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Hakamim that rejected Kabbalah
GoIsraelGo!:
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on January 15, 2009, 01:24:46 PM ---I have heard of several Rabbis who were secretly Kabbalists but when they had to give lectures to secular and semi observant Jews they would tell them to “stay far away from Kabbalah. It is nothing but superstitious folly and Kabbalists are worse than christians instead of giving us 3 gods they give us 10”. The reason for this was not only because people without adequate Toranic knowledge tend to misunderstand Kabbalah but also to stop them getting into Practical Kabbalah.
Practical Kabbalah tells one how to command the Jin (what european fools would call “angels” and “demons”). Shlomo HaMelek was famous for this. The big danger is that Jin don’t like to be bossed around by humans and unless the Practical Kabbalist is a Tzadiq gadol the Jin will eventually kill them.
The Morrocan Yehudim and Temani were big into Practical Kabbalah. Is it possible that Rabbi Yihyah Gafekh and other Hakamim that rejected Kabbalah knew that Kabbalah was real but publicly rejected it to try to put an end to the widespread use of Practical Kabbalah? Afterall such Hakamim were going against the grain and I am sure they did not think they were bigger than the Ramban.
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My Grandfather lived and died in Mougador Morocco. He was a Orthodox Rabbi and he was an expert on kabbalah. My Mom has told me that her father ( Rabbi Yamin Bougamin )
told her when she was little that the kabbalah was magic...but that it was also very dangerous! My Mom never studied it nor would I. We listen to the wise!
An example of practical kabbalah could be compared to putting a baby seal in a tank with a shark. The situation could be dangerous / or deadly.
The kabbalah is for the experts who have mastered Torah.
Shalom - Dox
q_q_:
--- Quote from: republicandox on January 21, 2009, 09:41:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on January 15, 2009, 01:24:46 PM ---I have heard of several Rabbis who were secretly Kabbalists but when they had to give lectures to secular and semi observant Jews they would tell them to “stay far away from Kabbalah. It is nothing but superstitious folly and Kabbalists are worse than christians instead of giving us 3 gods they give us 10”. The reason for this was not only because people without adequate Toranic knowledge tend to misunderstand Kabbalah but also to stop them getting into Practical Kabbalah.
Practical Kabbalah tells one how to command the Jin (what european fools would call “angels” and “demons”). Shlomo HaMelek was famous for this. The big danger is that Jin don’t like to be bossed around by humans and unless the Practical Kabbalist is a Tzadiq gadol the Jin will eventually kill them.
The Morrocan Yehudim and Temani were big into Practical Kabbalah. Is it possible that Rabbi Yihyah Gafekh and other Hakamim that rejected Kabbalah knew that Kabbalah was real but publicly rejected it to try to put an end to the widespread use of Practical Kabbalah? Afterall such Hakamim were going against the grain and I am sure they did not think they were bigger than the Ramban.
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My Grandfather lived and died in Mougador Morocco. He was a Orthodox Rabbi and he was an expert on kabbalah. My Mom has told me that her father ( Rabbi Yamin Bougamin )
told her when she was little that the kabbalah was magic...but that it was also very dangerous! My Mom never studied it nor would I. We listen to the wise!
An example of practical kabbalah could be compared to putting a baby seal in a tank with a shark. The situation could be dangerous / or deadly.
The kabbalah is for the experts who have mastered Torah.
Shalom - Dox
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It would be dangerous if it worked then all that may well be correct. You assume that it does work.
Maybe your mother's father never did it either. (he just studied theory).
If it was so powerful , these kabbalists would have used it effectively on our enemies, and not been persecuted so much for 2000 years.
I guarantee that they tried.
You have succeeded in lowering the level of intelligent discussion though. With stories about how dangerous it is..
Doing that happens to be a classic set up for a con.. like the egyptian strong man clip on memri.
GoIsraelGo!:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 21, 2009, 09:54:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: republicandox on January 21, 2009, 09:41:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on January 15, 2009, 01:24:46 PM ---I have heard of several Rabbis who were secretly Kabbalists but when they had to give lectures to secular and semi observant Jews they would tell them to “stay far away from Kabbalah. It is nothing but superstitious folly and Kabbalists are worse than christians instead of giving us 3 gods they give us 10”. The reason for this was not only because people without adequate Toranic knowledge tend to misunderstand Kabbalah but also to stop them getting into Practical Kabbalah.
Practical Kabbalah tells one how to command the Jin (what european fools would call “angels” and “demons”). Shlomo HaMelek was famous for this. The big danger is that Jin don’t like to be bossed around by humans and unless the Practical Kabbalist is a Tzadiq gadol the Jin will eventually kill them.
