Chaim Ben Pesach Explains Why Recognition of Kosovo endangers Israel & America!

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JTF Chairman Chaim Ben Pesach Explains Why Recognition of Kosovo endangers Israel, Europe & America!


The illegal declaration by Albanian Muslim terrorists that Kosovo-Metohija is now an independent Islamic state endangers Israel's survival!

Suicidal Western nations, including the United States, are demanding that Kosovo become an independent Muslim terrorist state in the middle of Europe. This insane attempt to appease the Muslim terrorist world will lead to catastrophe for America and Western civilization.

Kosovo has always been a historic part of Serbia. The heroic Serb Christians, who are our true friends and allies, must continue to have sovereign control over Kosovo.

Creating an independent Albanian Muslim terrorist state in Kosovo endangers America, Europe, Israel and the whole Western world.

The new dictator of this independent Islamic terrorist state is a drug-dealing Albanian mass murderer.

Kosovo has always been and will always be part of Serbia.

We must help the heroic Serb Christians take back their sacred homeland.


G-d Bless Chaim and G-d Bless the Heroic Serbs!!

[SerbChicago]

Thank G-d for Mr.Chaim...

[TruthSpreader]

Kosovo belongs to the Serbs. Bring it back!

[Serbian_Radical_Party]

It all depends from which perspective your are considering this case.
This forum belongs to patriotic Jews who understand that Serbs are not a danger to Europe and the world. Its logic that you support Serbia, because you live in countries where members of national minorities are present. The UN recognition of the state of the Albanian national minority can cause a chain reaction in other UN countries, because they all have national minorities living on their territory. 
The only nation who is conserned about this is Russia! The US does not care that its international, political actions can endanger the future of the worlds civilization.
This also confirms the fact that it is very important that Russia becomes again a world superpower, because the future of the world relies also on the actions of Russia. To a certain degree the future of the European nations lies in the hands of Russia.

If you consider this case from the American/ Western geopolitical perspective than you will conclude that the separation of Kosovo of Serbia will benefit the American geopolitical interests.
It is a fact that Western nations still consider the Russian federation as a threat and main competitor. There is no doubt about that. Western nations including the US have very hostile intentions towards Russia. In order to weaken the geopolitical influence of Russia, Russia’s ally nations (Serbs) must first be targeted.
The NATO-pact needed to launch its forces on Kosovo in order to control the Balkans and especially Republic of Serbia, who is considered as a serious threat by the EU and NATO nations. Serbia is the ally of Russia on the Balkans.

The pro-Muslim attitude of the US on the Balkans, can easily be explained.
The US is not helping Muslims of the Balkans because the so called care about them. In fact the US is using them and placing them in a dangerous position.
It is well known that the US occupied two Islamic states Iraq and Afghanistan.
Due this American foreign policy and the gulf wars the popularity of the US reduced among Arab nations. Te US wanted to gain more ‘popularity’ among Arab countries, Yugoslavia was the opportunity to realize this intention. In Yugoslavia the US and the European nations caused civil wars by arming and supporting the Croatian, Bosnian Muslim and Albanian separatists. This became an opportunity to weaken Serbia
[a Russian ally] and to give Serbian land to Muslims in order to gain ‘popularity’ with the Islamic community.

[Spectator]

It all depends from which perspective your are considering this case.
This forum belongs to patriotic Jews who understand that Serbs are not a danger to Europe and the world. Its logic that you support Serbia, because you live in countries where members of national minorities are present. The UN recognition of the state of the Albanian national minority can cause a chain reaction in other UN countries, because they all have national minorities living on their territory. 
The only nation who is considered about this is Russia! The US does not care that its international, political actions can endanger the future of the worlds civilization.
This also confirms the fact that it is very important that Russia becomes again a world superpower, because the future of the world relies also on the actions of Russia. To a certain degree the future of the European nations lies in the hands of Russia.

If you consider this case from the American/ Western geopolitical perspective than you will conclude that the separation of Kosovo of Serbia will benefit the American geopolitical interests.
It is a fact that Western nations still consider the Russian federation as a threat and main competitor. There is no doubt about that. Western nations including the US have very hostile intentions towards Russia. In order to weaken the geopolitical influence of Russia, Russia’s ally nations (Serbs) must first be targeted.
The NATO-pact needed to launch its forces on Kosovo in order to control the Balkans and especially Republic of Serbia, who is considered as a serious threat by the EU and NATO nations. Serbia is the ally of Russia on the Balkans.

