distance from Paris to the Temple Mount in nautical miles corresponds perfectly at 1,799.

As findings like these stack up and the mathematical improbability of Flynn's disclosure increases, one of the most extraordinary parts of the book is unveiled when we learn how the year 1948 is marked by time-distance relations to the Temple location and several other mind-boggling dates and places, both past and future, which we will not divulge here.   However, a peek into this section of the book finds discussion of how Britain was the nation that was "friendly to the Jews" and enabled them to return to Israel over 200 after Newton's death.   The British defeated the Ottoman Turks and became administrators of the land of ancient Israel in 1917.  Through mandate after World War I and World War II until 1948, London was the heart of the governing intellect over the region.

London's original location at its founding is an important point in establishing the exact value of time and distance between it and Jerusalem's Temple.


 


The Romans established Londinium in about C.E.  47.   It was a civilian settlement built where the Thames became narrow enough for a bridge to be built across it but was still deep enough to admit large ocean vessels. In the 16th century, William Camden believed that the "London Stone" was a Roman milestone from which all distances were measured in the province.   In the 17th century, Christopher Wren was able to observe the foundations of the London Stone underneath Cannon Street during the rebuilding of London after the Great Fire.   With this information, it is possible to extend a measuring line from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem to the exact center of ancient London, and by fixing a point on the site of the temple mount, a measuring line extended over Jerusalem to the center of London produces 1,948.40 nautical miles.

Therefore, incredibly, recorded in the earth between the Temple Mount of Jerusalem and the historic center of London is what Flynn sees as the fulfillment of Newton's own prediction: Israel became a nation again May 14th, 1948, corresponding perfectly to a distance between the temple and London of 1948 nautical miles.   As the reader moves through Temple at the Center of Time, these time-length correlations accumulate quickly, including numerous ancient dates such as 1441 B.C.E. when the Exodus from Egypt occurred. It turns out is 1,441,000 feet from the Jerusalem Temple to the Great Pyramid in Giza. Flynn finds dozens of other key dates in the past through similar satellite mapping measurements including some related to the United States, Russia and Rome.

Before it is even officially released, Flynn's book is causing a sensation in some circles where it is being compared to "The Bible Code."



This is fascinating, though I prefer not to divine the nature of the Divine.

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  There were no positive developments out of the holocaust-nothing good came from it at all. 


Shalom Zachor, do you not feel that the holocaust expedited or had any part in the re-building of the state of Israel? I am no scholar, but I have read some about the exodus out of Europe-post WW2 and the actual founding of Israel and gaining freedom from Turkey/UK and it's developement from desert and swamp to the beautiful land of today.

The atrocities of the Nazis and Arabs certainly had an effect on the determination of those brave Jewish settlers and the global initiative to get to Israel. I have also read first-person stories of Jewish immigrants who traveled thousands of miles based on (unsubstantiated accounts and mere rumors to them), that there was an Israel waiting for them at the other end. Many already in poor health, victims of camps and pogroms, traveled with little food, through hostile lands, and then had to break through the British blockades to get to thier homeland. What kicked this off after hundreds of years of no active initiative to claim the Jewish homeland?

My thought, is that the holocaust did give these people the courage and the determination to initiate the reclaiming of thier heritage.

It is a good question and one that I have thoroughly considered.  Let me pose the question, "What kind of Jewish state would have emerged (if any) had there been no holocaust?".  Years before the holocaust, the British had a mandate over "Palestine".  By 1939, British Colonial Secretary Malcolm MacDonald had created the "white paper", a document which would have divided the British mandate into two areas:  one for Jews, the other for arabs.  So clearly the British objective of creating a Jewish state existed before the holocaust.  That being said, the Jewish claim to the land of Israel is based on much more than the British promise.  Secondly, who would have colonized Israel had they not been murdered?  Consider for a moment, all of the devoutly religious Jews of Poland and Russia who every day dreamed the dream of Zion.  What kind of Jewish state would we have had, if they had returned to their land?  Would Israel be the kind of leftist, capitulating state that it is today?  Lastly, the argument that the Jewish settlers were "energized" or "determined" to make the Jewish state succed, I think that this is only partly true.  If you consider the fact that Stalin created an autonomous Jewish state in Birobidzhan, and that the area was even a greater wasteland than Israel.  The Jewish people that settled that area made an unlivable swampland into a Jewish paradise.  In sum, I think the modern state of Israel would have been created anyway, even had there been no holocaust; there would have been a far greater number of Jews and a much greater number of religious Jews settling the land; and finally, Israel would be a stronger more independent state than it now is. 

Thank you Zachor, good points to think about.
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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2008, 04:29:24 AM »
I can't watch the video, because it is not available formy country, but I remember his sentence: Crazy Jews live longer. Perhaps there are a few variants of this statement.  ;D
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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2008, 10:23:37 AM »
Every attack upon Jews, every hateful slur, every overt or covert act of anti-Semitism is a desecration of the name of G-d.  Contrary to what many people think, that which almost kills us does not make us stronger.  There were no positive developments out of the holocaust-nothing good came from it at all.  We have the mistaken impression that we are now more secure, that we have greater freedom to be Jewish, that more people accept us now than ever before.  But I think this is not true.  Our position is as precarious as ever.  The holocaust, I fear, is merely on hiatus.  WE MUST GIVE UP ON THE NOTION THAT WE HAVE ALLIES!  We are alone.  We have only ourselves and G-d to look to.  Let us rely upon ourselves to do that which we must do.  I will make aliyah as soon as I can and I encourage Jews in America to do likewise.  We must defend our land and our people, never concede even one inch of the land that belongs to us, and above all, trust in G-d and become a JEWISH state once again.

