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Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« on: May 18, 2009, 12:41:14 AM »
Sorry, this is just an observation I had from reviewing gun laws.  I am not an expert in gun laws, but it seems from my research that firearms are banned in NYC.  I guess you have a string of real left-wing pink commie whackos who think they are above the law or constitution and will run the city their way.   My fear is what happened to Jews at the time of Nazi Germany when they were forced to turn in all their firearms and to be pushed into poor, starving ghettoes.  With Barack Hussein Jihadbama in power,  I think at any time an ultimatum can be set that would incarcerate the great number of Jews trapped in NYC.  I have been reading that attacks on Jews by negros and arabs is increasing at an alarming rate in NYC limits and some synagogues have been attacked.

The probz is that Jews throughout history have congregated in their ethnic neighborhoods and remain real tightly knit.  THis is really wonderful, the essence of community spirit, but also left the vulnerable and made it real easy for anti-semitic predators to do their foul deeds by gathering up a bunch of Jews who were left helpless.

Now, what i fear is that a majority of America's Jews are stuck in one of the most socialist, left-wing and imprisoned states/cities in the country.  Majority of the Jews are unarmed and at the mercy of the two-faced, back-biting political machine.  NYC as I know has very strict rules for owning guns and majority of people just cannot get them.  Especially, they cannot get a gun that will be useful in S.H.T.F. situations, like arabo-negro-commie-nazi zombie attack.   

What I am thinking is that Jews should relocate in city or town where they have more rights and freedom.  This is a dangerous time and Jews should be purchasing as many high-powered firearms as possible and fortifying their dwellings.  Hanging out in liberal mecca of NYC or San Fran is only likely to get the Jewish people killed, like we saw when they congregated in the crowded areas of Germany or their ghettoes in Russia.  Back then Jews did not have a choice, but today you have the choice and the rights, take advantage of it, before its too late!

Just think of how defenseless your families and friends are.  Jews need to setup their synagogues and communities in place where they have all their constitutional rights and G-d given freedoms.   

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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2009, 02:08:30 AM »
Amen I couldn't agree more. New York City is not a place for Jews. I asked my Rabbi what is with the Jewish obsession with New York and he said where else can you get great Kosher Pizza. I think that sums it up they have all they need so why move. Let me tell you what I think about that Bill Deal. Jews would have so much more if they just got up and moved to Israel not to mention all the more Religous Jews that would be helping the next generation of Israelis. Israel is the place for Jews. And even more so then that New York is not a place for Jews.
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2009, 05:31:30 AM »
Amen I couldn't agree more. New York City is not a place for Jews. I asked my Rabbi what is with the Jewish obsession with New York and he said where else can you get great Kosher Pizza. I think that sums it up they have all they need so why move. Let me tell you what I think about that Bill Deal. Jews would have so much more if they just got up and moved to Israel not to mention all the more Religous Jews that would be helping the next generation of Israelis. Israel is the place for Jews. And even more so then that New York is not a place for Jews.

Well, something that really scares me a bit is that this an often heard comment of Nazis saying "The Jews have their own land in Israel, so why don't they get out of here and move to Israel?"
I think it is an individual feeling. I feel very close-tied to Israel. But nevertheless, I feel at home where I was born and where I grew up. My family, friends, job etc. are here in Germany. In a case of new persecution I wouldn't hesitate a second to leave to Israel. But I think a place for Jews is everywhere. G*d gave the Jews the World, so they should also be able to settle throughout the world and not limit to Israel.  :)

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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2009, 11:51:21 PM »
Perhaps I spoke to soon, but funny how a few days before the event, my words have come to life:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131474

Looks like some raghead scum are banking on the large number of unarmed and defenseless Jews in New York to unleash another bloodbath.   I am really praying to G-d that people will heed the warning I am giving and that Jews will get out of this place and take up arms and tell the local government to backoff.   I have bad feeling we will be seeing more and more of these plots to attack innocent Jewish people in New York and sooner or later the feds are going to miss it.   All I know is if these ragheads blow up a synagogue that JEws and Christians better mobilize and burn down their mosques, relentlessly.  We will send all their bloodthirsty followers to hell.   These pigs thrive off the good will of the Jewish and CHristian people and stab us in the back while we are not looking.  IF they start to see their own children's face splattered all over the sidewalk, maybe they will wake up and realize almighty al-lah is a coward like his little subjects.

