falange1 ?

[Zionistforever]

i have thought about it, they are christian, they have many similar ideals as we do, they dispise islam, and they are moderatly establised in america with youth chapters and such. and they love both israel and america, also they hate fascism in all forms. heres a link tell me what you think. oh and i am aware of their symbol. http://www.falange1.com/about1.htm (thats what they are about) http://www.falange1.com/index77.htm (this is there homepage) if there has been problems with them i am sincerely sorry this is the first i have heard about them.

[Zionistforever]

please commenting on this is important i am intrested in them as a possible allie.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I'm pretty sure that Israel was allies with the phalangists against the Muslim nazi hezbollah, PLO, syria etc in Lebanon who massacred hundreds of thousands of Lebanese Christians.   Israel was their ally, that is until the sick self-hating Israeli govt completely backstabbed and betrayed them several years later.   Unless I'm confusing phalanges with something else.

[Lisa]

They sound interesting.  Why not email them?

[schrodinger's cat]

They seem like a nice group but i keep doing a double take because their website symbol looks like the hitler eagle.

[muman613]

Shalom,

It seems they are fascist {Yuck!}...

From wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falange
Falange Española de las J.O.N.S. (better known as Falange or Phalange) is the name assigned to several political movements and parties dating from the 1930s, most particularly the original fascist movement in Spain. The word Falange means phalanx formation in Spanish. This warlike symbol was chosen due to the militaristic nature of the party.

In Spain, the Falange was an extremist political organization founded by José Antonio Primo de Rivera in 1933, during the Second Spanish Republic. Primo de Rivera was a Madrid lawyer, son of General Miguel Primo de Rivera, who governed Spain as Prime Minister with dictatorial power under King Alfonso XIII in the 1920s. General Primo de Rivera believed in state planning and government intervention in the economy. His son and the Falangists he led expressed regret for the demise of the elder Primo de Rivera's regime, and proposed to revive his policies and a program of national-syndicalist social organization.

In style and ideology Falangism was originally similar to Italian fascism. It shared its contempt for Bolshevism and other forms of socialism and its distaste for democracy, as well as its ideological centre-piece of National Syndicalism. Its uniform and aesthetic was similar to contemporary European fascist and national socialist movements. After the party was coopted by Franco and consolidated with the Carlists, it ceased have a fascist character (which seeks a revolutionary transformation of society whereas Franco was conservative), although it retained many of the external trappings of fascism.[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]

During the Spanish Civil War the doctrine of the Falange was used by General Franco, who virtually took possession of its ideology, while José Antonio Primo de Rivera was sentenced to death by the Spanish Republican Government. During the war, and after its founder's death, the Falange was combined by decree (Unification Decree) with the Carlist party, under the sole command of Generalísimo Franco, forming the core of the sole official political organization in Spain, the Falange Española Tradicionalista y de las Juntas de Ofensiva Nacional-Sindicalista, or "Spanish Traditionalist Phalanx of the Assemblies of National-Syndicalist Offensive" (FET y de las JONS). This organization, also known as the National Movement (Movimiento Nacional) after 1945, continued until Franco's death in 1975. Since 1975, Phallangists have diversified into several different political movements which have continued into the 21st Century.

Members of the party were called Falangists (Spanish: Falangistas).

I dont know what they have to do with Judaism...

muman613

[schrodinger's cat]

Shalom,

It seems they are fascist {Yuck!}...

From wikipedia:
I dont know what they have to do with Judaism...

muman613

I though they were facist too because of the hitler eagle on the front page but they have "support the IDF" and "free pollard" banners on the other pages.

[muman613]

Shalom,

Personally I dont think this organization is worthy of a Jew spending time to be friends with... Check out their Beliefs section on that web page... I really dont think a Jew should seek any moral-ethical ideas from the non-Jews.

muman613

Check out Point # 29 of their Beliefs and Commitments:

 29. In a Christian faith that seeks to demonstrate the love of G-d through political service. The principles we want to apply in everyday politics are drawn from the Bible, as well as from Christian political insights through the centuries.

31. In Christian Ecumenism and in the UNITY of ALL Christians be they Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Evangelical or other.  We reject all denominationalism. Those who believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of G-d, Messiah, Redeemer and as their personal savior must come together to defend the rights of the individual to the freedom of conscience and freedom of religion.

32. That our Christianity is a FIGHTING FAITH.  That we have the right and the duty to vigorously defend our rights as Christians, and to defend the rights of fellow Christians around the world.

