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Accepting the Torah, But Remaining a Gentile
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on December 18, 2008, 05:01:18 PM ---I agree with alot of what you say. I am not attacking attacking their actions. Or their doctrine,(atleast not in this thread).
I was just trying to clarify what their position is. And not allow their position to change in a way that would be untruthful.
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I know, I know. You aren't against them, you just think that their technical position on Zionism is inaccurate. Since I have no reason to doubt you, it appears that it is. I just think that in practice, they are almost always up there among our greatest allies and friends, and we all should acknowledge that. I understand how you feel. I don't fully agree with much of charismatic or Pentecostal Christianity (I think the theology tends to be a bit weak and too based on feelings and personal experience), but in practice they are often the most loving, devout, and passionate-living Bible-believing Christians out there. I might like Baptist/Calvinist theological work and study more, but by and large the charismatic Christians lead better lives. (And they tend to be very supportive of the Jews too.)
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: muman613 on December 18, 2008, 05:01:55 PM ---C.F,
This is uncalled for... I generally respect everyones opinion here.. And I am also supporting Tzvis argument... The truth is that following Torah is not a simple proposition. We need to be sensitive to our fellow Jews feelings {Ahavas Yisroel} and yet we need to firmly rebuke those who wish to follow but have missed the mark {Chet}.
There is nothing gained by exhibiting so much anger in insulting another person. I will stand up and defend just about everyone in this forum because I believe we all share a common goal. The Torah holds in high regard the middot of Bitul {self nullification} and Tzniut {Modesty}. Read the story of Yaakov and Essau and notice that as Great as Yaakov was he still bowed to Essau because he knew that this world was not for him but the next world is.
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Muman, that was you and Judeanoncapta that he was insulting when I responded to that. He said that what the two of you were saying was "non-sense".
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on December 18, 2008, 05:02:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: C.F. on December 18, 2008, 04:48:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: muman613 on December 18, 2008, 04:42:55 PM ---There are some beliefs of Christianity which don't quite fit into Jewish belief...
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I thought Gentiles are not required to have full "Jewish belief".
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C.F it might be hard to answer your question without delving into inter-religious theological debate (or equally likely- an argument).
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That seems to have been averted because C.F. is basically a moderate.
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on December 18, 2008, 05:02:07 PM ---C.F it might be hard to answer your question without delving into inter-religious theological debate (or equally likely- an argument).
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It is fine. Judeanoncapta already addressed it well. I consider this subject dropped.
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on December 18, 2008, 05:09:07 PM ---That seems to have been averted because C.F. is basically a moderate.
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What do you mean by I am a "moderate"? You gave a perfectly fine answer, and that was that.
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