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On Shabbat no fire?
SW:
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--- Quote from: German Kahanist on October 30, 2009, 06:16:56 AM ---So if I would do Shabbat it's dangerous for my soul? We Christians have the Sunday.
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I think from a Jewish view even if a gentile is trying to keep Shabbat he must at least do one violation like turning on a light for example.
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That's true... The Jewish laws are a bit harder than the Christian ones. We can turning a light on Sunday.
But if I want to convert I have to start early
Harzel:
--- Quote from: German Kahanist on October 30, 2009, 06:28:07 AM ---
--- Quote from: Zelhar on October 30, 2009, 06:25:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: German Kahanist on October 30, 2009, 06:16:56 AM ---So if I would do Shabbat it's dangerous for my soul? We Christians have the Sunday.
--- End quote ---
I think from a Jewish view even if a gentile is trying to keep Shabbat he must at least do one violation like turning on a light for example.
--- End quote ---
That's true... The Jewish laws are a bit harder than the Christian ones. We can turning a light on Sunday.
But if I want to convert I have to start early
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I think prospective converts get instruction about this thing, but from what I've heard until they are converted they practice observing shabbat but they need to break it once at least.
SW:
That's the problem if you live in a Christian country. I have to work often on Saturdays. So I would break it and I can't say "I am Jewish, I am not allowed to work on Saturday". They would laugh about me.
Raulmarrio2000:
1- Celebrating Shabbat, even doing some rites or commemorations with the intention of Jewish Shabbat is FORBIDDEN to a Gentile and it is a sin. It is taking something holy which was commanded by H" only to Israelites. A prospetctive convert CAN do some Shabbat-like things to practise, but must break it at least once. Any other Gentile MUST NEVER do anything with the intention of even commemorating Shabbat.
A Gentile can take a day free from his job, this is not Sabbat as far as he does not intend to abstain from ritual work (lighting fire, turning on/off the light,carrying objetcs, etc).
A Gentile can choose the Seventh Day as he free day, if he wishes, and can also commemorate the Creation, without the intention of Shabbat. He must not even call this day a Shabbat.
2- Besides the prohibition for a Gentile to do any rest or rite regarding Jewish Shabbat (because it would be a great prophanity, since it is a Signal of the Israelite Covenant and not of the Noahide one), there is another issue:
If a Gentile completes or intends to complete a full Shabbat in the Jewish manner, his life is in danger. In this case it's not only the prophanity of imitating some exclusivley Jewish mitzvah (which would be a sin which could be punished), but also a direct consequence of his fully resigning and renouncing his ability to interact with Nature. In this way the Gentile would cut his identity and enter a spiritual/mental state which may lead to a direct physical harm endargering his life.
However if a Gentile unintentionally happens to keep all the rules of Shabbat, for example he slept all day and didn't break any rule, or he didn't need or feel like doing anything that day, that was not a Shabbat. He is not in danger.
muman613:
Raulmarrio2000,
It would be helpful if you provided references to the Talmud or Scripture which backs up your statements. I believe you are correct because I have found the sources for this. But whenever one makes these kinds of statements it is best to provide sources...
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