Seeing that the population of muslim rodents is breeding alarmingly fast, since most of their women are simply brainless breeding machines, the number of muslims in inner cities in USA, will soon be approaching that of Europe.  The Jews in these areas are very vulnerable and due to laws against racism, degradation, defamation, etc, muslims have been given special status and have been immune to many activities that people of other races are not.   Jews are very vulnerable and are usually heavily persecuted when it comes to race related issues, especially against blacks and muslims.

This is my feeling:
All synagogues need to be fortified and well guarded.  Synagogues should be equiped with mounted .50 caliber guns, as well as other caliber long range guns at various points.  These stations should be manned by guards or other members who have military or rifle training.   

All synagogues need to have armed bodyguards and preferably 25% of members should carry a concealed firearm with them. 

Any people of middle eastern or black descent should be investigated and question in the perimeter.  A polite explanation of the situation should resolve any hard feeligns that a decent person would have in regards to questioning. 

All Jewish homes should be equipped with AR-10s, AR-15s, AK-47s and semi automatic shotguns, such as a Saiga 12.   A good supply of defense ballistic tip ammo , like Hornady, Black Hills, etc is essential in a combat scenario to prevent overpenetartion shold a close quarter combat situation arise.

A heavily fortified basement with vault doors is also important for weapon storage and can be used as a safe area to retreat for women and children and others who need protection but cannot flee the premises.   

All people who enter synagogue need some type of identification and should be checked and frisked immediately if they are unknown.  Any outsider who has not received clearance should be admitted as a guest and have background check.

Parking lots and all cars should be examined frequently.  Hidden Security cameras should be placed in unspecificed locations around the premises.


Seeing how the world is becoming, I am sad to say, these are measures people will need to take if we will stay alive in this world that kisses the donkey of muslims and negro savages.   I am thankful to G-d, that nobody got hurt this time, but do you think these islamic savages are not going to attempt more destruction against Jews and Christians?


Also, don't be afraid to call up your local mosques and tell them that your synagogue and members are heavily armed.  Don't be afraid to tell them that you are not afraid to seek revenge and meet them with very harsh measures if any members of your synagogue are harmed.  Show them your teeth, because you are dealing with hyenas here, not lions.  These cowardly dogs will run when they see you growl.  THe problem is American Jews are seen like Hindus, to be pacifists who will not fight back and will only apologize to muslims if they are harmed; the self-hating perpetrator mentality.   Tell your local cleric, imam that you are prepared to defend the life of your people and that you will hold the local mosques responsible for what ever blood is shed in your neighborhood.  Tell them that if Jewish children cannot be safe, nor will muslim children! 
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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2009, 12:36:17 AM »
MountainMan,

I have one question for you... Are you Jewish? If so then very good, but if not, please explain why you are so concerned about this subject. I am interested in your reply.

Thank you,

PS: I don't think synagogues should be fortified. Unless there is a treat against it I don't think these measures are wise.
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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2009, 05:13:32 PM »
Well, something that really scares me a bit is that this an often heard comment of Nazis saying "The Jews have their own land in Israel, so why don't they get out of here and move to Israel?"
I think it is an individual feeling. I feel very close-tied to Israel. But nevertheless, I feel at home where I was born and where I grew up. My family, friends, job etc. are here in Germany. In a case of new persecution I wouldn't hesitate a second to leave to Israel. But I think a place for Jews is everywhere. G*d gave the Jews the World, so they should also be able to settle throughout the world and not limit to Israel.  :)

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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2009, 05:44:30 PM »
MountainMan,

I have one question for you... Are you Jewish? If so then very good, but if not, please explain why you are so concerned about this subject. I am interested in your reply.

Thank you,

PS: I don't think synagogues should be fortified. Unless there is a treat against it I don't think these measures are wise.