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Shalom Zachor ..I do agree with some things in your post but not all, for example you said we are alone. Now, especially now Christians have become aware of who the real enemy is and that is Muslims and Islam. Most Christians in this Country are supporting Israel and that is why the Muslims want them dead too. The Muslims are enraged beyond endurance that we have support for Israel, it matters not if we are American Jews or Israeli Jews. We are not alone. A minority, yes...you are correct there.
During the Holocaust the Jews were alone, but G-d did intervien and said enough is enough and he sent the USA to liberate Europe from Satan. Many Christians did try and help the Jews and many of them are in the Hall of the Righteous in Holocaust Museums across the Nation.
I owe my very existence to G-d first, my Country and those Christians who died in order to remove Satan from Europe. If The United States had not stopped ( Satan/ Hitler ), I would never have been born and my mother and her family ( spanish Jews from Morocco ) would have been deported to the death camps in Europe. According to my Aunt, the Muslims in Morocco were telling the Germans where the Jews were..My Aunt remembers a Yellow Magen David on her front door. I know we are a minority and that we must always fight for Israel, but let us give thanks to the Christians who gave their lives to fight Satan in Europe and to the Christians who now support Israel.
I know how you feel...but let me assure you we are not alone and the best for last! We have G-d on our side !!!!! B H

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« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2008, 10:46:34 AM »


CHIP (CHristian In Pretense) Watch all my emails and words... ;)

OK Paulette, if we went strictly by percentage of whole, I bet that the Jews you need to watch is a higher percentage than the Christians you need to watch.
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CHIP (CHristian In Pretense) Watch all my emails and words... ;)

OK Paulette, if we went strictly by percentage of whole, I bet that the Jews you need to watch is a higher percentage than the Christians you need to watch.
Now this is certainly true as the most hurtful enemy of the Jew is the "Jew"....
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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2008, 07:47:57 PM »
Every attack upon Jews, every hateful slur, every overt or covert act of anti-Semitism is a desecration of the name of G-d.  Contrary to what many people think, that which almost kills us does not make us stronger.  There were no positive developments out of the holocaust-nothing good came from it at all.  We have the mistaken impression that we are now more secure, that we have greater freedom to be Jewish, that more people accept us now than ever before.  But I think this is not true.  Our position is as precarious as ever.  The holocaust, I fear, is merely on hiatus.  WE MUST GIVE UP ON THE NOTION THAT WE HAVE ALLIES!  We are alone.  We have only ourselves and G-d to look to.  Let us rely upon ourselves to do that which we must do.  I will make aliyah as soon as I can and I encourage Jews in America to do likewise.  We must defend our land and our people, never concede even one inch of the land that belongs to us, and above all, trust in G-d and become a JEWISH state once again.

For those of you who believe that I am paranoid, watch this video, and let me remind you as Chaim has said, "paranoid Jews live longer."



Shalom Zachor ..I do agree with some things in your post but not all, for example you said we are alone. Now, especially now Christians have become aware of who the real enemy is and that is Muslims and Islam. Most Christians in this Country are supporting Israel and that is why the Muslims want them dead too. The Muslims are enraged beyond endurance that we have support for Israel, it matters not if we are American Jews or Israeli Jews. We are not alone. A minority, yes...you are correct there.
During the Holocaust the Jews were alone, but G-d did intervien and said enough is enough and he sent the USA to liberate Europe from Satan. Many Christians did try and help the Jews and many of them are in the Hall of the Righteous in Holocaust Museums across the Nation.
I owe my very existence to G-d first, my Country and those Christians who died in order to remove Satan from Europe. If The United States had not stopped ( Satan/ Hitler ), I would never have been born and my mother and her family ( spanish Jews from Morocco ) would have been deported to the death camps in Europe. According to my Aunt, the Muslims in Morocco were telling the Germans where the Jews were..My Aunt remembers a Yellow Magen David on her front door. I know we are a minority and that we must always fight for Israel, but let us give thanks to the Christians who gave their lives to fight Satan in Europe and to the Christians who now support Israel.
I know how you feel...but let me assure you we are not alone and the best for last! We have G-d on our side !!!!! B H

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 WOW Dox! I didnt know you were a Spanish Jewess, I am Portuguese! Cool!
 Ok- let me PLEASE tell you all something, there ARE "Christians" that are in PRETENSE, their hatred gets revealed. PLEASE watch all of their WORDS and EMAILS.

Shalom Paulette, even though I am now a senior JFT member, I still consider myself as a newbie regarding knowing who is who on the forum. I do read posts carefully and if I am not sure that the poster has the same ideas as me, I reconsider replying to their posts. As for my being Spanish, I am half english and there is some Portugese from my Grandmother. It is fun talking about where our families came from, most Jews are either here in the USA or in Israel. I do have some jewish second cousins living in Paris and second cousins living in Israel...from my mom's side.
About Jews and Christians on this forum....I believe that the conservative christians and conservative jews get along very well here on the forum and that is great, we have our morals in common. I am sure that some come in here to pose ( pretend ) to be what they are not. The radical left Jews and left Christians could be instigating fights amongst our members. I have not been on long enough to know who is who in that department. Thanks for the warning Paulette.
I do have a few friends on the forum now, you included that are great and perhaps you all can help me if I get into any kind of jam with a leftist. I just don't understand why they start stuff.
Ok paulette, I will chat with you later and thank you.
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2008, 08:09:07 PM »
Dox, I'm the crazy one!!!!   :D
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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2008, 08:20:07 PM »
Dox, I'm the crazy one!!!!   :D

Crazy? What do you mean? Unless you are kidding .....

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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2008, 08:20:35 PM »
Dox, I'm the crazy one!!!!   :D


Never mind I give up. Competition is too tough.

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