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Accepting the Torah, But Remaining a Gentile
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: Philip on December 18, 2008, 04:33:11 PM ---Most of these religious Jews are Zionists. This guy is a troll and shouldn't be taken seriously.
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Nice to see you're having a good morning too, Ralph. Isn't it about time to make a thread about black peoples' jaws?
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: Philip on December 18, 2008, 04:33:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: C.F. on December 18, 2008, 02:40:43 PM ---Isn't that a major problem, Judeanoncapta?
We all are yearning for the Israeli religious to become the majority of the nation, but how does that benefit us if most of these religious Jews are anti-Zionist, Ovadia Yosef-worshipping Agudah types who will simply parrot whatever their leaders say and would be willing to give their country away if they tell them "we ought to spare Arab lives whenever possible" and other such absurdities?
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Most of these religious Jews are Zionists. This guy is a troll and shouldn't be taken seriously.
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No, they're not.
And C.F. in no troll.
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: muman613 on December 18, 2008, 04:42:55 PM ---There are some beliefs of Christianity which don't quite fit into Jewish belief...
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I thought Gentiles are not required to have full "Jewish belief".
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on December 18, 2008, 04:47:49 PM ---And C.F. in no troll.
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Nevermind him JNC. This is Ralph, who makes endless racial posts and who last night actually made a thread saying that the JTF forum has peaked and is now on a decline.
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on December 18, 2008, 04:43:59 PM ---What I said about Chabad's position comes straight from the Rebbe's lips. Ask any Chabadnik "Did they Rebbe support Jewish people moving en masse to Eretz Yisrael?"
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Judeanoncapta, I think you are probably right here (I don't know all of the particulars of Chabadism by any means), but in practice this is a technicality. The vast majority of Lubavitchim are very faithful and devout Zionists who love their brothers and sisters wherever they are, and all over the world. During the 2006 "war" with Hezbollah, who were the only rabbis joining the soldiers (regardless of what denomination of Judaism they were, or even if they were totally secular) on the battlefield while antitank missiles were falling all around them? The Lubavitch. Who are the Jews who dedicate their lives to outreach all over the world to minister to fellow Jews in all circumstances? What Jews just gave their lives in Mumbai serving the confused, lost, desperate young secular Israeli "pilgrims" who go there to dabble in Eastern thought and "find themselves"? Chabad. I guarantee you that they did not lead a comfortable life and would have done a lot better, and probably still be alive, if they were to take a position in the United States or Israel.
I think that the heart, and the life that is lived out (what Christians refer to as "the fruits of the Spirit") matter more than doctrine. Regardless of what the exact fine points are of what the Chabad technically believe about Zionism, they are amazing Jews and a true testimony to the awesome work of Hashem.
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