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Accepting the Torah, But Remaining a Gentile
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: C.F. on December 18, 2008, 05:24:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on December 18, 2008, 05:17:29 PM ---I actually meant that in a good way. Kind of a play on what Rabbi Kahane said when he quoted from the book of Joshua about all of the wiping out of the Canaanites, and said "I just want to expel the Arabs, because I'm basically a moderate."
I know when you hear the word moderate, weasels like McCain and Arlen Spector and other assorted rifraff usually are what comes to mind.
But I actually meant it in a good way. A term of endearment, actually.
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OK, well thank you, then. :) I knew you meant it in a good way, I just didn't actually understand your context.
But you have a good point. We ARE all moderates using HaRav Meir Kahane (zt"l)'s definition. G-d commanded Israel to completely wipe out the Canaanite/Amalekite/Midianite/Jebusite proto-Muslim Nazis. We only want to remove their descendants, the Arab Nazis, from Israel. The fact is that G-d would be commanding a shoah against the Muslim Nazi Amalekites today if He were directly speaking to Israel today. But, we do not believe in or advocate that.
But while on this subject, why do you think, since you live in Israel and have been exposed to many sick, secular leftists, that so many average Israelis believe Arabs have "civil rights" and have a legitimate "historical claim" to a Fakestine state? According to opinion polls even done by the Left, the vast majority of Israelis do know the Arabs want to kill them all--and yet they believe that they still have rights and certain entitlements. Is this purely explained by secularism and moral relativism (which is what I assume), or is there something else there that I am not aware of as a Western Gentile?
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I would like to see these opinion polls if you can quote them.
But Israel is a divided country. And when I go to Tel Aviv, I'm stepping into a leftist paradise. I think the Average Tel-Aviv resident would be happy to hand over all lands other than Tel-Aviv.
Then I go home to "The Gush" and I feel like I am seeing the rebirth of the Israelite Nation. I can't go fully into it but there is a slow cultural revolution among the Hilltop Youth and others that is quite encouraging. It sometimes brings me to tears to be perfectly honest. It is very beautiful. I cannot express it in words, but I see it happening every day.
I sometimes wish that they would give the Arabs Tel Aviv instead of Gush Katif so we could cleanse our voter rolls and elect some decent people. Just kidding, I don't want to give the Arabs anything but a bus ride to Jordan.
I don't know what the future will be. But I see encouraging signs atleast where I live. Some Haredi Rabbis are changing their tune and I think that very slowly they and their flocks will move along with the rest of us to Total National Rebirth.
As far as secular people. I am stunned that there is such a thing as a secular right-winger. We atleast have our own schools. These people are subjected to leftist propoganda morning, noon and night.
Israel doesn't have any right wing media of any kind. Lily-livered or rock-ribbed.
They just ban anyone who disagrees with them.
I do have to say though, that I agree with Hayim that Kahanism is growing. Atleast in Jerusalem and in Judea. I see posters of Rabbi Kahane on Walls right outside the Jerusalem Central Bus Station and in the bus station on my little "settlement".
Tel Aviv, on the other hand, the only posters are for reggae and rap parties and techno raves. It's pretty depressing.
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on December 18, 2008, 05:45:13 PM ---I would like to see these opinion polls if you can quote them.
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I posted one a few weeks back by the War and Peace Index, a left-wing Tel Aviv think tank.
It found that something like 63% of Israelis do believe the Arabs want to kill them all, but that a similar margin still believe the Fakestinians have a historical and moral claim to a state of their "own."
DownwithIslam:
Judeanoncapta, you are right. Chabad is for immigration to the land of Israel but even it's true that the rebbe didnt want every last jew there. This is evident by the fact that they send shluchim to all parts of the world. I believe that the rebbe took this position simply because he knew that not all jews would pick up and move to israel and that chabad would be needed wherever their are jews.
As far as Torahanytime, Judeanoncapta is right again. While it's not a terrible site by any means, it could use some improving. I don't believe it's like Aguda or those types. I have a problem with a Rabbi who picks himself up and leaves Israel. That is what Rabbi Mizrahi did. Are you telling me their are no non religious jews in israel who he could help? Why did he move to monsey. Judeanoncapta proved his money was where his mouth is by actually moving to Israel while Rabbi Mizrahi moved out. I also didn't like how he seems to bash the "goyim" alot when their are many bible believing christian supporters of Israel. Many of the videos he posts are titles "debate vs christian." Wouldn't it be better if he bashed islam? I see that he posts many videos on nonsensical topics and doesn't encourage people to move to Israel. He doesn't even sound like he supports Israel at all. I saw some of the names of Rabbis on their menu and most seem worse than Rabbi Mizrahi.
