Why is there a Save Serbia? (Warning Graphic Pictures in Thread)

[muman613]

I have a simple question for you though. If you wish to be taken seriously here on this forum and if indeed you are Jewish, then why are you - as a JEW - quoting a pro-Ustasha Holocaust-denying BOSNIAN MUSLIM NAZI blog site on Wordpress which contains such laughable examples of Taqiyya muslim Nazi lies such as this priceless gem:

Ok, oops.. I didn't realize..  i just was typing quickly and googled serbian nazis.. my mistake.. I will find another site then..  I don't know much of Serbia being nazi state, except I know it has an emerging neo-nazi movement, like its brother country, Russia.  Forgive me and I will remove the link and find better one.   I am 100% Ashkenazi Jew, with family from Ukraine, Russia and Poland.  My grand mother escaped nazis in Ukranian village.  All people in her village are dead now, as the nazis came there and forced them all to dig their own graves before shooting all of them.  If you like to visit some of my relatives in Ukraine, you can go visit local Jewish cemetary.  Assuming it has not bee ncompletely desecrated with swastikas or turned into a shopping mall.

Shalom AryehYehudah,

You and I are like brothers. My family is from Ukraine and Poland and our cities were demolished in Pogroms. The city of Uman was the site of a pogrom which killed over 50,000 Jews. The goyim were barbarians and I am so glad my family got out of there in the late 1890s early 1900s.

I dont really understand the situation in Serbia. But we have been persecuted in every country we have lived except for the United States. My family has flourished in this country.

muman613

[AryehYehudah]

I have a simple question for you though. If you wish to be taken seriously here on this forum and if indeed you are Jewish, then why are you - as a JEW - quoting a pro-Ustasha Holocaust-denying BOSNIAN MUSLIM NAZI blog site on Wordpress which contains such laughable examples of Taqiyya muslim Nazi lies such as this priceless gem:

Ok, oops.. I didn't realize..  i just was typing quickly and googled serbian nazis.. my mistake.. I will find another site then..  I don't know much of Serbia being nazi state, except I know it has an emerging neo-nazi movement, like its brother country, Russia.  Forgive me and I will remove the link and find better one.   I am 100% Ashkenazi Jew, with family from Ukraine, Russia and Poland.  My grand mother escaped nazis in Ukranian village.  All people in her village are dead now, as the nazis came there and forced them all to dig their own graves before shooting all of them.  If you like to visit some of my relatives in Ukraine, you can go visit local Jewish cemetary.  Assuming it has not bee ncompletely desecrated with swastikas or turned into a shopping mall.

Shalom AryehYehudah,

You and I are like brothers. My family is from Ukraine and Poland and our cities were demolished in Pogroms. The city of Uman was the site of a pogrom which killed over 50,000 Jews. The goyim were barbarians and I am so glad my family got out of there in the late 1890s early 1900s.

I dont really understand the situation in Serbia. But we have been persecuted in every country we have lived except for the United States. My family has flourished in this country.

muman613

Shalom Muman,
Yes, its nice to hear from you my brother and I feel your suffering and I think you can relate to me on these issues.  Some Gentiles will gloat over my complaints, thinking I am just whining.  They say how can I say anything against Christianity or life in Eastern Europe.  One Serbian here had the nerve to tell me, that a Jew have no right to be a leader in Russsia, cause he is not Orthodox CHristian.  Even though we lived there 1000+ years and suffered with our blood for these countries.  I think many of them will turn a blind eye to the fact that many years of our suffering we faced under European Christian rule.  Many here talk about how tolerant their religions were, but in reality , the CHristians in the USA were the only people who gave us refuge and because of them we have the second largest Jewish population in the world here.  What we face from the Muslims today, we almost faced from our European hosts 100s of years ago.  As for those who support Russia, Russia and its Otrhodoxy, are still as anti-semitic as many arab nations, am I suppose to keep quiet about that too?

Shalom MasterWolf,
I never actually insulted the vatican.  I think the Serbian members of the board I conversed with earlier (please read their posts on this board), did much more slandering of the Catholic church than I did.   I don't recall even saying much about it, but let me say this now.  Please, don't be offended, I will respect many CHristians/Cathoilcs, but I will not close my eyes to persecution that Christians/Catholics have done to Jews in the past.  Nonetheless, I think there is many Catholics who support Israel and have made good friends with Jews, like yourself.  There is however many Catholics who still hate Jews, every bit as much as Muslims, such as The Poles?  Do you deny that Jews are not hated in Catholic country of Poland?   Personally, I think Jews have done well in some Catholic countries, like Italy, but I also will not deny that the Spanish Catholics did a good job trying to obliterate us "CHrist killers".  Even during those days, we had to run to a Muslim country to seek refuge from Christians.  What an unfortunate time for us.  I know the tides have turned; I am not blind.   One thing you should understand, you're not Jewish, you never been called a "Christ killer" or many of the hundreds of names I have by both Muslims and CHristians, probably.  It attacks me on the inside and I have a resentment amongst some Christians.  WHen I was young boy at school, some bad kids make fun of me saying, "Jews are bad, they murdered Jesus".   I have learned to respect the good Christians who love Israel and don't antagonize by siding with her enemies.  Read these posts again, before you criticize me, thank you.  Pardon my hard feelings of Christian/Catholic faith, I know it can be very good, when people follow it kind teachings and don't use it as a weapon to force our conversions and opppress us.

