John, there is a dynamic on this forum that you will not find anywhere else. As a rule, we as Jews are careful not to say anything in our belief that would be uncomfortable or unkind to the wonderful Christian members of this forum. Likewise, the Christian members are careful to do the same and try their hardest to keep from making the Jewish members uncomfortable or being unkind. Even though we have our differences, we have had a lot of success with this, as you can see. Here is one of the few places in the entire world where you will find Christians and [Orthodox] Jews fighting side-by-side against the evil in our day. I think it's absolutely remarkable. Please keep this in mind when posting.
The muslims aren't helpless. They have incredible oil resources...
Satan gave them his power, seat and authority.
...that they use to buy weapons so they can murder "infidels" instead of setting up basic things like indoor plumbing, electricity, adequate sewage systems, or even food.
It is amazing that in spite of the trillions of dollars transferred there without their having had to lift a finger for it - including developing their resources - that they still live in relative third world conditions.
In Gush Katif through Jewish enterprise over 100 million dollars worth of food was exported annually.
The "Palistinians" destroyed the greenhouses, burned the temples, and last news I saw food was being tossed off the back of a relief truck in Gaza.
When you have a group of people who chant for our deaths in unison by the tens of thousands and act in a lawless and violent way, you can't say they act this way because they are simply just helpless.
And only a moral reprobate would say that. Muslim fundamentalists act the same way all over the world, and have for 1400 years:
In Indonesia 3 teenage girls were beheaded on their way to their Christian school and one head left on the steps of a Church. The note left behind reads: "We will murder 100 more Christian teenagers and their heads will be presented as presents."
"Once again, women are the targets. In mid-March, rebels assaulted three women gathering firewood and cut off their ears, lips, and breasts."
"Starting in 2003, Janjaweed Arabs, a Sudan-backed militia, have driven 2 million villagers from their homes in ethnic-cleansing attacks designed to suppress local rebels."
"Eyewitness accounts detailing the militia attacks are horrifying. "They killed my 3-year-old son right in front of my eyes," one father from West Darfur said. Since last fall, women have reported more than 500 rapes. Three women said five militiamen beat and raped them last August. The women said, "After they abused us, they told us that now we would have Arab babies. And, if they would find any [more] women, they would rape them again to change the color of their children."
The way people behave isn't something that costs money or something that just happens when people are helpless. We ALWAYS have the ability to choose between good and evil.
People are indoctrinated and indoctrinate others. It's human nature to surround ourselves with that which supports our point of view and close our eyes to that which does not. Doesn't matter whether it's religion, politics, the evening news culture, the Michael Moore crowd or anyone else.
Even more tragic for Muslims, they believe they are BORN Muslim, but as you and I know there are only two groups we are born into under G-d, and those are Jew and Gentile, or a combination of the two through intermarriage.
Even when a Muslim begins to have doubts, in many places, and increasingly all around the world, that can lead to a death sentence, even if the Muslim simply becomes an atheist. This man got thrown off a 4th floor mall balcony IN CANADA at his mother's behest for leaving Islam:
It would certainly give one pause to consider becoming an Islamic "apostate" since EVERYWHERE one looses his family, friends, inheritance, job and in many places under sharia or semi-sharia law personal property.
Murdering the entire west or threatening to send nukes over here to wipe us out is not what I would deem helpless or someone that I would have pity on.
I live in the west and generally folks have freedom to think and speak as we will. Soon, if not already, a hate speech bill that already passed the democrat house will pass the senate. In other countries these same laws have given voice to Islam while silencing the non-Muslim voices.
Offhand I can't think of a group of people that has suffered more from being generalized throughout history than Jews. That's why I have difficulty understanding your generalization of Muslims into a monolithic group THOUGH I DON'T LIVE IN THE MIDDLE EAST where I am sure it is much easier to do.
Was Mohammed evil? Yes he was the greatest tool of Satan in world history. He was and preached THE DIRECT OPPOSITE of how G-d chose to reveal Himself, through His prophets.
Is Islam evil? Yes. It is Mohammed's/Satan's religion. How many other directly and specifically anti-another-religion, religions, by design, are there in the world?
Are ALL MUSLIMS evil?
Read just the home page of Walid Shoebat's site
http://www.shoebat.com/He WAS evil. He was a PLO terrorist. Today he loves and fights for Jews and Israel.