I am a supporter of Israel and the JEwish people.  Is it wrong to be concerned about G-d's Chosen People?  Why should I not be concerned.  I don't even know why you would ask why I am concerned about Jews and Israel.  Why do you think I would join a Pro-Zionist website, if I did not care about Jewish people.  Yes, I do have Jewish ancestory, as well, but I am not a practicing Jew; however, I am a devoted Zionist.

Can you explain why you think the synagogues should not be fortified?  Why is it unwise for Jews to defend themselves?  This was the same mentality of Jews in Europe, before they were all shipped off to concentration camps to be exterminated.   I think you should reconsider.

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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2009, 06:31:26 PM »
MountainMan,

I have one question for you... Are you Jewish? If so then very good, but if not, please explain why you are so concerned about this subject. I am interested in your reply.

Thank you,

PS: I don't think synagogues should be fortified. Unless there is a treat against it I don't think these measures are wise.


I am a supporter of Israel and the JEwish people.  Is it wrong to be concerned about G-d's Chosen People?  Why should I not be concerned.  I don't even know why you would ask why I am concerned about Jews and Israel.  Why do you think I would join a Pro-Zionist website, if I did not care about Jewish people.  Yes, I do have Jewish ancestory, as well, but I am not a practicing Jew; however, I am a devoted Zionist.

Can you explain why you think the synagogues should not be fortified?  Why is it unwise for Jews to defend themselves?  This was the same mentality of Jews in Europe, before they were all shipped off to concentration camps to be exterminated.   I think you should reconsider.

Only if there is a fear that the Synagogue will be attacked should security be increased. Synagogue is not like a mosque where arms are to be stockpiled. There is also the issue of having guns on Shabbat. I am fully for defending Jews, and in my minyan we have a member who is a SWAT officer who carries his gun. I have been Davening at shul for many years now and have never seen a single incident of antisemitism. I would certainly be disinclined to go to a shul with the measures you mention, having to produce identity papers, etc... Our shul is open to each and every Jew in the community and it would be shaming a Jew to have to question his Jewishness.

The reason I question your motivation is that it seems that many 'other' groups stand to gain by stoking the flames between Jews and Blacks, and Islam. I am a Jew who questions the reason non-Jews take interest in Jewish concerns because they may have alterior motives, like the Catholic church, etc. Of course we welcome any person who wants Jews to reside in Israel as Hashem has willed it to be. But sometimes non-Jews don't understand why we are the way we are.

I have lived in peace and thank Hashem for the continued peace which my congregation and I have had. I see no reason now to change our security procedures. It is up to the synagogue to assess the threat and make appropriate measures to protect the people.

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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2009, 09:32:28 PM »
Thanks for the warning.  I have a blog, and not ONE day goes by that I dont have a murderer on my Blog.  But the problem is, it is usually a neo-Nazi, white power, KKK, S.F.er, etc.. The thing that is scary to me, is that they have aligned themselves up with Muslims, and seek to kill all Jews, and they are bold about this.

  IF they want to hurt ME, my family, friends, etc- they better be prepared to die a horrible death, b/c I wont stop until they are dead, and I will go to jail, and I dont give a damn.
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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2009, 12:23:35 AM »
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Only if there is a fear that the Synagogue will be attacked should security be increased. Synagogue is not like a mosque where arms are to be stockpiled.
If yesterday's news article doesn't convince you that any and every synaoguge is at risk of attack, I guess nothing will convince you.  I suppose with this philosophy you are more or less saying, we better wait until the bombs go off and bodies start flying before we set up out defenses.  Do you really think terrorists will announce themselves before they commit their atrocious acts?


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There is also the issue of having guns on Shabbat.
So, was the Yom Kippur War a mistake?  If I am not mistaken, the Jews in Israel also use guns, military equipment , electronics, jets, etc on the shabbat.  Should they stop doing all this and lower all their defenses since, for some reason, you think it goes against Shabbat?

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I am fully for defending Jews, and in my minyan we have a member who is a SWAT officer who carries his gun.
Good for him!  Mazel Tov!  Now, I hope he can help train and help pick out the proper firearms for the other members of your shul.  WHy?  Cause one guy with a gun really is a tough battle against a team of well-trained ragheaded or negro terrorists.