I will serve side by side with you, if you are pro-Israel, pro-American, anti-Fascist, anti-Russian, anti-Islam..   Shalom Alecheim.

[4International]

Shalom AryehYehudah,

you wrote earlier "Sorry for being a bit overzealous here, I know  I have the habit of overstepping boundaries."

you assessed yourself quite well. You really need to throttle back a bit and remember that you began this thread with comments such as:

"Why does a Jewish website support a country [Serbia] that has been preaching that Jews are lowlife Christ killers."

"I think all Orthodox Christian countries should go to hell with rest of islamonazi bastards."


"How come none of you guys talk about Serbia's nazi past?"

"Just because the Germans massacred a number of Serbians, who were fighting for their own country, not for us Jews, doesn't make them noble people or our friends."

Of course you were dead wrong on all of the above - especially the part about "Serbia's nazi past". You were conflating your family experiences of terrible suffering in the former USSR republic of Ukraine at the hands of Russians - whose religion is Christian Orthodox - and the fact that Serbia is also a Christian Orthodox country which is a traditional ally of Russia.

You were condemning the Serbs for the crimes of the Russians since they are traditional allies and share the same Christian faith.This is a wrong-headed approach. While I can totally understand your pain and anger at the Russians for what they did to your family you were so quick to condemn the Serbs as a nation that you ended up posting a link from a Bosnian muslim nazi Holocaust-denying blog on how the Serbs were supposedly Nazis during WW2. A little bit ironic wouldn't you say?

You were talking with your heart and not thinking with your head which is why you just quickly typed in "Serbian Nazis" into Google and ended up posting a link to a Holocaust-denying Bosnian muslim Nazi blog which glorifies and celebrates the Bosnian muslim "Handschar" SS division who incidentally were guilty of cutting the hearts and intestines out of living Jews, Serbs and Roma during the Holocaust in the Ustasha Nazi  "Independent State of Croatia" (NDH).

This Bosnian muslim SS division was set up by Heinrich Himmler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, the Arab antisemite and co-architect of the Holocaust who just happened to be Yasser Arafat's uncle - Hajj Amin al Husseini!! THIS SS DIVISION  EVEN WORE THE CROATIAN FLAG ON THEIR UNIFORMS ALONG WITH THE TURKISH SWORD "HANDSCHAR" ON THEIR COLLARS.

13.SS-Waffen-Gebirgs-Division der SS
"Handschar" (Croat No. 1)


















I am very happy that you removed that link and I presume by now you are sufficiently well informed to realize that Serbia and the Serbs were not Nazis during the Holocaust and that they were not just fighting nobly on behalf of their own country but that they paid an enormous price by sacrificing countless Serbian lives in Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Krajina, Croatia, Slovenia - all up well over 1.7 Million Serbs were killed in these territories during the Holocaust.

I agree with you and MarZutra that the Russians are lying to the Serbs by playing good cop against the United States. The Russians stood by and did NOTHING for Serbia - even agreeing to devastating UN sanctions in May of 1992 aftger the Bosnian muslims perpetrated a massacre against their very own people in a bread queue in the Bosnian capital of Sarajevo.

While Israel's Mossad was covertly sending ammunition to the Bosnian Serbs, the United States under George Herbert Walker Bush (Bush Snr), William Jefferson - "I did not have sex with that woman" - Clinton and now George Bandar Wahabbi Bush Jnr worked in full co-operation with the Iranians, Saudi Arabia and the Organization of Islamic Countries [OIC] Conference IN ARMING THE BOSNIAN AND ALBANIAN MUSLIM TERRORISTS AND IN ARMING THE USTASHA NAZI CROATS. These traitorous US leaders - bothe Republican and Democrat - WORKED HAND IN GLOVE WITH THE MUSLIM TERRORISTS IN ORDER TO HAND OVER ON A SILVER PLATTER the Serbs' own 1,000 year old "Jerusalem" - their Kosovo and Metohija - to the Albanian muslim drug dealing, bodily organ dissecting/trafficking and child-sex slavery racketeering Islamofascist Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) terrorists.