PS: That cross was a sign from the Crusaders who murdered innocent Jews... I dont like this symbol at all.

The Jerusalem Cross was first used as a coat of arms for the Latin Kingdom in Jerusalem. During the Crusades, it was referred to as the "Crusader Cross". The four "T" arms are symbolic of the four Gospels proclaimed to the four corners of the earth, beginning in Jerusalem; the cross symbolizes the person of Christ.

PPS: Christianity != Judaism

[Zionistforever]

They seem like a nice group but i keep doing a double take because their website symbol looks like the hitler eagle.

i understand, i was very worried with what i had first seen however http://www.falange1.com/declaration.htm in their declaration they support jews living in our homeland, and  are completly against any antisemitism

[Rubystars]

I thought phalanges were finger bones.

[Zionistforever]

Shalom,

It seems they are fascist {Yuck!}...

From wikipedia:
I dont know what they have to do with Judaism...

muman613

err that was a different group, this is the christian group and i understand being skeptical this is coming out of nowhere

[Zionistforever]

I thought phalanges were finger bones.

lol yes, falange is not the same as phalange

[Rubystars]

lol yes, falange is not the same as phalange

That's the biologist mind in me.  I think it's also for toe bones.

In elementary school they made us do this dance where we sung the names of all the bones and had to touch that part on our bodies. It was funny.

[Zionistforever]

That's the biologist mind in me.  I think it's also for toe bones.

In elementary school they made us do this dance where we sung the names of all the bones and had to touch that part on our bodies. It was funny.

lol on a serious note though, the falange arent our mortal enemies, they support Judaism, they support Israel, they hate muslims, libs and also they hate fascism. the eagle i will admit is naziesc, but i think it is to symbolize patriotism.

[Zionistforever]

Shalom,

Personally I dont think this organization is worthy of a Jew spending time to be friends with... Check out their Beliefs section on that web page... I really dont think a Jew should seek any moral-ethical ideas from the non-Jews.

muman613

Check out Point # 29 of their Beliefs and Commitments:

 29. In a Christian faith that seeks to demonstrate the love of G-d through political service. The principles we want to apply in everyday politics are drawn from the Bible, as well as from Christian political insights through the centuries.

31. In Christian Ecumenism and in the UNITY of ALL Christians be they Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Evangelical or other.  We reject all denominationalism. Those who believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of G-d, Messiah, Redeemer and as their personal savior must come together to defend the rights of the individual to the freedom of conscience and freedom of religion.

32. That our Christianity is a FIGHTING FAITH.  That we have the right and the duty to vigorously defend our rights as Christians, and to defend the rights of fellow Christians around the world.

PS: That cross was a sign from the Crusaders who murdered innocent Jews... I dont like this symbol at all.
PPS: Christianity != Judaism

although it states that it also states this  23. That the U.S. should boycott and stop all foreign aid to nations that persecute or permit the persecution of Christians and Jews.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Shalom,

Personally I dont think this organization is worthy of a Jew spending time to be friends with... Check out their Beliefs section on that web page... I really dont think a Jew should seek any moral-ethical ideas from the non-Jews.

muman613

Check out Point # 29 of their Beliefs and Commitments:

 29. In a Christian faith that seeks to demonstrate the love of G-d through political service. The principles we want to apply in everyday politics are drawn from the Bible, as well as from Christian political insights through the centuries.

31. In Christian Ecumenism and in the UNITY of ALL Christians be they Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, Evangelical or other.  We reject all denominationalism. Those who believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of G-d, Messiah, Redeemer and as their personal savior must come together to defend the rights of the individual to the freedom of conscience and freedom of religion.

32. That our Christianity is a FIGHTING FAITH.  That we have the right and the duty to vigorously defend our rights as Christians, and to defend the rights of fellow Christians around the world.

PS: That cross was a sign from the Crusaders who murdered innocent Jews... I dont like this symbol at all.
PPS: Christianity != Judaism

Muman, I can understand you not wanting to associate with a non-Jewish organization, but how does the fact that they are a Christian organization prove that they are fascists or anti-Semites?

Please explain that.

[Zionistforever]

Muman, I can understand you not wanting to associate with a non-Jewish organization, but how does the fact that they are a Christian organization prove that they are fascists or anti-Semites?

Please explain that.

thank you.

[Rubystars]

I don't trust this group, sorry.

[muman613]

thank you.