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I have been Davening at shul for many years now and have never seen a single incident of antisemitism. I would certainly be disinclined to go to a shul with the measures you mention, having to produce identity papers, etc... Our shul is open to each and every Jew in the community and it would be shaming a Jew to have to question his Jewishness.

This is not about shaming Jews, this is about protecting Jews. I am sorry you don't like it, but you live in a country that has more muslims than Jews.  This country even has a muslim president.  You are not in Israel, and even in Israel, a lot of these measures are being taken in many areas, including some places of worship.  This is not 500 years ago; you have to understand you are in the 21st century and we are being threatened continually.  Yeah, i know its not ideal and its unfortunate, but if the life of your wife and children are on the line, would you not want to take measure to protect them?  I wonder what the people at the Riverdale synagogue think about bringing their children to pray now?  Perhaps you will wonder if the one middle eastern guy praying next to you is a genuine JEw or perhaps has a bomb under his shirt getting ready for eternity of dirty sex with his virgins.   There needs to be something done.  In a small little shul you will not have to worry so much about it.  But at a large Jewish center, there should be some type of identification system and strangers should not be allowed around the perimeters without some type of escort from members, etc. 

I am throwing out ideas, but you can use your imagination.


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The reason I question your motivation is that it seems that many 'other' groups stand to gain by stoking the flames between Jews and Blacks, and Islam. I am a Jew who questions the reason non-Jews take interest in Jewish concerns because they may have alterior motives, like the Catholic church, etc. Of course we welcome any person who wants Jews to reside in Israel as Hashem has willed it to be. But sometimes non-Jews don't understand why we are the way we are.
Well, as a Jew, I don't blame you for being paranoid or questioning motives.  You can be sure mine are 100% genuine and I love Jewish people and Israel.  I am not a catholic and don't care for them, nor do I care for any of these bleeding heart liberals who claim to promote coexistance and Jewish rights.  I am 100% Zionist and I am willing to fight and die for Jewish people.  Why did Schindler in Schindler's List put his life on the line saving Jews?  He coudl have lived an easy life.  This guy was a german, he had not a drop of Jewish blood, yet risked it all, because he was sick of injustice of his people.  I am sick of the injustices against Jewish people and the bullying done by muslims, blacks and even latinos against white and Jewish society.  I am tired of it!  Thats why I care.. And, I do care very very much!  I won't let Jewish blood run down the Hudson, I know it will be time to fight and fight hard, even if Obama and the ragheads put a bullet in my skull.


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I have lived in peace and thank Hashem for the continued peace which my congregation and I have had. I see no reason now to change our security procedures. It is up to the synagogue to assess the threat and make appropriate measures to protect the people.

I bet you would not be talking like this had the terrorists succeeded in their mission yesterday.  You would not be speaking like this.  This is the naivete that is plaguing both Jewish and CHristians in USA.  We always claim we are safe and we are doing all we can.  This home grown terror will grow and grow and will become more virulent.  These scumbags have inspired jihadists for generations to come.  The arabs in this country hate Jews with a bloody passion and many have no other dream in lif but to crush skull of a Jewish child.  I tell you, you better arm up and get ready, because these bastards are comin for you children!!   We neeed to be vigiliant and show these raghead pigs we can kick their arsses.  We can do it.  5 Armed and trained religious Jews are worth 1000 raghead warriors.   

Peace is short-lived in this demonic world run by the most unscrupulous and selfish creatures.  These thugs don't care about your babies.   DOn't depend on the police, army or anyone else to save you when they start massacring Jews.  Yesterday was almost another 9/11, this time a strictly Jewish 9/11.

Think about that!



Thanks for the warning.  I have a blog, and not ONE day goes by that I dont have a murderer on my Blog.  But the problem is, it is usually a neo-Nazi, white power, KKK, S.F.er, etc.. The thing that is scary to me, is that they have aligned themselves up with Muslims, and seek to kill all Jews, and they are bold about this.

  IF they want to hurt ME, my family, friends, etc- they better be prepared to die a horrible death, b/c I wont stop until they are dead, and I will go to jail, and I dont give a damn.