The Morrocan Yehudim and Temani were big into Practical Kabbalah. Is it possible that Rabbi Yihyah Gafekh and other Hakamim that rejected Kabbalah knew that Kabbalah was real but publicly rejected it to try to put an end to the widespread use of Practical Kabbalah? Afterall such Hakamim were going against the grain and I am sure they did not think they were bigger than the Ramban.
--- End quote ---
My Grandfather lived and died in Mougador Morocco. He was a Orthodox Rabbi and he was an expert on kabbalah. My Mom has told me that her father ( Rabbi Yamin Bougamin )
told her when she was little that the kabbalah was magic...but that it was also very dangerous! My Mom never studied it nor would I. We listen to the wise!
An example of practical kabbalah could be compared to putting a baby seal in a tank with a shark. The situation could be dangerous / or deadly.
The kabbalah is for the experts who have mastered Torah.
Shalom - Dox
--- End quote ---
It would be dangerous if it worked then all that may well be correct. You assume that it does work.
Maybe your mother's father never did it either. (he just studied theory).
If it was so powerful , these kabbalists would have used it effectively on our enemies, and not been persecuted so much for 2000 years.
I guarantee that they tried.
You have succeeded in lowering the level of intelligent discussion though. With stories about how dangerous it is..
Doing that happens to be a classic set up for a con.. like the egyptian strong man clip on memri.
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Obviously you cannot make a reply without an insult. Typical Liberal !
q_q_:
--- Quote from: republicandox on January 21, 2009, 10:05:50 PM ---<snip>
Obviously you cannot make a reply without an insult. Typical Liberal !
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Look who takes offence! You Bolshevik!
muman613:
--- Quote from: republicandox on January 21, 2009, 10:05:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 21, 2009, 09:54:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: republicandox on January 21, 2009, 09:41:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on January 15, 2009, 01:24:46 PM ---I have heard of several Rabbis who were secretly Kabbalists but when they had to give lectures to secular and semi observant Jews they would tell them to “stay far away from Kabbalah. It is nothing but superstitious folly and Kabbalists are worse than christians instead of giving us 3 gods they give us 10”. The reason for this was not only because people without adequate Toranic knowledge tend to misunderstand Kabbalah but also to stop them getting into Practical Kabbalah.
Practical Kabbalah tells one how to command the Jin (what european fools would call “angels” and “demons”). Shlomo HaMelek was famous for this. The big danger is that Jin don’t like to be bossed around by humans and unless the Practical Kabbalist is a Tzadiq gadol the Jin will eventually kill them.
The Morrocan Yehudim and Temani were big into Practical Kabbalah. Is it possible that Rabbi Yihyah Gafekh and other Hakamim that rejected Kabbalah knew that Kabbalah was real but publicly rejected it to try to put an end to the widespread use of Practical Kabbalah? Afterall such Hakamim were going against the grain and I am sure they did not think they were bigger than the Ramban.
--- End quote ---
My Grandfather lived and died in Mougador Morocco. He was a Orthodox Rabbi and he was an expert on kabbalah. My Mom has told me that her father ( Rabbi Yamin Bougamin )
told her when she was little that the kabbalah was magic...but that it was also very dangerous! My Mom never studied it nor would I. We listen to the wise!
An example of practical kabbalah could be compared to putting a baby seal in a tank with a shark. The situation could be dangerous / or deadly.
The kabbalah is for the experts who have mastered Torah.
Shalom - Dox
--- End quote ---
It would be dangerous if it worked then all that may well be correct. You assume that it does work.
Maybe your mother's father never did it either. (he just studied theory).
If it was so powerful , these kabbalists would have used it effectively on our enemies, and not been persecuted so much for 2000 years.
I guarantee that they tried.
You have succeeded in lowering the level of intelligent discussion though. With stories about how dangerous it is..
Doing that happens to be a classic set up for a con.. like the egyptian strong man clip on memri.
--- End quote ---
Obviously you cannot make a reply without an insult. Typical Liberal !
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Republicandox,
Take no heed of q_q_, he is always insulting and degrading to almost everyone. I think it is a compliment when he insults people. Some people have developmental problems and don't know how to relate to other people. I believe q_q_ is one of those loner types who 'didn't get along with others' when he was growing up.
Just look at his history of postings...
PS: Make his will your will, so that Hashem may make your will his will.
PPS: Kabbalah is NOT magic... No more than Chemistry is magic. It is our belief that Kabbalah is the mechanism by which the universe was created. If we could harness it we could understand all the secrets of creation. Only very humble tzaddicks even have a chance of using it to alter reality.
BTW, in the shuir on the Secrets of Lashon HaKodesh the Rabbi mentioned a fact I had heard before. The words "Abbra Cadabra" are based on Hebrew. In Hebew the words "Avera CaDabera" roughly translates to "I do what I speak".
For a very good overview of what Kabbalah is and isn't check out Rabbi Arial BarTzaddoks website @
http://www.koshertorah.com/
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