The Word of G-d is the only way that people can make this kind of transformation. Particularly against the kind of odds that Muslims face in retribution from their community and family.
Let's look at what the Bible says since G-d is perfect and never makes mistakes:
Exodus 17:8-16 (King James Version)
8 Then came Amalek, and fought with Israel in Rephidim.
9 And Moses said unto Joshua, Choose us out men, and go out, fight with Amalek: to morrow I will stand on the top of the hill with the rod of G-d in mine hand.
10 So Joshua did as Moses had said to him, and fought with Amalek: and Moses, Aaron, and Hur went up to the top of the hill.
11 And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed.
12 But Moses hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.
13 And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword.
14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.
15 And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovahnissi:
16 For he said, Because the LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation.
Now what if, G-d forbid, Moses and Aaron kind of just felt sorry for amalek and decided that amalek was just helpless? No, instead G-d commands us to wipe out amalek (from generation to generation) from under heaven. Not to do so is a grave sin. Who is amalek? Every skin head nazi, every muslim, and any person who hates the Jewish people and wish for their death is amalek. We are commanded to fight them and hate them. They are the only individuals we are allow to hate and not to hate them is a serious sin. Just read on or check out any commentaries on this part of the Torah.
Perhaps you would agree that in general among the unregenerate, violence begets violence.
I think it's great that the U.S. has temporarily won the freedom and self-determination of the people of Iraq. The peace will be theirs to loose. I have little doubt they will considering the history of the area. Look at the history of Mohammedanism in general. The only thing the various sects hate more than Israel and the U.S. is each other. We did however end Emperor Hirohito's rule over Japan, and wrote Japan's constitution, that has allowed them to live in peace and prosperity ever since.
Now please don't accuse me of proselytizing but two verses will quickly help to explain my view:
Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore
wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and
the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of G-d:
In e-discussion with Muslims, almost daily, they are slain, standing speechless and naked before G-d, with this sword. G-d's Word shuts their mouth. Most go away. Some threaten me with physical violence. None can deny that Islam is the DIRECT AND EXACT OPPOSITE of what I believe. They find their belief is a stand-alone 7th century religion penned by an illiterate reprobate. But I believe many, and particularly the lurkers who are seeking truth, may begin the process of overcoming the spiritual darkness that they are in.
So where does JTF stand? We are moderates. We just want the muslims out of Israel...
I can't imagine how impossibly frustrating it must be to be constantly betrayed, and sliced and diced, even by people that call themselves your friends. But then we both have this scripture: (Tanach) Zechariah 12:3. And it shall come to pass on that day that I will make Jerusalem a stone of burden for all peoples; all who bear it shall be gashed, and all the nations of the earth shall gather about it.
...and we wish to cut off their food supply by making oil worthless. We want the black antisemitism, gangs, violence, theft, and celebration of immortality to stop. We want to try to save the U.S. from destruction under obama and his anti-American agenda and hatred towards Israel. We wish to save Israel from the elitist leftist traitors in power who wish to give up any part of tiny little Israel by the surrounding enemies.
Me too.
This is a noble and just cause.
I'm glad you support Israel. I'm also glad that you love Hashem. But sometimes good people have bought into the brainwashing of the elite media and feel sorry for those who are trying to kill us.
And no shortage of those that pose as good people that are anti-zionist as well. Take some
"leaders" of the Presbyterian "Church" for example. Their anti-semitism is primarily the result of following an eschatology that was penned by a 17th century Jesuit named Alcazar.
Those who are kind to the cruel, will eventually be cruel to the kind. [/b]There is no excuse for what the muslim world has done, the myriads of innocent victims they have killed, the rejoicing over their deaths, the suicide bombers, jihad and their insane messianic version of the end of the world. These people are not my neighbor. My fellow Jews, my family, my loved ones, righteous gentiles... these are my neighbors. It is a sin to make excuses for people who are so sick and evil. They use islam as an excuse to be a cruel, barbaric, and violent. They promise us a holocaust and we know they're serious because they already perpetrated a holocaust against their own people.
-Shlomo
I don't see them using Islam as "an excuse" to be cruel, barbaric, and violent. They ARE Islamic. The fundamentalists - that best understand Islam in the cradle of the religion - are doing what their false prophet did. Just like Mohammed they are guided by Satan. Islam is a SPIRITUAL CONDITION, not an excuse.
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