MarZutra is 100% correct that America is run by a globalist supranational socialist elite (eg the CFR, Trilateral and Bilderberg groups) who believe in WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE MUSLIMS AND COMMUNISTS in furtherance of their goal of the destruction of nation states like Israel and Serbia.

 These US and EU elitists openly declare in their speeches and publications (like the CFR journal "Foreign Affairs") that such nation states and the concept of national sovereignty ARE OBSOLETE! These Western elitists whom run the US and European Union believe in their destiny to rule the globe in a one-world government.

This talk of a "one-world government" is no paranoid "conspiracy theory". These US and EU political elites OPENLY admit it in their own publications!

These USand EU elites have supported Iran and other third world despotic muslim hell holes in the Middle East FOR DECADES and continue to support such Islamofascist despots in acquiring nuclear weapons and have pressured the White House and Israel NOT to attack Iran!!

Need HARD PROOF? Well I'm glad you asked! Read below!
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"CFR to Bush: Stop Israeli strike on Iran's nuke sites!"

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM

A report by the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations urged the Bush administration to stop any Israeli attempt to strike Iran's nuclear facilities.

The council warned that such an Israeli attack would be blamed on the United States and hurt its interests in the region.

"Since Washington would be blamed for any unilateral Israeli military strike, the United States should, in any case, make it quite clear to Israel that U.S. interests would be adversely affected by such a move," the report, entitled "Iran: Time for a New Approach," said.

The U.S. report, drafted by an independent task force sponsored by the council, said Washington should resolve concerns over Iran's nuclear weapons program by coordinating with the European Union. But the council ruled out any military attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.

"In addition, any military effort to eliminate Iranian weapons capabilities runs the significant risk of reinforcing Teheran's desire to acquire a nuclear deterrent and of provoking nationalist passions in defense of that very course," the task force said. "It would most likely generate also hostile Iranian initiatives in Iraq and Afghanistan."

The report also said direct U.S. efforts to overthrow the Iranian clerical regime would not succeed. The council said the regime could eventually provide greater liberties to its people.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2004/ss_israel_07_30.html

http://www.cfr.org/pdf/Iran_TF.pdf


BOTH BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA and JOHN MCCAIN ARE MEMBERS OF THE GLOBALIST CFR AND AS SUCH MUST - BY DEFINITION -  AGREE WITH THE CFR'S , ANTI-AMERICAN ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL, PRO-GLOBALIST ONE-WORLD GOVERNMENT GOALS

[AryehYehudah]

Shalom,
Ok Good response.  Pardon my ignorance on Serbia.  Please stop bashing my head over the link, I removed it.  It was mistake, I was trigger happy.  You know why I acted like this: A. I don't know much of Serbia, 2. The only thing I know about Serbia is from Pro-Russian, Anti-America posts on this board.  I got inflamed from reading all their propaganda type posts.  Sorry your mad and yes I am out of steam.  IF Serbia is a Christian ally of Russia, do they support the same type of teachings against Jews in their churches?  I suppose from what I read, Serbians did not involve  themselves in pogroms and murders of Jews, like Russians.    Please, read some of these posts and you can see they are not directed against just America's left, some of these anti-American posts are agasinst the foundations of America, that is what angered me.   I don't like hearing people supporting Russia (Putin), Chavez, Castro, saying America attacks poor countries.  THis is the same stuff I hear from Barack Hussein Obama.  Ok, as i Told u earlier, if Serbians were not so pro-Russian, maybe I would have been there to give them support against the ALbano-nazis .  I have plenty of enemies in USA, so do I go around insulting USA and praising Russia?  Sorry, don't mean to be blunt and I hope I am not slapped for this, but I think many Serbians here are cop-outs.  And, if they are friends of Russia, they are not my friend.  That is my two-cents.  Sorry if I am hated, reviled for speaking my mind.

BTW.. I know Bosnian, mufti-Al Husseini is the founder of Palestine and I know Croatia is a neo-nazi state..  I don't really personally think Jews have any friends in the Balkans or any place in Europe.

P.S. I posted this twice, since you posted your response on both threads.

[4International]

Shalom AryehYehudah,

thanks for your great reply. I think that some of our Serbian friends here are reacting to America in a very similar way that - understandably - you are reacting towards Russia - out of deep hurt and anger. They are fooled into believing that Russia will help them because they are of the same Christian Orthodox faith and Russia came to their aid in the wars against muslim Turkey in the 19th  century and came to their defense against the Germans, Austrians and Hungarians in World War 1.But Russia was really fighting for its own interests in many ways.