Amen Dina.  You got it right there!  If every Jew had your attitude, these stone kissing camel brained thugs would have never tried to pull off what they did yesterday.  Had Jews had this attitude, the Palestinians and the rest of the arab world would be kissing and licking your feet.  These troublemakers only thrive because the rest of the world is too naive, stupid and cowardly to face them.  Problem is there is too much self-hatred, politeness and lack of concern, so the arab/muslim menace continues unimpeded.
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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2009, 07:14:08 AM »
Mountainman I understand your post and the sentiment, but if you guys start moving out what does that show these bastards.. It shows them as soon as they put a bit of pressure on you, you go. What happens then, well in essence they've won.

You guys move to another area then it all starts again, you move, they rejoice they've won once again..

Meh you got to take the fight to these gutless bastards they are nothing but bullies.. Bullies need to be put in their place. Take the war to them, strike them down..

It's persecution all over again..  Run now and you spit in the face of your forefathers who suffered under the Nazis and the people who gave their lives to protect the future generations..

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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2009, 07:22:54 AM »
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I'm not a Jew but I myself feel drawn to Israel I don't know why but even as a child i've always had that feeling..

We have a large Jewish community here in Melbourne, Caulfield. The place is very nice. Clean, well kept and overall a beautiful place. The Jewish community  are well respected and have never caused any trouble whatsoever. I suppose it helps that they are surrounded by white Australians and the Muslim filth have been dumped over in the Nth Western suburbs of Melbourne..

These people still call themselves Jewish but have embraced Australia as their own, they support the country they live and at the end of the day that's pretty much what Australians expect..

Like i've added before if it starts getting too hot elsewhere there's a large Jewish community and many sympathetic Australians here that would embrace you..

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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2009, 02:08:46 PM »
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IF they want to hurt ME, my family, friends, etc- they better be prepared to die a horrible death, b/c I wont stop until they are dead, and I will go to jail, and I dont give a damn.

I would do the same! I would behead them.

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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2009, 10:33:05 AM »
I am a Jew who questions the reason non-Jews take interest in Jewish concerns because they may have alterior motives, like the Catholic church, etc. Of course we welcome any person who wants Jews to reside in Israel as Hashem has willed it to be. But sometimes non-Jews don't understand why we are the way we are.

I think for me, as a gentile, that I've been sometimes drawn to Jews and Jewish things out of anti-semitism, usually an anti-semitism based in fear, envy and jealousy. (Is there a difference between jealousy and envy?) I think it's an inferiority complex as well. I just wanted to lay that out here, a bit of honesty. Strangely though it's not the religious Jews, for me, that I've been in awe of, but the brilliant secular ones, like artists and scientists. This has made me think that if more Jews were religious, there would be less anti-semitism. But then why is it my concern?

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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2009, 09:18:22 AM »
I am a Jew who questions the reason non-Jews take interest in Jewish concerns because they may have alterior motives, like the Catholic church, etc. Of course we welcome any person who wants Jews to reside in Israel as Hashem has willed it to be. But sometimes non-Jews don't understand why we are the way we are.

I think for me, as a gentile, that I've been sometimes drawn to Jews and Jewish things out of anti-semitism, usually an anti-semitism based in fear, envy and jealousy. (Is there a difference between jealousy and envy?) I think it's an inferiority complex as well. I just wanted to lay that out here, a bit of honesty. Strangely though it's not the religious Jews, for me, that I've been in awe of, but the brilliant secular ones, like artists and scientists. This has made me think that if more Jews were religious, there would be less anti-semitism. But then why is it my concern?

Its the 'chosen' thing that gets to you.  Well, God chose Jews to bring LAW.  LAW is LIFE.  We didnt 'choose/chose' ourselves. God is funny in some ways..b/c he uses really foolish things to confound wisdom.  The Jewish people are small in this world, Israel is TINY.  The whole thing was not up to us. He did it. 

But he also has chosen to bless those who bring blessings TO US.  So that means that you are JUST AS BLESSED.  And the very fact that you are here, YOU WILL BE BLESSED. BIGTIME.  Matter of FACT, I pray that BECAUSE YOU have CHOSEN to be here, that God will enrich your life and BLESS you 10 fold. 

