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✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ:
Thank You muman, i will go through the links, i read it randomly now and it is very interesting. Isnt it a coincidence that i would be learning about Jewish/Judaism concepts during the week of Hanukkah.
being a hindu i know almost all concepts of the first dharmic religion in the world, and thus i want to very much learn about the first Abrahamic religion of the world. In pursuit of knowing the supreme truth. I hope with the knowledge you people are sharing with me, i have nothing to lose but only to gain and get closer to God.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: muman613 on December 19, 2008, 01:55:35 AM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on December 19, 2008, 01:28:24 AM ---Teaching is helping to learn..
You say "I am not teaching to gentiles", and then you point them to a site that teaches it.
I suspect you are aware it is wrong, or why deny teaching it to them?
There are issues involved.. If they show interest, then referring them to the noachide laws is a great idea.
--- Quote from: muman ---PS: Should I have simply suggested that he investigate the Noachide covenant?
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yes, that's the thing to do.
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Honestly I dont think I am violating any Jewish law but I do respect your opinion {despite our many issues}. I will research it because I am concerned when any Jew is upset about what I explain according to my understanding. I do seek to do good and follow the law so if I am doing wrong I will attempt to cease. But at this time I still do not feel as if I am really going about trying to make anyone convert to Judaism. But our books and our wisdom is available to those who are interested.
I am sorry if you think I am doing something wrong.
PS: I just tried a google search for 'Jewish Wisdom' and the Aish site came up as the second highest search result after www.jewish-wisdom.com .
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Muman,
Look through Tractate Sanhedrin 55A-65A , a bit before and a bit after if you want too. It discusses these things .. I have studied it around 6 years ago, but really the fact against teaching torah to gentiles is very well known..
It talks for example of differing opinions, one saying they can't study it at all, one saying that they can but only the portion related to the 7 laws. Certainly not generally teaching torah like pointing them to Aish. There are big restrictions. And note that that tractate is talking about them studying it! So even for them to study it is forbidden to a noachide! that's before you've even taught it! So don't cause them to sin.
and in particular, we are not allowed to teach torah to idolators. perhaps not even any torah at all to them is allowed
It should be well known to you. When you saw that video of rabbi brody (whose mentor rabbi is rabbi arush) he was responding to criticism that he teaches torah to gentiles.. He said he teaches Emunah, which is universal, since belief in G-d is one of the noachide laws. That was his defence. Doing so is still controversial, but even he there is saying he wouldn't generally teach torah to gentiles.
And I have already mentioned to you over and over again the other problems with doing so. Related to them mixing their beliefs with the Torah.
דוד בן זאב אריה:
aish.com is one of the best also look at Chabad.org
muman613:
q_q_,
I grant that you have good points here. But there are some opinions which allow teaching of Written Torah to non-Jews. The shuir I am listening to taught that since Hashem gave Torah to all the nations and only the Jews accepted it, therefore it must not be wrong to teach the written Torah to non-Jews.
I understand the concern about others mistaking someone who is not a Jew who is studying Torah for a real Jew and come to unfounded beliefs due to misunderstanding. This is a valid concern and I hope that I have not lead anyone astray in this manner.
I do know a number of converts to Orthodox Judaism and they are very observant and I am impressed at their level of Kashrut and Shabbat observance. I will surely ask my Rabbi more about this but he is generally lenient in these matters. I will also read the tractate you referred me.
Thank you and I hope to be more careful about what I discuss. One last defense of my position though... I learned from this shuir that if the intended audience is Jews in a 'Jewish forum' and I am discussing Torah and non-Jews should also be listening I am not transgressing this prohibition.
muman613:
Interesting... Listen to this shuir at 29:00 and you will hear Rambams opinion that it is OK to teach Torah to Christians but not to Muslims.
http://download.yutorah.org/2008/1067/722695/Teaching%20Torah%20to%20Non%2DJews.MP3
This is very interesting stuff...
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