The pro-Muslim attitude of the US on the Balkans, can easily be explained.
The US is not helping Muslims of the Balkans because the so called care about them. In fact the US is using them and placing them in a dangerous position.
It is well known that the US occupied two Islamic states Iraq and Afghanistan.
Due this American foreign policy and the gulf wars the popularity of the US reduced among Arab nations. Te US wanted to gain more ‘popularity’ among Arab countries, Yugoslavia was the opportunity to realize this intention. In Yugoslavia the US and the European nations caused civil wars by arming and supporting the Croatian, Bosnian Muslim and Albanian separatists. This became an opportunity to weaken Serbia
[a Russian ally] and to give Serbian land to Muslims in order to gain ‘popularity’ with the Islamic community.

I can agree that in case of Serbia, Russia is right and US/West is wrong.

But you represent Russia/US competition as struggle of good vs evil, and this is certainly not true.

Russia fought bloody wars with Muslims in Afghanistan and Chechnya, and now Russia also supports some Arab or Muslim countries or movements to win their popularity. Russia gives political support to such terrorist organization as Hamas and also helps radical Islamic republic of Iran to develop nuclear weapons. I can understand that it does so to target American influence in Middle East, but such actions certainly endanger the future of world civilization. Also, just as US/West in Kosovo, Russia supported separatist movements in Abkhazia and South Ossetia and placed its troops on souvereign Georgian terrirory.

[Serbian_Radical_Party]

Russia fought bloody wars with Muslims in Afghanistan and Chechnya, and now Russia also supports some Arab or Muslim countries or movements to win their popularity.

Russia was indeed trapped to enter in a military conflict with the Muslims.
The US played this game also in Yugoslavia. In USSR and in Yugoslavia the US replaced communist, loyal Muslims with radical Islamists. Without support coming from US, radical Islam would not have  chance in USSR and Yugoslavia. From the former USSR the radical Islamists spread to whole Middle East and Balkans. These radicals can endanger Serbs and Muslims of the Balkans, just like the can harm the state of Israel and Jews in Middle East. The American support to radical Islamists, during the 80s, contributed to the destabilization of the whole planet including Israel.

To claim that America who funded radical Islamists is an Israeli ally and that Russia who fought against those extremists is against Israel does not make sense to me. 

Russia fought bloody wars with Muslims in Afghanistan and Chechnya, and now Russia also supports some Arab or Muslim countries or movements to win their popularity. Russia gives political support to such terrorist organization as Hamas and also helps radical Islamic republic of Iran to develop nuclear weapons.

It does not sound logic. Why would Russia support Islamic radicals if Russia had problems with them in the past and when its clear that Russia considers them as a potential threat?

Russia is not developing nuclear weapons in Islamic nations. Islamic nations gained nuclear weapons with support of Bill Clinton in 1997. So if someboby has a problem with the fact that Muslims have nuclear bombs, than he should blame America who has a reputation of funding Islamic terror.

Also, just as US/West in Kosovo, Russia supported separatist movements in Abkhazia and South Ossetia and placed its troops on souvereign Georgian terrirory.

I strongly disagree  with this bro  !
After the US and EU recognized Kosovo, international law does not count any longer.
Secondly, Russia avoided ethnic cleansing in Georgia and that is not to be compared with the American affairs on Kosovo. On Kosovo America armed a national minority, caused a civil war, but in Georgia Russia prevented the intent to cleanse the Russian autochthonic inhabits.  Its Russian obligation to prevent genocide.

If you claim that Russian is occupying Georgian territory than other will use this way of thinking to claim that Serbs occupied territory of Republic of Croatian in 1991, when they established Republic of Serbian Krajina, as response to Croatian separation of Yugoslavia.

Russian areas in Georgia are to be compared to Serbian areas [RSK] in Croatia

If you claim Russians in Abkhazia and South Ossetia are separatists, than you can also say Krajina Serbs were separatists in 1991? I know that you do not think like that bro, but others will.

[Spectator]

Russia fought bloody wars with Muslims in Afghanistan and Chechnya, and now Russia also supports some Arab or Muslim countries or movements to win their popularity. Russia gives political support to such terrorist organization as Hamas and also helps radical Islamic republic of Iran to develop nuclear weapons.

It does not sound logic. Why would Russia support Islamic radicals if Russia had problems with them in the past and when its clear that Russia considers them as a potential threat?

This is very logical. Russia supports Islamic radicals who fight against US/West and fights those who fight Russia. Besides, as you said, Russia wants to be a superpower, therefore it tries to regain influence in such a key region as Middle East. If US supports Islamist Saudi Arabia, Russia supports Islamist Iran. If US supports terrorist PLO/Fatah, Russia supports terrorist Hamas. It is a matter of geopolitical interests.

