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Israeli assault on Hamas kills more than 200
« on: December 27, 2008, 05:07:50 PM »
JERUSALEM – Israeli warplanes rained more than 100 tons of bombs on security installations in Hamas-ruled Gaza on Saturday, killing at least 225 people in one of the bloodiest days in decades of the mideast conflict. The government said the open-ended campaign was aimed at stopping rocket and mortar attacks that have traumatized southern Israel.

More than 400 people were also wounded. Most of the casualties were security forces, but Palestinian officials said at least 15 civilians were among the dead.

The unprecedented assault sparked protests and condemnations throughout the Arab world, and many of Israel's Western allies urged restraint, though the U.S. blamed Hamas for the fighting.

But there was no end in sight. Israel warned it might go after Hamas' leaders, and militants kept pelting Israel with rockets — killing at least one Israeli and wounding six.

Hundreds of Israeli infantry and armored corps troops headed for the Gaza border in preparation for a possible ground invasion, military officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity under army guidelines.

The Israeli airstrikes caused widespread panic and confusion, and black plumes of smoke billowed above the territory, ruled by the Islamic militant Hamas for the past 18 months. Some of the Israeli missiles struck in densely populated areas as students were leaving school, and women rushed into the streets frantically looking for their children.

"My son is gone, my son is gone," wailed Said Masri, a 57-year-old shopkeeper, as he sat in the middle of a Gaza City street, slapping his face and covering his head with dust from a bombed-out security compound nearby.

He said he had sent his 9-year-old son out to purchase cigarettes minutes before the airstrikes began and could not find him. "May I burn like the cigarettes, may Israel burn," Masri moaned.

The offensive began eight days after a six-month truce between Israel and the militants expired. The Israeli army says Palestinian militants have fired some 300 rockets and mortars at Israeli targets over the past week, and 10 times that number over the past year.

"There is a time for calm and there is a time for fighting, and now is the time for fighting," said Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak, vowing to expand the operation if necessary.

In Gaza City's main security compound, bodies of more than a dozen uniformed Hamas police lay on the ground. Civilians rushed wounded people in cars and vans to hospitals because there weren't enough ambulances to transport all the dead and wounded.

"There are heads without bodies .... There's blood in the corridors. People are weeping, women are crying, doctors are shouting, " said nurse Ahmed Abdel Salaam from Shifa Hospital, Gaza's main treatment center.

Military officials said aircraft released more than 100 tons of bombs in the first nine hours of fighting, focusing initially on militant training camps, rocket-manufacturing facilities and weapons warehouses that had been identified in advance.

A second wave was directed at squads who fired about 180 rockets and mortars at Israeli border communities.

Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said Hamas' political leaders could soon be targeted. ""Hamas is a terrorist organization and nobody is immune," she declared.

The campaign was launched six weeks before national elections. Livni and Barak hope to succeed Ehud Olmert as prime minister, and the outgoing government has faced pressure to take tough action.

Gaza's political leaders, who have been targeted in the past, went into hiding earlier this week. In a speech broadcast on local Gaza television, Hamas' prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh, declared his movement would not be cowed.

"We are stronger, and more determined, and have more will, and we will hold onto our rights even more than before," Haniyeh said. It was not clear where he spoke.

In Damascus, Syria, Hamas' top leader, Khaled Mashaal, called on Palestinians to rekindle their fight against Israel. "This is the time for a third uprising," he said.

Israel withdrew its troops and settlers in 2005 after crushing the second Palestinian uprising, but it has maintained control over the territory's border crossings.

Despite the overwhelming show of force, it was not clear the offensive would halt the rocket fire. Past operations have never achieved that goal.

Late Saturday, Gaza health official Dr. Moaiya Hassanain said 225 Palestinians were killed and more than 400 were wounded.

The lone fatality in Israel was in the town of Netivot, where a rocket killed an Israeli man. Six other people were wounded, rescue services said.