What makes the betrayal so much worse and painful for the Serbs is that the Serbs fought heroically and nobly on OUR [USA/ALLIED] SIDE in TWO WORLD WARS, whereas Russia/USSR was at least understood to be an enemy of Israel from the 1960's onwards especially.

Chaim did a great video on this US/European betrayal of the Serbs entitled:

"The Betrayal Of the Heroic Serbs"

I highly recommend that you view it - link below:

http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=2474202


Shalom,

Joshua.

[Ambiorix]

AryehYehudah :

<< One Serbian here had the nerve to tell me, that a Jew have no right to be a leader in Russsia, cause he is not Orthodox CHristian.  Even though we lived there 1000+ years and suffered with our blood for these countries.  >>

Chaim Ben Pesach says the Jews must NOT rule Gentile countries. If I am right, it is against Thora.
But it is not my will to teach Jews Thora here.

Assimilation is bad for Jews, also in this regard, it is indeed bad that Jews would rule Gentile's countries.



<<I think many of them will turn a blind eye to the fact that many years of our suffering we faced under European Christian rule.  >>

i noticed that too. That is rather self-hating of them.


<<Many here talk about how tolerant their religions were, but in reality , the CHristians in the USA were the only people who gave us refuge and because of them we have the second largest Jewish population in the world here.  >>

Some of these Christians fled away from religious wars in Europe and moved to America.
But do not forget, that also in Europe, some individuals saved Jews from the Nazis, or from the Spanish Inquisition.



<<What we face from the Muslims today, we almost faced from our European hosts 100s of years ago.  As for those who support Russia, Russia and its Otrhodoxy, are still as anti-semitic as many arab nations.>>

That is correct. And that's why I advise all Jews to return to Israel, and make it's future safe.

[AryehYehudah]

AryehYehudah :

<< One Serbian here had the nerve to tell me, that a Jew have no right to be a leader in Russsia, cause he is not Orthodox CHristian.  Even though we lived there 1000+ years and suffered with our blood for these countries.  >>

Chaim Ben Pesach says the Jews must NOT rule Gentile countries. If I am right, it is against Thora.
But it is not my will to teach Jews Thora here.

Assimilation is bad for Jews, also in this regard, it is indeed bad that Jews would rule Gentile's countries.



<<I think many of them will turn a blind eye to the fact that many years of our suffering we faced under European Christian rule.  >>

i noticed that too. That is rather self-hating of them.


<<Many here talk about how tolerant their religions were, but in reality , the CHristians in the USA were the only people who gave us refuge and because of them we have the second largest Jewish population in the world here.  >>

Some of these Christians fled away from religious wars in Europe and moved to America.
But do not forget, that also in Europe, some individuals saved Jews from the Nazis, or from the Spanish Inquisition.



<<What we face from the Muslims today, we almost faced from our European hosts 100s of years ago.  As for those who support Russia, Russia and its Otrhodoxy, are still as anti-semitic as many arab nations.>>

That is correct. And that's why I advise all Jews to return to Israel, and make it's future safe.

DO you mean the Holy Torah, what is Thora??   Well the leadership issue is Chaim's opinion, I have mine.  I am not an ultra-orthodox Jew and many Jews will voice different opiniohns.  Some even say we are not to live in Israel until Messiah comes.   I, myself believe that Israel is still colonized and needs to be recaptured.  If I was president of USA, this dream can be a greater reality.  Why should I wait for a gentile to save me and my people, if people have given me the ability to do it?   If Jews shed their blood in a country and their blood makes the grass grow, that in my opinion is not a pure gentile country.   King Shlomo had advisers and rulers with domiinon over pagan lands at times, as I recall.  Believe it or not, us Jews had a very large empire at one time and a kingdom that was vast.  Really, I could care less about ruling a country that oppressed my people.  However, it is the concept that they tell a man who has "Russian Orthodox faith" , because he has Jewish genes, that he is not allowed to rule the country.  That is nazism and Russians follow it more than any other country in Europe.  Deny if you will, truth hurts.  Many were saying that the current Prime Minister of Russia should not lead, cause they believe he has JEwish blood.  Bunch of nazi scumbags in my opinion!  Pardon me for being shrewd.  As for Russian Eugenics, they are not so pure and why they single out Jews, when even there is Islamic people in their parliament is beyond me.

You see that little dot on the map they call Israel, that is not even close to our entire land.  How do we cram 6 million Jews and 1 million arabs in an area the size of San Francisco bay area is beyond me.  As you know, us Jews hardly have a country still. So the best way to get it is to be leaders, and partake in our current homes while we are forced to live away.  I mean, the Kingdom of Isarel expanded so very far and thanks to Roman and Arab thievery, we are left with so little.  Even our very home, Jerusalem is under threat to be divided and given to arab nazi slugs.