Shalom friend, and THANK YOU for your support.

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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2009, 03:15:32 PM »
Not to mention that NYC is primary targer for muzie terrorists, who're on the werge of obtaining Nuclear weapons via Iran thanks to UNs inaction. Unlike Israel New York has no divine protection and tempting two milion Jewish diaspora. Jews who're aften blind and deaf to reality unlike Israelis. 
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11 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. Peace, peace, they say, when there is no peace.

12 Are they ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD.

13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

14 Why are we sitting here? Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities and perish there! For the LORD our God has doomed us to perish and given us poisoned water to drink, because we have sinned against him.

15 We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there was only terror.

16 The snorting of the enemy's horses is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallions the whole land trembles. They have come to devour the land and everything in it, the city and all who live there.

17 See, I will send venomous snakes among you, vipers that cannot be charmed, and they will bite you, declares the LORD.

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I am a Jew who questions the reason non-Jews take interest in Jewish concerns because they may have alterior motives, like the Catholic church, etc. Of course we welcome any person who wants Jews to reside in Israel as Hashem has willed it to be. But sometimes non-Jews don't understand why we are the way we are.

I think for me, as a gentile, that I've been sometimes drawn to Jews and Jewish things out of anti-semitism, usually an anti-semitism based in fear, envy and jealousy. (Is there a difference between jealousy and envy?) I think it's an inferiority complex as well. I just wanted to lay that out here, a bit of honesty. Strangely though it's not the religious Jews, for me, that I've been in awe of, but the brilliant secular ones, like artists and scientists. This has made me think that if more Jews were religious, there would be less anti-semitism. But then why is it my concern?

Pardon me for make this comment, but I do think you should review Jewish history a bit my friend.  Religious Jews have been oppressed across the globe long before there was such as thing as a "secular Jew".  I don't know if you have done any research about the lives of religious Jews in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Turkey and various countries around the middle east.  Study about pogroms, witch hunts, blood libels, and genocides.  Many Jews were murdered simply because they choose to stay Jewish and not convert to Christianity, Islam or any other religion being enforced in the nations they resided at the time.  If you read the bible and do some historical research you will see Jews had their temple destroyed in Jerusalem by the Romans and were made to flee their land into diaspora.    Of course, the success, intelligence and diligence of JEws has made them despised.  But the main reason Jews are hated is that the bible says they are CHOSEN and that the other nations will sooner or later have to submit to the authority of Israel.  The reason why secular Jews may be despised, is even whether or not they separate from Israel, their noble works are seen as proving the very theory of new everlasting kingdom of ZIon that will be supreme on the earth.

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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2009, 04:42:36 AM »
I am a Jew who questions the reason non-Jews take interest in Jewish concerns because they may have alterior motives, like the Catholic church, etc. Of course we welcome any person who wants Jews to reside in Israel as Hashem has willed it to be. But sometimes non-Jews don't understand why we are the way we are.

I think for me, as a gentile, that I've been sometimes drawn to Jews and Jewish things out of anti-semitism, usually an anti-semitism based in fear, envy and jealousy. (Is there a difference between jealousy and envy?) I think it's an inferiority complex as well. I just wanted to lay that out here, a bit of honesty. Strangely though it's not the religious Jews, for me, that I've been in awe of, but the brilliant secular ones, like artists and scientists. This has made me think that if more Jews were religious, there would be less anti-semitism. But then why is it my concern?

Pardon me for make this comment, but I do think you should review Jewish history a bit my friend.  Religious Jews have been oppressed across the globe long before there was such as thing as a "secular Jew".  I don't know if you have done any research about the lives of religious Jews in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Turkey and various countries around the middle east.  Study about pogroms, witch hunts, blood libels, and genocides.  Many Jews were murdered simply because they choose to stay Jewish and not convert to Christianity, Islam or any other religion being enforced in the nations they resided at the time.  If you read the bible and do some historical research you will see Jews had their temple destroyed in Jerusalem by the Romans and were made to flee their land into diaspora.    Of course, the success, intelligence and diligence of JEws has made them despised.  But the main reason Jews are hated is that the bible says they are CHOSEN and that the other nations will sooner or later have to submit to the authority of Israel.  The reason why secular Jews may be despised, is even whether or not they separate from Israel, their noble works are seen as proving the very theory of new everlasting kingdom of ZIon that will be supreme on the earth.