Netivot only recently become a target, and dozens of stunned residents, some weeping, gathered at the house that took the deadly rocket hit. A hole gaped in one of the walls, which was pocked with shrapnel marks.

"We need to finish this once and for all and strike back hard," said next-door neighbor Avraham Chen-Chatam, 57.

Streets were nearly empty in Sderot, the Israeli border town pummeled hardest by rockets. But dozens of people congregated on a hilltop to watch the Israeli aerial attacks.

The TV images of dead and wounded Gazans inflamed Arab public opinion, and protests erupted in Arab Israeli villages, the West Bank and elsewhere in the Arab world.

The campaign embarrassed moderate Arab regimes that have encouraged Israeli-Palestinian peacemaking and weakened Hamas' rival, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who has ruled only the West Bank since Hamas violently seized control of Gaza in June 2007.

Abbas condemned the attacks, but fearing violence could spiral out of control, his forces also broke up protests in the West Bank.

The offensive also risked opening new fronts, including unrest that could destabilize the West Bank and ignite possible rocket attacks by Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas on northern Israel.

Britain, the EU, the Vatican, the U.N. secretary-general and special Mideast envoy Tony Blair all called for an immediate restoration of calm. The Arab League scheduled an emergency meeting Sunday to discuss the situation.

But the U.S., Israel's closest ally, blamed Hamas. "These people are nothing but thugs, so Israel is going to defend its people against terrorists like Hamas that indiscriminately kill their own people," White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said.

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Re: Israeli assault on Hamas kills more than 200
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2008, 05:16:38 PM »
It's a good first step but it's basically a political stunt by Israeli leftist leaders
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Re: Israeli assault on Hamas kills more than 200
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2008, 05:20:16 PM »
Too little. Quite late. Good news, anyway!
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2008, 05:47:41 PM »
What the media doesn't point out is that Israel is likely killing muslims who are living where Jews previously lived prior to the nazi-like expulsion from Gaza.
The city isn't what it used to be. It all happened so fast. Everything went to crap. It's like... everyone's sense of morals just disappeared. Bad economy made things worse. Jobs started drying up, then the stores had to shut down. Then a black man was elected president. He was supposed to change things. He didn't. More and more people turned to crime and violence... The town becomes gripped with fear. Dark times, dark times... I am the hero this town needs. I am... The Coon!!!

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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2008, 05:53:20 PM »
Talk about schizophrenia!  First Israel releases hundreds of arab murderers from their prisons.  Now it responds to Hamas rockets by bombing Gaza.  Is Jewish blood cheap or isn't it?  This military response is good only if it is a start and Israel will continue to retaliate harshly to Arab rockets.  I'd like to see Israel continue to bomb and destroy the arabs in Gaza.  But what does it say about Israel that it would release Arab murderers?  Israel can't do both.  Either Israel will be righteous, powerful, and relentless in the pursuit of justice, or it will be morally bankrupt, weak, and unwilling to do that which is just.

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Re: Israeli assault on Hamas kills more than 200
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2008, 06:08:43 PM »
I hope they keep on going, going and going just like the Engergizer bunny.

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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2008, 08:50:57 PM »
Talk about schizophrenia!  First Israel releases hundreds of arab murderers from their prisons.  Now it responds to Hamas rockets by bombing Gaza.  Is Jewish blood cheap or isn't it?  This military response is good only if it is a start and Israel will continue to retaliate harshly to Arab rockets.  I'd like to see Israel continue to bomb and destroy the arabs in Gaza.  But what does it say about Israel that it would release Arab murderers?  Israel can't do both.  Either Israel will be righteous, powerful, and relentless in the pursuit of justice, or it will be morally bankrupt, weak, and unwilling to do that which is just.

 Actually they can. Release them and then hunt them down.  :laugh: At least out of jail they dont waist Israel's money. (I would execute them in jail, but with the system, we know it wont happen right now unless things start changing).