 So for you to say I must be slave and never take a high position in government, cause I am not as good as you, that is I am a Jew, not a CHristian, I find to be unjust.  Yes, if me and my forefathers have lived in your country, paid taxes to your government, fought in your wars, speak your language, I feel we deserve to be part of your government.  Yes, we can even lead your country to.  Us Jews have made some very great and mighty leaders.  The deadbeats you seen as of late are the result of non-religious and self-hating Jews who are more or less elected by European governments and brainwashed self-hating Jews.   I believe G-d rules heaven and earth and his throne is in Jerusalem, but we are to be scattered around the globe.  So, should we just hide and have no power, so that the next group of anti-semites can exterminate us?  I think not. 

One thing is Chaim is stuck in America.  I read his article.  He is very political type of guy and a great speaker.. I think he ought to consider running for president of USA, since Israel has banned him (compliments to the Russians and Arabs).   He would make a wonderful American president and do much to help Israel and the world.  He has my vote.

[Ambiorix]

Hi AryehYehudah,

You seem to think I have a hostile attitude towards Jews that live in exile.
I assure you that is not the case.
I know lots of Jews in Belgium, and I regularily work together with Jews in my professional life.

I know only a few Jews that are ultra-orthodox though. Most of them are assimilated, atheists.
We hve a community in Antwerpen, that has a diamond business, that represents 5% of Belgium's BBP.
Also lots of high educated Soviet-Jews left Russia, immigrated to Belgium.

From the friends I have that are Jews, I know their life-story very well.
Some of them share the concern over the Islamisation of Europe. However, they want to remain in Europe.

You see that little dot on the map they call Israel, that is not even close to our entire land.  How do we cram 6 million Jews and 1 million arabs in an area the size of San Francisco bay area is beyond me.  As you know, us Jews hardly have a country still. So the best way to get it is to be leaders, and partake in our current homes while we are forced to live away.  I mean, the Kingdom of Isarel expanded so very far and thanks to Roman and Arab thievery, we are left with so little.  Even our very home, Jerusalem is under threat to be divided and given to arab nazi slugs.

 

You must expell all arabs, and conquer Jordania, and at least some other parts of your current neighbours.
cfr. Kahane's book "they must go".

BTW1:
Romans conquered us too, ( I live in the north of Belgium) so we are in the same position.
BTW2:
My name Ambiorix refers to the leader of the Gallic tribe the Eburones, a tribe that was annihilated by the Roman Julius Ceasar.
BTW3:
We Flemish people were brutally murdered, our Protestant Nation was destroyed as well by the Catholic Inquisition and the Spanish Catholic invaders.
In 1585, the city of Antwerpen fell in their hands, all intelligentia left the town, (including the Jews of course, that fled to Antwerp after the Reconquista in Spain).
These Flemish and Jews went to Amsterdam, they gave Holland it's Golden Age, and a few generations their descendants builded New-York (originally called New-Amsterdam).

So for you to say I must be slave and never take a high position in government, cause I am not as good as you, that is I am a Jew, not a CHristian, I find to be unjust. 

I know this may sound like we hate Jews, but you better should not rule in Gentile's countries.
Indeed, You should make Aliah, and be a free man, and a majority in your Israel.
As long as you stay a minority in a Gentile's country, you are not truly free., because you are a minority of less than 5 % in any country of the world.
My position (JTF's position) is that Jews must rule Israel, and that "unrightheous Gentiles" must go, and vice versa.
I don't know if JTF will kick out all non-Jews once they govern Israel, but I guess that is the plan.

One thing is Chaim is stuck in America. 

He is not alowed to enter Israel, because he follows Kahanism. Kahane party Kach was outlawed

I think he ought to consider running for president of USA, since Israel has banned him (compliments to the Russians and Arabs).   He would make a wonderful American president and do much to help Israel and the world.  He has my vote.

He says he will not run for office in the USA, since he is a Jew, and Jews shouldn't rule in Gentile countries.
He definitely could support a Gentile that is a JTF-er though.
Of course, JTF endorses Religous Kingdom of Israel that will be bigger than it is now.

He says it would be wrong if he would take power in the USA.
Just check his videos.

Best regards,
Ambiorix

[Jasmina]

Why is there a Save Serbia?  Because of this :
 http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=2474202

[SerbChicago]

Why is there a Save Serbia?  Because of this :
 http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=2474202

Thank you Mr.Chaim.