[Serbian_Radical_Party]

I think that Russia does not have choice. Its obviously that America started this game in the 80s. Due this geopolitical game small nations like Serbs and Israeli Jews will become victims.

If Russian ‘supports’ Iran, than its because of America who openly says that I wants to conquer Eurasia. Russian does not want to see US army in Iran because that represents threat to Russian stabilization.
 
I think Russian has the right to defend its national security.

[Spectator]

If you claim that Russian is occupying Georgian territory than other will use this way of thinking to claim that Serbs occupied territory of Republic of Croatian in 1991, when they established Republic of Serbian Krajina, as response to Croatian separation of Yugoslavia.

Russian areas in Georgia are to be compared to Serbian areas [RSK] in Croatia

If you claim Russians in Abkhazia and South Ossetia are separatists, than you can also say Krajina Serbs were separatists in 1991? I know that you do not think like that bro, but others will.

There are no Russian areas in Georgia. There are Abkhazians and Ossetians in Georgia, not Russians.

As for alleged genocide, it is as fake as the claims that Serbs wanted to commit genocide on Albanians in Kosovo.

And the situation in Georgia and Croatia/Krajina is absolutely incomparable. Socialist Croatia was officially a bi-national state of Croats and Serbs whereas Abkhazia and S. Ossetia was autonoumous regions of Georgia.

And just like US didn't care about Kosovo Albanians but cared to target Serbia, Russia didn't care about Abkhazians and Ossetians but cared to target American ally Georgia.

[Serbian_Radical_Party]

There are no Russian areas in Georgia. There are Abkhazians and Ossetians in Georgia, not Russians.

Hehe dear bro..
Russians are natives in Abkhazians and Ossetians and they are to be compared to Serbs in Croatia and Hungary. Abkhazians and Ossetians are historical Russian territories which were annex by communist dictator Stalin to Georgia.

If you agree bro that communists annexed Serbian Krajina to Croatia in 1495, than you should understand that Abkhazians and Ossetians were annexed to Georgia by Stalinists. It does not change that fact that it are Russian historical and national territories. Russians were a constitutional nation within the USSR, just like the Serbs were constitutional nation within S. F. R. Yugoslavia.

As for alleged genocide, it is as fake as the claims that Serbs wanted to commit genocide on Albanians in Kosovo.

This is very, very anti-Russian. Even western media admits that Georgia wanted to conduct aggression on Russian people. Why being more anti-Russian than EU?
But ok I understand that you use American perspective.

I can place your own words in this context. Just see how sombody can interpret your own words bro: 'As for alleged genocide, it is as fake as the claims that Croats wanted to commit genocide on Serbs in Krajina.

This is just like claming that Republic of Serbia did not have the right to stop Croatian genocide on Krajina Serbs in 1995.  Putin is not Milosevic or Yeltsin!
I think that everybody can see now that Georgia started gunfire on Russians and Russians are lucky to not have a Milosevic in charge but Putin! 

[Spectator]

There are no Russian areas in Georgia. There are Abkhazians and Ossetians in Georgia, not Russians.

Hehe dear bro..
Russians are natives in Abkhazians and Ossetians and they are to be compared to Serbs in Croatia and Hungary. Abkhazians and Ossetians are historical Russian territories which were annex by communist dictator Stalin to Georgia.  

Your are misinformed then. Russians are not natives in these regions. The natives are Abkhazians an Ossetians who are ethnically and linguistically much more close to Georgians than to Russians. And there were no even Russian influence in that region until the beginning of 19th century. Please do some independent research. 

[Serbian_Radical_Party]

Well I am not Russian so I do not know everything regarding that conflict.

The Abkhazians an Ossetians are natives of Georgia and their territory was indeed annexed by Stalinists. The Abkhazians an Ossetians are native people who have a right to live, to be pro-Russian and do they not need to be exterminated by some NATO installed puppets.  So Russia is not allowed to protect pro Russian nations like Abkhazians an Ossetians……….and Serbs?

If you support the Georgian policy of terror who wants to harm Abkhazians an Ossetians only because they are pro Russian, than what about the Serbs who are harmed by same NATO forces only because of their connections to Russia!

Independent US propaganda I do not believe. This same ‘independent’ supports NATO puppets [Croatia, Albania and Bosnian Muslims] against Serbs.
Its obviously clear that NATO puppets are aggressive and fascists! We Serbs have experience with them and with the so called independent US propaganda!

