What do people here think of Germans?

[~Hanna~]

I am part German.....

[Cato]

Do all Saxons from Germany get automatic English citzenship

Nope, too white 

[AryehYehudah]

I was wondering what people here on JTF thinks of Germans in general. I noticed a lot of resentment against them, no doubt due to the holocaust and World War II. I was also wondering if it is okay for Jews and righteous gentiles like myself to attend Oktoberfest? Theres a church down in Augusta celebrating and was invited to attend.

Why would us Jews have any resentments against Germans???      That is absurd.  Not only did they mastermind and carry out the massacre of 6,000,000 Jews, they are still trying to do the same thing today indirectly, by helping and supporting Islamic regimes against Israel. 

I am generally, Krautophobic, although there  is exceptions to the rule.

[~Hanna~]

I was wondering what people here on JTF thinks of Germans in general. I noticed a lot of resentment against them, no doubt due to the holocaust and World War II. I was also wondering if it is okay for Jews and righteous gentiles like myself to attend Oktoberfest? Theres a church down in Augusta celebrating and was invited to attend.

Why would us Jews have any resentments against Germans???      That is absurd.  Not only did they mastermind and carry out the massacre of 6,000,000 Jews, they are still trying to do the same thing today indirectly, by helping and supporting Islamic regimes against Israel. 

I am Krautophobic.

If any of my German ancestors had a part of that horrible plan, please, I ask forgiveness!!!!!! I am just as upset about it as you are........!!! 

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

I hate Amalik. May the day quickly come when they are destroyed. Amen Yehi Ratzon!

[mord]

I hate Amalik. May the day quickly come when they are destroyed. Amen Yehi Ratzon!

THE AMALAKITES WERE BEDOUIN TRIBES

[~Hanna~]

I could be part Jewish because of my maiden name....I have no clue, perhaps I should do some research on the subject.......a Jewish friend of mine's mother told him to tell me once, it is quite possible.....there were many German Jews....

and some Jews had turned their back on their faith because of the holocaust....

I know, because I know someone who is an athiest and he comes from an entire family of athiests and it was because of the Holocaust that they became athiests.....

[Rubystars]

It is right that the atrocities of the Second World War should be remembered, but what we are remembering is the failings of ordinary people such as ourselves.

There is no excuse for being a part of the army of Satan. Nobody should make excuses for Nazi soldiers, especially not on JTF! I hope that's not what you're trying to do.

On the other hand I don't think any nation is immune from evil people taking it over.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Muman, I don't think we should bother wasting time arguing with a Pat Buchanan supporter, particularly on this issue.

However, for the record, here is a quote from Norman Davies' Europe: A History (New York: Oxford University Press, 1996), page 969, on the subject:

In October (1933) Hitler organized a plebiscite to approve Germany's withdrawal from the League of Nations and from the Disarmament Conference. He received 96.3 per cent support. In August 1934, following the President's death, he called another plebiscite to approve his own elevation to the new party-state position of 'Fuhrer and Reich-Chancellor' with full emergency powers. This time he received 90 per cent support... Hitler's democratic triumph exposed the true nature of democracy. Democracy has few values of its own: it is as good, or as bad, as the principles of the people who operate it. In the hands of liberal and tolerant people, it will produce a liberal and tolerant government; in the hands of cannibals, a government of cannibals. In Germany in 1933-4 it produced a Nazi government because the prevailing culture of Germany's voters did not give priority to the exclusion of gangsters.

[t_h_j]

Muman, I don't think we should bother wasting time arguing with a Pat Buchanan supporter, particularly on this issue.

However, for the record, here is a quote from Norman Davies' Europe: A History (New York: Oxford University Press, 1996), page 969, on the subject:

In October (1933) Hitler organized a plebiscite to approve Germany's withdrawal from the League of Nations and from the Disarmament Conference. He received 96.3 per cent support. In August 1934, following the President's death, he called another plebiscite to approve his own elevation to the new party-state position of 'Fuhrer and Reich-Chancellor' with full emergency powers. This time he received 90 per cent support... Hitler's democratic triumph exposed the true nature of democracy. Democracy has few values of its own: it is as good, or as bad, as the principles of the people who operate it. In the hands of liberal and tolerant people, it will produce a liberal and tolerant government; in the hands of cannibals, a government of cannibals. In Germany in 1933-4 it produced a Nazi government because the prevailing culture of Germany's voters did not give priority to the exclusion of gangsters.

Cf, for the record, you just proved yourself to be ignorant again.  How is him receiving 96.3% support for withdrawing from the league the same as "Adolf Hitler won with nearly 100% of the German popular vote in a free and unfettered election"?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Can everybody quiet down for a second? I think I heard some noise... I think I heard a little mouse squeaking around here, but I can't make out what it said...