[AryehYehudah]

Why is there a Save Serbia?  Because of this :
 http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=2474202

Good video.. I support Serbia against Croats, Albanians and all Muslims.  It is true, America under Clinton betrayed Serbs.  Now Serbs are betraying us Jews by supporting Russia.  Do two wrongs make a right?   Russia is giving money to Arab/Islamic nations to destroy Israel.    Russia has always been our enemy.  I am prepared to fight against Islamic and Nazi devils, Russia included.  My hope is Serbs will align with Israel, not Russians.  I am going to try to find a video where Chaim says that we should support Russia and Venezeula as some people on this board have said.

[Nikola1389]

ok i didn't finish reading all the posts,but i couldn't help reply to few things i have read

most serbs should oppose russia,and support america etc

yeah,totaly why the hell would we support a country that we are kin with,better a country that bombed us with toxic waste,who bombed military targets the leest,and targeted economic targets witch set us back 100 years,yes,lets try to be an ally with a country that after beeing they'r allys 2 times bombed us harder then the nazis in ww2(i'm talking about the ally bombardment of serbia at the end of ww2,"chaseing out the nazis"by bombing big serbian cits that had ben free for months)and then again evin after we still stood as allys bomb us and destroy the cradle of our civilisation(kosovo)and chase our ppl from our land and give it to our poturice(serbs that accepted muslim rel. in the turkish times,and to the catolised,then croatolised serbs)we serbs looked to america as its good-ol ally b4 the 90's,like hey they fight for liberty blah blah we support that! etc
Yeah,lets oppose the russians,g-d,who knows we might get bombed again for our obediance hmm?

And we serbs aswell as the russians don't h8 Georgian brothers!!!!We h8 /////skshasvili(sakasvili)georgians and russians are kin,and just becous Georgians r on ur side u safely presume that they'r ortodox church is kind to jews?-.-"
I h8 sakasvili 4 what he has done to the georgians,and since you mentioned kosovo and ossetia,you say that it would be wrong to liberate kosovo now after albania annexed it?(nato and america i mean)we don't have the right to reclame it the same way they took it?They destroyed some 200 ancient ortdx. churches there,while i'm not all that godfearing etc,that is my legacy and culture,and if you let somebody destroy that,if you forsake that,u do not deserve to live as a human,much less to have a country of ur own

And we serbs had alot of famous foreigners in our country that r highly respected,we indeed had jews,we had others,like Nikola Pasic who was partly Tsinsar(dunno how u call them in eng)
Seeing you and ppl like you(Madlin olbright for one)we serbs should have joined the axes,hitler promised us ALOT of land if we joined,becous he was in serbia in ww1 as an austrian solider,get mud troughn in his face,thats why he h8ed us,or we could have just let his army march tough to Greece,and don't turn to communisam,and lose 50k minimum Higly educated ppl,atleest a 1000 extrmly educated ppl witch the commys killed in belgrade and the germans aswell,for all that we get a slap in the face today from ppl like u.

TY

[Nikola1389]

The Vatican was main responsible to the lauch of communism on Russian and Serbian soil! David Duke and others want to blame the Jews for the faults of the West.

You Jews were for 2000 prosecuted by the Vatican and we Orthodox nation were for 1000 years long prosecuted by the same Vatican.

We have common enemies.

When all reasonable argument fails blame it on the Vatican 

ohhhhhh,so you like jokeing about genocide,persecution,cultural destruction banishment etnic cleansing etc?? ok!:
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[Lisa]

For your information, Nikola, CJD, who is a wonderful JTF'er and a moderator, is a Catholic. 

Also, I do not appreciate your joke about Jews.  So you're out of here. 

[DALMACIJA]

For your information, Nikola, CJD, who is a wonderful JTF'er and a moderator, is a Catholic. 

Also, I do not appreciate your joke about Jews.  So you're out of here. 

CJD made a joke about the Vatican involement in the lauch of communism in Russia and Serbia!

[Lisa]

Dalmacija, this is first and foremost, a Jewish forum.  The reason why we have a Serbian subforum is because Chaim feels very strongly about the Serbs having their own homeland. 

So aside from the Serbian section, we have wonderful Catholic members, Protestants, atheists, and a few Hindus.  I know you guys dislike the Roman Catholic church.  But you have to remember that there are not just Serbians here. 

And most importantly CJD's attempt to defend his religion is no excuse whatsoever for Nikola's joke about Jews in ovens.

[DALMACIJA]

And most importantly CJD's attempt to defend his religion is no excuse whatsoever for Nikola's joke about Jews in ovens.

You are right! Good that you have deleted that strange "joke".
I agree with you on that!

Dalmacija, this is first and foremost, a Jewish forum. 

Oke, I indeed forgot that this forum is in first place a Jewish forum and not a pro Slavic nationalistic forum.