Yes. I know all of that. I think, for me, "the other nations will sooner or later have to submit to the authority of Israel. " is the scariest aspect. But I don't mean that in an antisemitic way. More from guilt-feelings of wrongdoings in the past, and wondering how many people will be put to the sword.

I certainly haven't despised secular Jews -- it's the opposite.

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Its the 'chosen' thing that gets to you.

I don't know. That's not how I approached it years ago. I was just dazzled by certain artists, creative people and noticed several of them were Jewish.

I think my trouble has actually been more that I've idolized certain Jews. That's what I meant about religious Jews -- I haven't idolized those.

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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2009, 04:54:14 AM »
Pardon me for make this comment, but I do think you should review Jewish history a bit my friend.  Religious Jews have been oppressed across the globe long before there was such as thing as a "secular Jew". 

Sorry, you're right. I forgot about that.

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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2009, 03:41:41 PM »
We should build communities in rural America. Freedom to own guns and plenty of inexpensive land. It's only a matter of time before our people are attacked again. Next time we will be ready. Teach your children safe weapon handling from an early age. Train your body as hard as you do your mind.

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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2009, 04:39:28 AM »
+1 To Vlad.. Good advice.. Exactly what I had in mine.   ;D

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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2009, 12:58:01 AM »
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I'm not a Jew but I myself feel drawn to Israel I don't know why but even as a child i've always had that feeling..

We have a large Jewish community here in Melbourne, Caulfield. The place is very nice. Clean, well kept and overall a beautiful place. The Jewish community  are well respected and have never caused any trouble whatsoever. I suppose it helps that they are surrounded by white Australians and the Muslim filth have been dumped over in the Nth Western suburbs of Melbourne..

These people still call themselves Jewish but have embraced Australia as their own, they support the country they live and at the end of the day that's pretty much what Australians expect..

Like i've added before if it starts getting too hot elsewhere there's a large Jewish community and many sympathetic Australians here that would embrace you..

Australia is one of the small number of countries where I would consider to live if not my own countries.  8)

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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2009, 01:34:34 AM »
When I worked at a Jewish Community Center (front desk) I was told if any cars parked out in front (by the front doors) (it was a NO PARKING zone) to have them towed away immediately.

IT WAS A SECURITY ISSUE...

I had to do it once, even gave them a warning on the intercom first...they were upset with me but I was trying to protect the people in the building, etc.
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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2009, 08:59:52 AM »
New York is a very dangerous place
In the States of Ny NJ there are more Jews as in Israel
If terrorist jihadists get the bomb
Big Apple will be the first target

Germany is now one of the best places for Jews to live in
Many ashkenasi Jews have their historical roots in Germany
Due to the terroristic and totaltarian Hitler regime,
which tortured and Killed Jews and german opponents
Germany is one of the Countries whith the lowest
Amountv of antijudaism

The Jewish Community in Germany ist the fastest growing
worldwide

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Re: Why Jews Should Leave New York City
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2009, 09:14:17 AM »
New York is a very dangerous place
In the States of Ny NJ there are more Jews as in Israel
If terrorist jihadists get the bomb
Big Apple will be the first target

Germany is now one of the best places for Jews to live in
Many ashkenasi Jews have their historical roots in Germany
Due to the terroristic and totaltarian Hitler regime,
which tortured and Killed Jews and german opponents
Germany is one of the Countries whith the lowest
Amountv of antijudaism

The Jewish Community in Germany ist the fastest growing
worldwide

Thank you Hermann that you care about the Jews but I have to disagree with you. The only appropriate place for the Jews is Israel. I hope that all the Jews will finally move to Israel, including the Jews from Germany.

Peace and prosperity to Deutchland.

P.S. Despite the fact that Ashkenazi (Ashkenaz - old Hebrew word for Germany) Jews lived in Germany for several centuries, their historical roots are in the Land of Israel.
Do not put your trust in princes, nor in a son of man, in whom there is no help (Psalms 146:3)