Zionistforever,

As you see I did some rudimentary research {on the link you included and wikipedia}. According to wikipedia the Falangists are fascists. I really dont know about them, but judging from their choice of symbols {The 'Jerusalem' Cross, a symbol of the Crusaders where countless Jews lost their life} and from their 'mission' statement, I come to the conclusion that this group has alterior motives for their pro-Israel stance.

muman613

[muman613]

lol on a serious note though, the falange arent our mortal enemies, they support Judaism, they support Israel, they hate muslims, libs and also they hate fascism. the eagle i will admit is naziesc, but i think it is to symbolize patriotism.

The symbol is the 'Jerusalem' Cross which was used by the Invaders of Jerusalem.

muman613

[Zionistforever]

there are two different falangists the fascist spanish one and the christian one

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Are you saying that they are replacement-theologians who "support Israel" because they think Israel belongs to the Christians?

Personally I have no idea who this group is, and thus have no opinion on what they really stand for, but we have to produce actual evidence that they are anti-Semites if we want to assert that they are.

[muman613]

Are you saying that they are replacement-theologians who "support Israel" because they think Israel belongs to the Christians?

Personally I have no idea who this group is, and thus have no opinion on what they really stand for, but we have to produce actual evidence that they are anti-Semites if we want to assert that they are.

C.F.,

My point is not that they are anti-semites. I am against it because of its relationship to the Crusaders. I really hate the Crusaders and the Inquisitioners. The Spanish were very cruel to the Jews and I do not forgive them, especially zealous Christian falangists who use the symbol of the Crusaders, that ghastly cross which was a symbol on the flag which was flown over the 'occupied' Jerusalem.

muman613

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

You have a point, and am with you 100% that the Crusaders/Inquisitionist Nazis (yimach schmam vezichram) must never be forgiven, but was this style of cross exclusively used by the Crusaders?

I don't know much about this era/phase of Christianity (besides that it was nasty), much less the particular symbols involved. I would recommend somebody who is curious emailing this group, but I don't take it many of us would be comfortable doing so.

[muman613]

You have a point, and am with you 100% that the Crusaders/Inquisitionist Nazis (yimach schmam vezichram) must never be forgiven, but was this style of cross exclusively used by the Crusaders?

I don't know much about this era/phase of Christianity (besides that it was nasty), much less the particular symbols involved. I would recommend somebody who is curious emailing this group, but I don't take it many of us would be comfortable doing so.

C.F.,

From their own website I found the following:

http://www.falange1.com/symbols1.htm

http://www.falange1.com/cross1.htm

The Crutch-Cross, Crusader's Cross or Jerusalem Cross

 "What more fitting symbol for a pro-Israeli political party than the Jerusalem Cross"
Jeff Rosen, Philadelphia

A sign used in seventeenth century chemistry for crucible, i.e. a pot in which for instance metals were melted. This sign was also used for acids in alchemy and old chemistry. Hydrochloric acid.

This sign is also known as the Crutch cross, the Jerusalem cross, or the Crusader's cross.

This is the cross that was on the papal banner given to the crusaders by Pope Urban II in the middle ages. Geoffrey of Bouillon conqueror of Jerusalem used the symbol and that is where it got its name.

This cross also was adopted as the symbol of the Hermandad de Jesús Nazareno in Spain, which was founded by way of the concessions of the Catholic Pope Inocencio XIII, sometime between 1432 and 1492, and this brotherhood was established in the monastery of Nuestro Padre San Francisco, de Xerez de la Frontera, in Spain, where the cults of Santiago and Jesús Nazareno were both propagated and advanced.

The cult of Santiago was a warrior cult, and this was connected with the conquest of Moorish Spain by the Christians, and later with the conquest of the Americas by the conquistadores.

The cult of Jesús Nazareno was a penitent cult, which featured (and still does) rituals of self-flagellation and which had much to do with the propagation of the penitent cults in Northern New Mexico, in the United States.

The Jerusalem Cross was first used as a coat of arms for the Latin Kingdom in Jerusalem. During the Crusades, it was referred to as the "Crusader Cross". The four "T" arms are symbolic of the four Gospels proclaimed to the four corners of the earth, beginning in Jerusalem; the cross symbolizes the person of Christ.

It was also the symbol used by the Christian Nationalist government of Austria from 1933 until the nazis took over that country in 1938.

Check it out, they are not shy about their history...

muman613

PS: I have to rectify posting such an obscene image...