 And I'm happy for the good news. May many more be killed.
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2008, 01:39:33 AM »
Whether Israeli government is leftist, rightists or centrist, but it should keep on retaliating against the muslamic terrorism till the divine objectives are met.

It is painful to watch that why other Euro-Communist governments do not retaliate at least like this example and in that manner they disobey the Hashem.
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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2008, 01:53:57 AM »
GEEEHHHH!!! Israel bends over backwards to give Hamas... a terrorist group territory and sovereignty in the holy land... and who woulda thought it would come to this?????? !!!!!!!!!! >:(

Imagine if the US bent over backwards  to give the black panthers or the neo-nazis their own territory......??  I wonder if the public would be shocked that we'd have to start millitary action against them??


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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2008, 03:09:23 AM »
What a pathetic joke. 100 tons of bombs for 200 dead Nazis? That comes out to 1,000 pounds of high explosive for every single dead Muzzie. What an absurdity.

Israel could incinerate hundreds of thousands of Arabs per hour if she wanted to, without even trying.

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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2008, 03:45:33 AM »
What a pathetic joke. 100 tons of bombs for 200 dead Nazis? That comes out to 1,000 pounds of high explosive for every single dead Muzzie. What an absurdity.

Israel could incinerate hundreds of thousands of Arabs per hour if she wanted to, without even trying.

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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2008, 03:47:47 AM »
more than 200 dead arabs is something we should be celebrating.

i've heard many women and children.   well, if they were wht the west think of as women and children, weak defenceless scared "normal ones", then they'd have left. These arabs have cars..  In the arab world I guess the men leave and the women stay. Maybe they don't want the arguments in the car.

Prior to the gaza withdrawal (expulsion of jews from gush katif and removal of I suppose army protection), I recall american thinktank(s) saying the place would become a rocket launching pad against isarel.  The Israeli Government was/is to the left of the american govt!

I remember Tovia Singer saying months before that incident, that it's about time the israeli government instead of just following the american govt's wishes, came out to the right of the american govt.  can you imagine it the other way around..  "Can you imagine if the american govt were to be to the right of the israeli govt!!"   It doesn't happen publically, but it did happen with that gaza withdrawal.. The american govt didn't call for it publically and the american thinktank(s) were against it.



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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2008, 04:14:20 AM »
Talk about schizophrenia!  First Israel releases hundreds of arab murderers from their prisons.  Now it responds to Hamas rockets by bombing Gaza.  Is Jewish blood cheap or isn't it?  This military response is good only if it is a start and Israel will continue to retaliate harshly to Arab rockets.  I'd like to see Israel continue to bomb and destroy the arabs in Gaza.  But what does it say about Israel that it would release Arab murderers?  Israel can't do both.  Either Israel will be righteous, powerful, and relentless in the pursuit of justice, or it will be morally bankrupt, weak, and unwilling to do that which is just.

 Actually they can. Release them and then hunt them down.  :laugh: At least out of jail they dont waist Israel's money. (I would execute them in jail, but with the system, we know it wont happen right now unless things start changing).

 And I'm happy for the good news. May many more be killed.

That's a pretty dubious argument Tsvi.  Israel didn't realease those arab prisoners so that they could hunt them down later.  If only that were true!  Israel released those arab prisoners because of a pathetic need to be liked.  "If only we can show the world how nice we are to the arabs who kill us, then perhaps the world would love us."  Nobody loves a sucker.  It's an obscene attitude.  I would like Israel to go to the opposite extreme for a change.  I would like them to say to themselves, "if we are condemned as being guilty, then we are going to do what they condemn us for."  Let the "crime" fit the "punishment".

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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2008, 04:29:26 AM »
Talk about schizophrenia!  First Israel releases hundreds of arab murderers from their prisons.  Now it responds to Hamas rockets by bombing Gaza.  Is Jewish blood cheap or isn't it?  This military response is good only if it is a start and Israel will continue to retaliate harshly to Arab rockets.  I'd like to see Israel continue to bomb and destroy the arabs in Gaza.  But what does it say about Israel that it would release Arab murderers?  Israel can't do both.  Either Israel will be righteous, powerful, and relentless in the pursuit of justice, or it will be morally bankrupt, weak, and unwilling to do that which is just.