[t_h_j]

Can everybody quiet down for a second? I think I heard some noise... I think I heard a little mouse squeaking around here, but I can't make out what it said...

truth hurts I guess. 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I admit it, it sure does. *yawn*

[Cato]

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There is no excuse for being a part of the army of Satan. Nobody should make excuses for Nazi soldiers, especially not on JTF! I hope that's not what you're trying to do.
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Of course not. The Nazi leaders were a bunch of thugs. I'm just wishing to explain the behaviour of ordinary people who found themselves involved as party to the Holocaust. If you believe that all Germans are genetic monsters then, OK, there is nothing to discuss. If you don't share that view, then there are points involved which we would all do well to ponder. It took Pearl Harbour, not the Jewish issue, to get the USA involved.

[Rubystars]

If they're all genetic monsters then I am too, and so was my grandfather who fought against them. lol I love Germans, but I have no love for Nazis.

[Cato]

If they're all genetic monsters then I am too, and so was my grandfather who fought against them. lol I love Germans, but I have no love for Nazis.

There was no approval attached to my analysis. 

[briann]

I have pretty much all German heritage on both sides of my family, but both sides of my family were in America long before the Holocaust took place, so I know I'm not a descendant of a Nazi.  I believe that due to recent German history with Nazism and current leftism, that people should be very wary of Germans.  However, I believe that people should like individual Germans who do separate themselves from evil ideologies and who are on the side of G-d and Israel.

Well said!!!

[Cato]

I have pretty much all German heritage on both sides of my family, but both sides of my family were in America long before the Holocaust took place, so I know I'm not a descendant of a Nazi.  I believe that due to recent German history with Nazism and current leftism, that people should be very wary of Germans.  However, I believe that people should like individual Germans who do separate themselves from evil ideologies and who are on the side of G-d and Israel.

To be honest, I think that most British such as myself, with any perception of history, are still wary of the Germans. It will take a generation or two before this disappears. I am also suspicious of the young French and other Europeans of the former Allied countries who deride any special relationship with the UK, conferring this to an older generation and to history. This is just ignorance. If 6 million of my own people had been destroyed by the Germans then I would also be permanently embittered. However, I have to say that the Allied powers, the RCC, the Red Cross and the ordinary people of many of the occupied countries also showed very little concern for what was happening. The railroad to Auchwitz seems to have been one of the few structures left intact by the end of the war. 

[Ulli]

I think we should see the politic and economic reality of today in Germany. And this reality doesn't look bright 

[Rubystars]

I think we should see the reality of today. And this reality doesn't look bright 

It doesn't look bright anywhere. 

[jaime]

I can't condemn an entire group of people.  Pheasant is a member of this community.  I would like to visit beautiful Germany someday.  We are convenient to scapegoat throughout the world.  I was at my dentist's house for a b-day party for his 2 yr. toddler and when I went outside to the b-b-q pit, the caterer started in right away w/me, "there are too many Jews here," in Westwood, CA (the Westside of Los Angeles,) and I said, "I'm Jewish."  I should have thrown the plate down on the ground and smashed the dish.  He had no response for me other than to squirm out of his remark by saying he didn't mean me, or some other crap.  There are a lot of Jewish people in Los Angeles.  They are the ones that provide jobs to people, being a show business town, with top execs who are Jewish, but note, Kelsey Grammer, said yesterday, "We stay quiet, stay home and swim in our swimming pools."  On the other hand, Oscar winner John Voight is quite outspoken describing what Obama has done, i.e., telling us the USA stinks, breaking us down, violating the constitution, instituting propoganda and describes it all as "quite insidious," helping educate the uninformed, to understand Obama  a platform for his socialist, Marxist, communist, agenda, rebuilding America, the way HE THINKS his vision of America should be.  The film "American Carol," is now being slammed by "critics," because it is a conservative film starring Dennis Hopper, John Voight, Kelsey Grammer, John Candy's brother (I forgot his first name,) and other conservative stars.  Nobody listens to these Hollywood idiots.  I am listening to Sean Hannity and intelligent black people think Obama is trying to fool people.  HE IS A LIAR and is slipping in the polls.  Dow is up today 693+.  Time to cry you lousy democrats

[Zelhar]

I could be part Jewish because of my maiden name....I have no clue, perhaps I should do some research on the subject.......a Jewish friend of mine's mother told him to tell me once, it is quite possible.....there were many German Jews....

and some Jews had turned their back on their faith because of the holocaust....

I know, because I know someone who is an athiest and he comes from an entire family of athiests and it was because of the Holocaust that they became athiests.....

At the very list a third of the German Jews had converted during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

[mord]

The bottom line,why hasn't the person who posed this question ever returned to see the answers ?

[HEBREWHONOR]

i cannot forgive germans for what they did , the only germans i am willing to not see a part of it , are noahides , for obvious reasons .

[Rubystars]

i cannot forgive germans for what they did , the only germans i am willing to not see a part of it , are noahides , for obvious reasons .

Why not any good person who is not the enemy of the Jews? Hating someone for their nationality is racist. You should be angry if someone is behaving badly.