  The reason why we have a Serbian subforum is because Chaim feels very strongly about the Serbs having their own homeland. 

Well we were the most tolerant people towards the Jews, historically.
Serbian nationalism had never a problem with Jews of other groups of people.

According to you we only have a forum because of Chaim's sympathy towards the Serbs?
I hope that the JTF's chairman is not the only one who wants us to have our own subforum?

So aside from the Serbian section, we have wonderful Catholic members, Protestants, atheists, and a few Hindus.  I know you guys dislike the Roman Catholic church.  But you have to remember that there are not just Serbians here. 

Do you have also Muslims on this forum?
We Serbs do not hate Catholics. I they want to believe in their own way that their choice. Catholics on Serbian territories were always sovereign to practice their religion in public. Even during the war the Catholics had civil rights in Serbian republics.
We never aimed for the collective banishment of the Catholics population out of Serbia, even after the genocides.

But the Vatican is not the same as the regular Catholic people.
If we do not agree with the Vatican's intentions towards the Orthodox world we are not automatically also against regular Catholic people.
All our accusations towards the Vatican are confirmed with historical facts.

[Lisa]

Well we were the most tolerant people towards the Jews, historically.
Serbian nationalism had never a problem with Jews of other groups of people.

According to you we only have a forum because of Chaim's sympathy towards the Serbs?
I hope that the JTF's chairman is not the only one who wants us to have our own subforum?

No, don't get me wrong.  I brought up Chaim because it was from his public television shows that I learned about the whole Serbian situation.  What Chaim says is also confirmed by the wonderful right wing Jewish blogger Julia Gorin.  And I agree completely with both Chaim and Julia.  Furthermore, I met Jasmina at Vito Vaccaro's press conference, and she seems like a very nice girl. 

Now to answer your other questions, we don't have Muslims on the forum.  The very few who are curious end up leaving, or they get banned.

While we can certainly agree that the Roman Catholic Church has not had the best history with the Serbs and Jews, I don't think it's fair to hold that over the heads of our wonderful Catholic members, who are sympathetic to your cause. 

[DALMACIJA]

[While we can certainly agree that the Roman Catholic Church has not had the best history with the Serbs and Jews, I don't think it's fair to hold that over the heads of our wonderful Catholic members, who are sympathetic to your cause. 

No but...   



The heads of the Vatican institution, historically, had never recognized the Catholic genocide against the Orthodox Serbs. They never acknowledge the Croatian crimes, in the name of their faith, against 800.000 Orthodox Serbs in death camp Jasenovac.   
We never received a honest apology, neither will they  ever confess that Croatia's government, during WW2, was sponsored by the Vatican.

Before WW2, we Serbs were constantly prosecuted by the Vatican.
A great number of our people was catholized by the Vatican and they call their selves today Croatians. Even during the collapse of Yugoslavia the Vatican was one of those Western states which had openly recognized the independence of Croatia and Bosnia.

I can continue for days….

[syyuge]

With the understanding of Chaim and explanation of Lisa, the matter should be amicably clear to our Serb friends.

Everybody need not to agree with Vatican on one or all matters. But since last 1400 years, the contradiction between the Muzzie dictatorial terrorism Vs Rest of the world has consistently remained the Prime global contradiction withstanding throughout the whole epoch.

All other severe contradictions created by the likes of Genghiz Khan, Napoleon, Imperialism, WWI & II, Bolshevism etc. were Focal but temporary contradictions.

The worst situation has emerged today when contradictions are altering and sharpening so fast that the contradiction between the Muzzie dictatorial terrorism Vs Rest of the world has not only remained the Prime global contradiction but has also turned itself in to the Focal contradiction. This has created a unique situation when the Prime global contradiction and the Focal contradiction are only one and the same. Hence all other Vatican like contradictions are obliged to enact as subservient to them. This all with the rider that all things are with G_d.

[Kerber]

Why is there a Save Serbia?  Because of this :
 http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/showVideo.asp?m=2474202

Good video.. I support Serbia against Croats, Albanians and all Muslims.  It is true, America under Clinton betrayed Serbs.  Now Serbs are betraying us Jews by supporting Russia.  Do two wrongs make a right?   Russia is giving money to Arab/Islamic nations to destroy Israel.    Russia has always been our enemy.  I am prepared to fight against Islamic and Nazi devils, Russia included.  My hope is Serbs will align with Israel, not Russians.  I am going to try to find a video where Chaim says that we should support Russia and Venezeula as some people on this board have said.