 Actually they can. Release them and then hunt them down.  :laugh: At least out of jail they dont waist Israel's money. (I would execute them in jail, but with the system, we know it wont happen right now unless things start changing).

 And I'm happy for the good news. May many more be killed.

That's a pretty dubious argument Tsvi.  Israel didn't realease those arab prisoners so that they could hunt them down later.  If only that were true!  Israel released those arab prisoners because of a pathetic need to be liked.  "If only we can show the world how nice we are to the arabs who kill us, then perhaps the world would love us."  Nobody loves a sucker.  It's an obscene attitude.  I would like Israel to go to the opposite extreme for a change. 

I think it's safe to say that Tzvi meant it as in it would be good if israel did.. and you agree there.

He did put a smilie there too, I don't think it was an analysis of what he thinks israel is doing..  Conceptually he understands the arab-israel situation.

I don't think it would be so good to release and hunt, because it plays it like a fun game.
If looking for a tough image then a tougher one would be to immediately execute all arab prisoners. Or better.. Say Release Gilad shalit NOW, or we execute all arab prisoners!

I would like them to say to themselves, "if we are condemned as being guilty, then we are going to do what they condemn us for." 

very true, and the ridiculous thing is that the israeli government does it to an extent, and then stops.. They say "well the world is going to condemn us anyway" . But they still try to be -more moral than anybody else, even to national suicide. And it's not particularly moral either, it's not them that pay with their lives.

Let the "crime" fit the "punishment".

Err, I think I follow you ;-)  if you call the nations condemning israel for genocide  a "punishment".

How about "Let the crime fit the charge"

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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2008, 04:45:31 AM »
Talk about schizophrenia!  First Israel releases hundreds of arab murderers from their prisons.  Now it responds to Hamas rockets by bombing Gaza.  Is Jewish blood cheap or isn't it?  This military response is good only if it is a start and Israel will continue to retaliate harshly to Arab rockets.  I'd like to see Israel continue to bomb and destroy the arabs in Gaza.  But what does it say about Israel that it would release Arab murderers?  Israel can't do both.  Either Israel will be righteous, powerful, and relentless in the pursuit of justice, or it will be morally bankrupt, weak, and unwilling to do that which is just.

 Actually they can. Release them and then hunt them down.  :laugh: At least out of jail they dont waist Israel's money. (I would execute them in jail, but with the system, we know it wont happen right now unless things start changing).

 And I'm happy for the good news. May many more be killed.

That's a pretty dubious argument Tsvi.  Israel didn't realease those arab prisoners so that they could hunt them down later.  If only that were true!  Israel released those arab prisoners because of a pathetic need to be liked.  "If only we can show the world how nice we are to the arabs who kill us, then perhaps the world would love us."  Nobody loves a sucker.  It's an obscene attitude.  I would like Israel to go to the opposite extreme for a change. 

I think it's safe to say that Tzvi meant it as in it would be good if israel did.. and you agree there.

He did put a smilie there too, I don't think it was an analysis of what he thinks israel is doing..  Conceptually he understands the arab-israel situation.

I don't think it would be so good to release and hunt, because it plays it like a fun game.
If looking for a tough image then a tougher one would be to immediately execute all arab prisoners. Or better.. Say Release Gilad shalit NOW, or we execute all arab prisoners!

I would like them to say to themselves, "if we are condemned as being guilty, then we are going to do what they condemn us for." 

very true, and the ridiculous thing is that the israeli government does it to an extent, and then stops.. They say "well the world is going to condemn us anyway" . But they still try to be -more moral than anybody else, even to national suicide. And it's not particularly moral either, it's not them that pay with their lives.