Look, Judeanoncapta knows much more about torahanytime.com than me so their must be legitimate reasons why he believes it should be called onethirdoftorahanytime.com
I believe that many of the events they put together do bring kids closer to judaism so thats a good thing. I just am not totally impressed with what they do. They could use that site to give jews a real jewish lesson but they dont.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
--- Quote from: DownwithIslam on December 19, 2008, 06:56:18 AM ---Judeanoncapta, you are right. Chabad is for immigration to the land of Israel but even it's true that the rebbe didnt want every last jew there. This is evident by the fact that they send shluchim to all parts of the world. I believe that the rebbe took this position simply because he knew that not all jews would pick up and move to israel and that chabad would be needed wherever their are jews.
As far as Torahanytime, Judeanoncapta is right again. While it's not a terrible site by any means, it could use some improving. I don't believe it's like Aguda or those types. I have a problem with a Rabbi who picks himself up and leaves Israel. That is what Rabbi Mizrahi did. Are you telling me their are no non religious jews in israel who he could help? Why did he move to monsey. Judeanoncapta proved his money was where his mouth is by actually moving to Israel while Rabbi Mizrahi moved out. I also didn't like how he seems to bash the "goyim" alot when their are many bible believing christian supporters of Israel. Many of the videos he posts are titles "debate vs christian." Wouldn't it be better if he bashed islam? I see that he posts many videos on nonsensical topics and doesn't encourage people to move to Israel. He doesn't even sound like he supports Israel at all. I saw some of the names of Rabbis on their menu and most seem worse than Rabbi Mizrahi.
Look, Judeanoncapta knows much more about torahanytime.com than me so their must be legitimate reasons why he believes it should be called onethirdoftorahanytime.com
I believe that many of the events they put together do bring kids closer to judaism so thats a good thing. I just am not totally impressed with what they do. They could use that site to give jews a real jewish lesson but they dont.
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Like I told you in pm earlier, if you really cared you would have emailed him and gotten your answer instead of speaking lashon hara here. (and I dont have to explain over and over that he was not religious when he left, he does and did speak of the greatness of living in Israel)
- Why does he bash xtianity? Becuase he feels like it, he is not jtf and he does not work with them, so he can say whatever he wants (as long as it is true).
Why doesn't he bash islam? - He does disprove it also (easily), but like he said, he doesn't need and doesn't want to talk too harshly agains't islam because 1- Its not really popular for Jews to convert to it, and 2- he feels their is no need to needlessly put himself in danger because they are fanatics who kill people that speak harsh words agains't them. Christians on the other hand wont harm him, so he speaks his mind freely agains't that religion (which in a way is a complement becuase at least things can openly be said, as opposed to Islam whom you cant have open dialogue without being afraid of getting killed- like it used to be with the christians in europe).
- His debate with christian was brilliant. Do you know how many x- Christians became noahides becuase of that? Also how it raised Judaism in the eyes of Jews.
Tzvi Ben Roshel1:
And JNC- you say 1/3 of Torah or whatever. Let me ask you- do you think that a Rabbi who goes to speak to non-religious Jews should (after showing the proofs and proving the Torah to be 100% true) then go on to speak about Karbanot and building the Temple as opposed to Shabb-t and modesty, etc? Speaking about the temple in a time when their is no temple is pointless in that type of croud becuase it would be preaching to do something that one cannot (and anyway sacrifices are mentioned, if you would only listin). After the proofs he speaks a lot about keeping Shabb-t, about modesty, etc. Becuase 1- theat is the covenent between Israel and G-d and 2- it is something that people CAN actually do. It is 100% applicable today and should be done. - Getting into the topic of sacrifices and building the Temple is almost no point in that type of crowd because it will not change a thing in the way people behave right now. - On the other hand those who already keep Mitzvot- that we are able, then their are some groups that learn all different parts of the Talmud and each group gets into their specific topics.
Also wasn't it your Rav who himself said that things should be done a step at a time? Meaning that we all know that with 70% (I dont know whatever the amount is) of non-religious we wont build the Temple right away. Are you going to disown your Rav too becuase he talks about 1/ 613th at a time? As opposed to the attitude of all or nothing? - Anyway in what shiur will anyone get it all? Many Rabbis speak of different things, some focus on one topic and others on another, also the different shiurim themselves focus on different topics.
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