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msd:
Jews don't believe Jesus is the Messiah because he didn't fulfill all of the prophecies, or some say, any of them. However Christians believe he will fulfill them when he comes back.

More deeply, however, is the problem that Christians see Jesus as G-d, whereas Jews see G-d as formless and without a body. In Numbers it says that G-d isn't a man, and the references to G-d's hands and other body parts is taken as metaphorical.

I don't know whether Jews look down on bastards (people without a father), but they do look at Jesus as this, in the technical non-derogatory sense of the word. That is, he had a father of some kind, but the father didn't stay with the family, or wasn't Joseph and didn't marry Mary, therefore he is a bastard. "the illegitimate offspring of unmarried parents" But that rabbi may have meant it in a derogatory way; who knows, I'd have to see the clip.

Other Jews are skeptical that Jesus even lived. They wonder if the Gospel stories are just made up because they seem fantastic. I'm not sure why they would find them any more fantastic than the stories in The Tanach, though.

I think Jesus was a good man, but not G-d. He taught well, if we go by the gist of what he said. He was called rabbi by some of his followers. It's hard to argue with most of what he said because it was good, but a lot of what became the religion of Christianity is anathema to Judaism. Much of this originates with Paul and his epistles.


Edit to that last part that I struck through: I don't know that Jesus taught from God or was very righteous. He seemed to be a mentally ill person, with a fascinating philosophy and way of teaching, but not necessarily good, and not very Jewish -- certainly he was distinguished from the Pharisees, and modern Jews descend from those.

Moshe92:
Was it Rabbi Mordechai Friedman?

Moshe92:
Jesus is irrelevant in Judaism except for when Christians try to convert Jews or persecute Jews because they "killed Jesus" or because they don't believe in Jesus.

muppet:
Moshe I don't know who it was. I was listening to him then when he exploded I kind of lost perspective of the clip.

I will however endeavor  to try and find this clip tonight when I come home from work.

MSD after reading the bible, yes I grew up with it as a child but only recently have taken it upon myself to thoroughly read it.

But the one thing that strikes me in the bible and that doesn't make sense.. If Jesus wasn't all that he was cracked up to be why did his Disciples and followers follow him to their deaths?

If he wasn't true and what he did wasn't true wouldn't it of been easier for others to save their own backsides, denounce him and live prosperous lives?

To me if a person is willing to forsake their own lives suffer much brutality and torture then there 'HAS' to be substance. It just doesn't make sense otherwise.

The other take is that if it wasn't for Jesus then today there would be Judaism, Paganism and the other Paganism (Islam). There probably wouldn't be any Jews left because the West as we know it would either be Pagan believers or Islamic (Pagan) believers.

Another HUGE downside to no Jesus would be why would Pagans feel a sense of responsibility or feeling to take in or seek justice for the wrongdoings against Jews.

The more I study about Jesus the more I see the overall importance of him coming into the World.

The more I seek him the more I respect and absolutely revere him.

I will try my hardest to find this clip tonight. Take care all I do appreciate your replies.

muman613:
I definately believe he is not Moshiach, nor is he G-d... He was a misguided individual who lead many, many astray. His 'religion' is the religion of Essau, the enemy of the Jewish people.
But there are good Christians who support Israel... I don't like evangelicals because they are out to convert Jews... I just with the entire religion would go away because there is much proof that he was not the messiah nor was he a man-god {which is heresy in Jewish religion}

Im sorry if this is not the answer you want to hear...

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