Russia is giving money to Arabs and Muslims?Where are the examples of that?No one gives money to anybody today...
If you mean on their help to Iran(selling weapons and insisting in nucl.program),that's because of USA's aggressive policy.They can't allow to be totally encircled by USA and NATO troops.
But,I can't see how does Russia want to destroy Israel.If Russians want to destroy someone,that wouldn't be a problem for them,trust me.Georgia attacked Russian soldiers in Ossetia,and it could be a total destruction from Russia,bu it wasn't.
And what would be a motive for Russia and Russians to eliminate Israel?Israel is not a threat to Russia.On the other hand,USA with its aggressive policy is.

And,maybe Russia was always enemy to you(and I can't see how is that),but to us Russia was always an ally,crucial ally.
Patriotic Serbs will always support Russia in its effort to resist the aggressive policy of Papacy-EU/USA.
Russia is our number 1 ally and most important friendly nation.Judging by ongoing situation in USA and leading western European countries,that's not going to change,whether you like it or not.

If there is no Russia,today our country would be totally destroyed by USA and NATO.You should know that.

[AryehYehudah]

Russia is giving money to Arabs and Muslims?Where are the examples of that?No one gives money to anybody today...
If you mean on their help to Iran(selling weapons and insisting in nucl.program),that's because of USA's aggressive policy.They can't allow to be totally encircled by USA and NATO troops.
But,I can't see how does Russia want to destroy Israel.If Russians want to destroy someone,that wouldn't be a problem for them,trust me.Georgia attacked Russian soldiers in Ossetia,and it could be a total destruction from Russia,bu it wasn't.
And what would be a motive for Russia and Russians to eliminate Israel?Israel is not a threat to Russia.On the other hand,USA with its aggressive policy is.

And,maybe Russia was always enemy to you(and I can't see how is that),but to us Russia was always an ally,crucial ally.
Patriotic Serbs will always support Russia in its effort to resist the aggressive policy of Papacy-EU/USA.
Russia is our number 1 ally and most important friendly nation.Judging by ongoing situation in USA and leading western European countries,that's not going to change,whether you like it or not.

If there is no Russia,today our country would be totally destroyed by USA and NATO.You should know that.

CHeck out this article,  Putin, Russia and their ally Iran is no friend to us Jewish people:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=961980&contrassID=0&subContrassID=0


The ignorance of people here is astounding.   Many of Serbian people I meet on this board, play deaf, dumb and blind about the atrocities that Russia and its allies have caused to us Jewish people over the years and even today.   Israel is a threat to Russia, because it has a large number of nuclear missles capable of demolishing all of its cities and is a strong ally to the West.  Israel has both a powerful navy and air force and Russia knows it will not be able to prevent the destruction of Moscow and other major cities in the event of a nuclear war.  Russia knows that USA and Israel are both great threats, that is why Russia has and still is spending a great effort supplying the enemies of USA and Israel with weapons and miltary training.  Russia as of now is supplying Iran and Syria with advanced anti-airfcraft systems to shoot down our Israeli planes so that we cannot halt their "peaceful nuclear program".     From waht I am reading on this board, I can make this conclusion and I am sure people will be infuriated at me.  Serbia was our ally in the past and helped us, bless them for that, but today with their support of Russia and denial of its evil intention.  I believe Serbia and any other Russian ally is as much of an enemy to Jewish state, by ignoring our plight and supporting our enemy.  WHy should we support Serbia and its suffering when they turn a blind eye to our own?   I am not going to advocate supporting Serbia until they reject their anti-West, pro-Leftist, stance.  Nothing good can come of this Israel-Serbian-Russian alliance, except the abolition of the Jewish state.  Perhaps Putin wants us to run back to Russia, in his eyes, Israel is nothing but a thorn in his side.   

You Serbians can hate America all you want, since you make no distinction between the American Left and Right, you can count me as your enemy.  I don't blame you for hating the Leftist American regime for bombing your country.  So, don't mind if I hate you for supporting the people who massacred my people too.

[Jasmina]

  If you don't like us, don't come to our subforum anymore! That's very simple!

[AryehYehudah]

  If you don't like us, don't come to our subforum anymore! That's very simple!

I will be bowing out of this forum and stick to the other ones, so you don't worry.   This has been tiring for me and was not the type of discussion I thought I would encounter on a Pro-Western, Zionist message board.   I hope my debate will bring the attention of other members of this website who feel same about this subject of Serbians bonding with our enemy Russia. 

[MasterWolf1]

You know, I am so sick of people trying to divide us.  So what if I am Catholic and someone else on this forum is Jewish and someone else is Protestant Christian, You all know why we are here?  Cause we got a common purpose.  Instead of fighting among each other why not focus on our enemies?  And the truth of Serbia needs to be told. If the Moslems swallow up Serbia godforbid it will be a catastrophe into Europe.