[voo-yo]

I don't know the history of that region, so my only interest is whose land it really is? I know Abkhazians and Ossetians are not Russians ethnically, but did they emigrate to Georgia and expel Georgians like Albanians did in Kosovo, or is it their historical land? Did Stalin drew Georgian borders like Tito did in Yugoslavia? If that's the case, I don't know how Georgians could claim that land.

[Serbian_Radical_Party]

I don't know the history of that region, so my only interest is whose land it really

Ey bro..
Sout-Ossetia is annexed to Georgia. You have Northern Ossetia which is Russia.
Just like communist Tito annexed Krajina to Croatia, Stalin annexed South-Ossetia to Georgia.

Before Stalin and the communists Russian Orthodox Tsars ruled with those territories.

[Spectator]

This is very, very anti-Russian. Even western media admits that Georgia wanted to conduct aggression on Russian people. Why being more anti-Russian than EU?
But ok I understand that you use American perspective.

I can place your own words in this context. Just see how sombody can interpret your own words bro: 'As for alleged genocide, it is as fake as the claims that Croats wanted to commit genocide on Serbs in Krajina.

This is just like claming that Republic of Serbia did not have the right to stop Croatian genocide on Krajina Serbs in 1995.  Putin is not Milosevic or Yeltsin!
I think that everybody can see now that Georgia started gunfire on Russians and Russians are lucky to not have a Milosevic in charge but Putin!  

I don't use American perspective. The EU position is rather pro-Russian because, as you correctly said, the fate of Europe is in certain degree at the hands of Russia  EU doesn't want to have problems with Russia because of Georgia.

I am no diplomat and speak about the things as I view them.
I can understand you because you love Russia and take all the words against it personally.

But the fact that I don't support Russian on this particular issue doesn't mean that I am anti-Russian. There are cases when Russia is right, and then I support it. In general, Russia is a great country and must be respected. I only hope it will find the way to regain its superpower status without harming Israel.

[Serbian_Radical_Party]

I don't know the history of that region, so my only interest is whose land it really is? I know Abkhazians and Ossetians are not Russians ethnically, but did they emigrate to Georgia and expel Georgians like Albanians did in Kosovo,

Abkhazians and Ossetians are natives on their territories just like Krajina Serbs in Croatia. Abkhazians and Ossetians are pro-Russian and thats why Georgia wanted to kick them out but Putin is not Milosevic and he stopped genocide.

[voo-yo]

I don't know the history of that region, so my only interest is whose land it really is? I know Abkhazians and Ossetians are not Russians ethnically, but did they emigrate to Georgia and expel Georgians like Albanians did in Kosovo,

Abkhazians and Ossetians are natives on their territories just like Krajina Serbs in Croatia. Abkhazians and Ossetians are pro-Russian and thats why Georgia wanted to kick them out but Putin is not Milosevic and he stopped genocide.

Ok if you've read about this. Anyway, we moved from the subject.

[Serbian_Radical_Party]

I don't use American perspective. The EU position is rather pro-Russian because, as you correctly said, the fate of Europe is in certain degree at the hands of Russia  EU doesn't want to have problems with Russia because of Georgia.

EU postion pro Russian? Thats not true. Come one?
EU is anti-Russian. EU is pro-American. Pro-Russian Europe is not anti-Serb!
That Europe depands on Russia is true, but thats no excuse to claim that Europe is pro-Russian! Maybe in America they believe this; to me this is not logic!  

I do not understand why EU would choose Russian side and not the side of pro-EU Georgia in case Russia was wrong? This is not logic! EU saw that it does not make sence to choose for Georgia because Russia did not start the aggression and because Russia is important factor to Europe. These two factors forced EU to addmit the truth.

[Spectator]

I don't use American perspective. The EU position is rather pro-Russian because, as you correctly said, the fate of Europe is in certain degree at the hands of Russia  EU doesn't want to have problems with Russia because of Georgia.

EU postion pro Russian? Thats not true. Come one?
EU is anti-Russian. EU is pro-American. Pro-Russian Europe is not anti-Serb!
That Europe depands on Russia is true, but thats no excuse to claim that Europe is pro-Russian! Maybe in America they believe this; to me this is not logic!  

EU may be anti-Russian but it is realistic. It understands that Russia is a major power and doesn't want to have problems with Russia in because of a region which has never been in the sphere of European influence. But voo-yo is right, it's out of scope of the topic. The issue s you raised are indeed interesting, and we may discuss them in another thread/section.

[Serbian_Radical_Party]

Ok this is indeed off topic...