So Muslim, you either have never read your "holy" books or are lying through your teeth.
Or maybe you are like a Reform Jew version of a Muslim, who just makes his own interpretations regardless of the truth.
"Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers."[2:191-192]
*Think logically, this makes sense.
*Surah 2:216 & Surah 8:39 the word fight does not always mean physical. Ever thought of that??
*The prophet was always warned about the hostile intentions of each person. He was always told by Angel Gabriel and so to prevent it he decided to take action against them. It is only permissible to accidentally kill innocent. It's the intention that matters and Allah is the All-Knowing.
Narated By As-Sab bin Jaththama : The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle."
*Bani Al-Mustalaq, Ghazwah, was the time when the prophet narrated the hadith about killing women and children.
*Lying? Have I said anything that isn't true. You think you know Islam but sadly you don't. Let me give you advise, if you want to learn Islam, DON'T LEARN FROM AN ANTI-ISLAMIC SITE!!(Like this one)
How am I wrong in any way? You just completely agreed with me!!! You admitted that Muhammad said it is permissible to kill innocents as long as the target is the infidel. THat is exactly what I said.
So if you believe that is true, how come just two posts ago you said Muhammad never supports it? It looks to me like you were lying, and now that you were exposed, you are conceding to some of the truths.
You exact quote was :" Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of any innocent woman, child, or elderly", yet now you are admitting, that under certain conditionsm, he does permit it, which means that when you originally stated that fact, you were knowingly lying, breaking one of the Ten Commandments, which shows me that Muslims do truly live by Muhammad's maxim "War is Deceit", and disregard the commandments.
And why are you just repeating back to me what I told you. I am aware of bani-mustalaq, I was waiting for you to justify it, not just tell me "Oh, yes it happened". What is your justification for that in light of your earlier claim that "Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of any innocent woman, child, or elderly"?
And I am a Chozer B'Teshuva, and I knew many Muslims when I was younger. I have even visited Pakistan, Iran, and Central Asia, so don't tell me that I learned Islam from a website. I learned Islam not only from my former friends, but also from imams, with whom I use to have long conversations about religion when I was in the process of searching for myself.
I can tell you that these Imams, if anything, preached just as violently as those in the Middle East, and this is to a kid who they knew was born Jewish.
So, as I said earlier, what do you have to say about your earlier quote that you are now backtracking on. Are you admitting you were wrong when you said "Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of any innocent woman, child, or elderly"?
Lastly, if you truly believed it was the Word of G-d, you would not try to water it down to modern WEstern values, as you would be sure that G-d knows more than any modern WEstern liberals.
For example, Jews are more than allowed to kill women in children in a milchemet mitzvah, and I have no problem admitting that, because I know it it is the word of G-d. With all your backtracking and convoluted explanations, it does not seem that you are as sure about your book.