I disagree with all of you...
I applaud bibis speech. It took a lot of strength to get up there and put the UN in its place. He shamed them and showed them how unfair the UN is, while standing in the UN general assembly. I saw the speech and still think he did an A+ job. Everyone, including the middle-center Jews at my YK services all agreed it was an excellent speech. I am ashamed that I am associated with a group of people who are so negative.
Bibis speech was exceptional and will go down in history as the first time a Jewish leader stood up for his own people, against evil the likes of which the world has not seen for over 60 years... He deserves a medal...
Shame on all who don't see the good of what Bibi did. My rabbi told a story about how the Lubavitch Rabbi had a meeting with Bibi over 30 years ago at 770 just before his Vort...The Rebbe gave him advice about how to be a Jew in the UN and pointed out the evil which the UN represents. I believe {according to my Rabbis story who was there at the time} that Bibi mentioned his meeting with the Rebbe.
Listen Muman, I also like Bibi (a little bit), and I think in some ways he did a great thing, and he also is less of a selfhating Jew than others we've seen, no question. And not everything he says or does is wrong. He's generally a proud Israeli Jew.
But come on, he's no Begin. And even if he was, he makes a serious mistake by agreeing to the concept of a Fakestinian state. And as great as begin was, he also made critical errors as PM, and it's okay to criticize for him even while acknowledging his overall greatness as a man. And yet bibi doesn't even come close to Begin!
If he really had convictions against the Fakestinian state, he could say no. Just as he is proving by pointing out UN hypocrisy, pointing the finger at Iran, stating Jewish rights to areas of land in Eretz Yisrael... he does those things well, and many other Jewish leaders wouldn't dare. And look, people respect him for it and applaud. He could just as easily extend it to the Fakestinian state concept but he chooses not to because he does not have enough conviction for that. Or he doesn't care. Or he is in for the money. Whatever the reason. He could defy in that regard too, but he makes an active choice not to. It is wrong in every way and anti-Kahanist in every way.
This 'demilitarized pa state' will never occur... It is a condition which the opponent will never accept.
That's part of the problem. Because it won't be a demilitarized state, it will be a regular one. It's a "demand" right now, but bibi has made it the Jewish 'starting position.' You must realize muman, how negotiations work. As past precedent shows us, the Jewish starting position is negotiated, and erodes to something more of a compromise, while the Arab position never changes. So Bibi is giving them that first step by committing to a state. They will eventually finagle their way to a regular state, which the rest of the world will say we cannot deny them, and either bibi or some future leaders will cave in with that. They will say 'how can you demand them to be demilitarized? They have a right to defend themselves. No state works demilitarized" - it's what they will say, and Bibi or someone else will cave.
Bibi made a historic mistake with his groundmaking decision to endorse officially the concept of a Fakestinian state. No Likud leader did such a selfhating thing in the UN before. Sharon was the first so-called rightist to state his approval or openness to the idea. But no one made such a bold pronouncement of national policy like Bibi did. This is atrocious.
They also will never accept a Jewish state in the middle east...
So? That doesn't mean we should give them the first steps to eliminating it, G-d forbid.
The fact that he stands up against Iran and Venezuela and Libya is monumental and should be applauded.
Alright, but that doesn't excuse other mistakes he might make.
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