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q_q_:
there are opinions of varying strictness, and to be safe one should err on the side of strictness. It isn't hard to keep to the stricter opinions here! The various opinions are in the gemara. It's not just any old rabbi deciding to be stricter..
Aish for example, certainly are careful only to target jews. hence for example in their counter-missionary material, they stress it is counter-missionary. And obviously their trips are only for jews.
The thing about the messianic age is spoken of in jeremiah around ch30 and is a covenant G-d makes with people in their hearts. It's miraculous. Rather like rabbi brody described. And obviously if it's against halacha to teach torah to gentiles, you don't do it. That's a general rule not teaching it to them.. There are restrictions and as you have seen, differing opinions in the gemara about how tight the restrictions are.
I think it's easy to be strict with this one. Certainly stricter than you have been! Aish certainly would be - and you referred a gentile there.
muman613:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on December 19, 2008, 02:49:33 AM ---there are opinions of varying strictness, and to be safe one should err on the side of strictness. It isn't hard to keep to the stricter opinions here! The various opinions are in the gemara. It's not just any old rabbi deciding to be stricter..
Aish for example, certainly are careful only to target jews. hence for example in their counter-missionary material, they stress it is counter-missionary. And obviously their trips are only for jews.
The thing about the messianic age is spoken of in jeremiah around ch30 and is a covenant G-d makes with people in their hearts. It's miraculous. Rather like rabbi brody described. And obviously if it's against halacha to teach torah to gentiles, you don't do it. That's a general rule not teaching it to them.. There are restrictions and as you have seen, differing opinions in the gemara about how tight the restrictions are.
I think it's easy to be strict with this one. Certainly stricter than you have been! Aish certainly would be - and you referred a gentile there.
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I am hearing you...
q_q_:
--- Quote from: muman613 on December 19, 2008, 02:48:50 AM ---Interesting... Listen to this shuir at 29:00 and you will hear Rambams opinion that it is OK to teach Torah to Christians but not to Muslims.
http://download.yutorah.org/2008/1067/722695/Teaching%20Torah%20to%20Non%2DJews.MP3
This is very interesting stuff...
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must be a good shiur.
yes, this has been mentioned in a previous thread, it was mentioned by Lisa.
RAMBAM wrote that in a letter.
It brings up the question.. How can the RAMBAM be so lenient here when in his earlier work the mishneh torah, he said christianity is idolatry. We know it's forbidden to teach torah to idolators.. One answer is that the RAMBAM changed his mind about christianity.
Hindu Zionist , is a hindu.. And I'm sure that most or all would consider hinduism to be idolatry.
The RAMBAM's opinion there is very strange.. hard to source in the talmud. Very controversial.
And the reason why the RAMBAM (taking a VERY lenient opinion) made the allowance for christianity and not islam, was that christians believe the bible.
Muslims don't.. And of course hindus don't either.
(muslims nowadays and in RAMBAM's time made the claim that the bible was corrupted.. so maybe that's why he said specifically not teaching muslims)
I should add and this is VERY important.
We know in our times from experience that teaching torah to christians is a very bad idea. They mix it in with their beliefs.. and we get messianic christianity. They go to sites made eg by conservative "rabbis" and learn how to lein and all sorts of things. Their pastors call themselves rabbis, and they draw jews in, it's a massive problem.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: muman613 on December 19, 2008, 02:51:16 AM ---<snip>
I am hearing you...
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It's about bloody time.. I've told you almost a dozen times in previous threads.
The difference here is that this time you took notice, asked for a source, looked around, and found a YU shiur..
Why is that? Did you have an extra cup of coffee?
Lisa:
What if Hindu Zionist were to read the book "Judaism For Dummies?"
http://www.amazon.com/Judaism-Dummies-Ted-Falcon/dp/0764552996
There's also "The Complete Idiot's Guide To Judaism."
http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idiots-Guide-Understanding-Judaism/dp/159257131X/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_k2a_3_txt/179-1484663-3532726?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-2&pf_rd_r=10VP48SS3FWE3Z66Q01M&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=304485601&pf_rd_i=0764552996
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