Let the "crime" fit the "punishment".

Err, I think I follow you ;-)  if you call the nations condemning israel for genocide  a "punishment".

How about "Let the crime fit the charge"

I was having the same thought about Gilad Schalit.  Israel should send a message to the arabs in Gaza that Schalit needs to be returned unharmed on a certain date, at a certain location.  And if this does not happen, Israel should execute every single arab in the prisons plus a thousand more in Gaza.  And I think that is disproportionate retaliation.  Proportionate retaliation would be to wipe out Gaza entirely.

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« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2008, 04:53:11 AM »
I wish the IAF would blow up the BBC, those slimy devious little limey muslim loving parasites.

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« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2008, 05:01:17 AM »
I wish the IAF would blow up the BBC, those slimy devious little limey muslim loving parasites.
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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2008, 05:09:09 AM »
Limey as in English, I would have used the Aussie equivalent "pom" but no one would have understood that. I have nothing against the English, just against the BBC and the left wingers there who are slimy parasites and are as anti-English and anti-British as the muslims they absolutely adore. I hope Britain kicks the paki muslim hordes infesting their country back to pakistan so India can finish em all off once and for all.

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« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2008, 05:33:52 AM »
IAF=Israeli Air Force

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« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2008, 06:58:35 AM »
Well, at last a good news. 200 terrorists killed, it's not enough, but it's at least a start.
And we should learn something from this. Israel had warned about that operation, Hamas knew very well it would happen if they kept on with those homemade rockets. Kassams are dangerous for Israeli civilians, but Hamas knew they wouldn't achieve any military success with them, except for the morbid pleasure of murdering Israeli civilians. But they choose to go on with them even when they knew they would be killed. They don't care about their own lives and sacrifice themselves just to kill SOME Israelis. Imagine what Iran would do if, chas veshalom, they got nukes.

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« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2008, 08:15:46 AM »
I just hope they IDF finishes the job this time and doesn't [censored] it up like in Lebanon. I want to see all of gaza turned into a smouldering crater.

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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2008, 08:25:33 AM »
QUOTE>> And I think that is disproportionate retaliation.  Proportionate retaliation would be to wipe out Gaza entirely.<<UNQUOTE

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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2008, 11:05:01 AM »
Lamentations on Gaza from Pak666.

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« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2008, 11:40:43 AM »
Talk about schizophrenia!  First Israel releases hundreds of arab murderers from their prisons.  Now it responds to Hamas rockets by bombing Gaza.  Is Jewish blood cheap or isn't it?  This military response is good only if it is a start and Israel will continue to retaliate harshly to Arab rockets.  I'd like to see Israel continue to bomb and destroy the arabs in Gaza.  But what does it say about Israel that it would release Arab murderers?  Israel can't do both.  Either Israel will be righteous, powerful, and relentless in the pursuit of justice, or it will be morally bankrupt, weak, and unwilling to do that which is just.

 Actually they can. Release them and then hunt them down.  :laugh: At least out of jail they dont waist Israel's money. (I would execute them in jail, but with the system, we know it wont happen right now unless things start changing).

 And I'm happy for the good news. May many more be killed.

That's a pretty dubious argument Tsvi.  Israel didn't realease those arab prisoners so that they could hunt them down later.  If only that were true!  Israel released those arab prisoners because of a pathetic need to be liked.  "If only we can show the world how nice we are to the arabs who kill us, then perhaps the world would love us."  Nobody loves a sucker.  It's an obscene attitude.  I would like Israel to go to the opposite extreme for a change.  I would like them to say to themselves, "if we are condemned as being guilty, then we are going to do what they condemn us for."  Let the "crime" fit the "punishment".

 I meant it as a cruel joke. That would be fun though. Imagine we get their hopes up, release them and have them be target practice while they are running away.
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Re: Israeli assault on Hamas kills more than 200
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2008, 11:46:48 AM »
Those Israelis should also release a bunch of wild hungry boars into Gaza.